Dak, Time to get smart

cern · Jul 12, 2020

DeaconBlues said:
Dak hired Todd France specifically for his reputation to drive hard bargains. The alleged harm of appearing to be self-centered, completely eaten up w/ greed was built in hiring France.

An NFL locker room doesn't care about guy who doesn't care a wit about the team or your teammates or any of that nonsense. They will cheer on Dak not because he isn't signed; most players will hope for the same when it's their turn for a new contract.

The steelers turned against leveon bell and Antonio brown.

Beast_from_East · Jul 12, 2020

Well, three days to go.

Latest info online is that our final offer was $36 million a season and a 5 year contract...………. Dak's camp is fine with $, but deal has to be 4 yrs

The 4 yrs is apparently non-negotiable...………very odd this has not been worked out yet with voidable years or something.

I think there must be some bad blood behind the scenes, this should not be a deal breaker if both sides wanted it...…………..very odd

plasticman · Jul 12, 2020

LOL....in all fairness?

Seriously?

In all fairness, Jerry should have ripped up Dak's contract right after his rookie season and paid him the way you pay a quarterback that started every game while leading your team to a 13-3 season, including an 11 game winning streak, a season in which he had 5 come from behind victories and 5 game winning drives, a season in which he was ranked 3rd in passer rating, 4th in completion percentage, 2nd in least INT's, 4th in yards per attempt, 1st in rushing TD's and 1st in wins.

If you had a chance of signing a veteran free agent and you were confidant that he could deliver those kind of numbers, what would you pay him....in all fairness?

Dak wasn't drafted #1 overall. He didn't get big money as a rookie, based on potential only. He wasn't given half the season to acclimate himself to the NFL game, His coaching staff didn't wait for the "right time" or the "right game" to put him out on the field. He got thrown out on the field day #1.

Never mind the fact that he produced the best rookie season for a quarterback in NFL history, he played better than 29 of the 32 NFL starters that year, seasoned veterans, Pro Bowlers, guys that will get in the HOF.

And how much money did he earn that season? About the same as a 3rd team lineman? About the same as the deep snapper on the team? Was that fair?

Of course not. It wasn't fair. Jerry knew it wasn't fair. What did he do about it? Eventually he paid everyone else drafted that year....except Dak. That's what he did.

And now we want Dak to be smart? Screw smart. Dak's still working on fair.

What has Dak done since his rookie season?

Dak is ranked 3rd in NFL history for a QB's passer rating in their first four seasons in the NFL. Only two QB's have topped him, one is future HOFer Russel Wilson, the other is HOFer Kurt Warner who, "in all fairness" had been accruing experience in the Arena Football league as well as well as NFL Europe for four seasons prior to throwing his first NFL pass.

Dak is ranked 2nd in completion percentage behind Kurt Warner. He is ranked 4th in average yards per attempt, behind three HOFers. He is ranked 2nd in lowest INT percentage. He is in a 2nd place tie with Russel Wilson for game winning drives. He is ranked 3rd in rushing TD's.

Again, I am comparing his first four seasons to the first four seasons of every quarterback in NFL history. Almost all the quarterbacks that even come close were 1st round draft picks and the majority of those were drafted #1 or #2 overall. They got paid before they ever threw their first pass.

So.....in all fairness.....it's time for Jerry Jones to get smart....this time.

PAPPYDOG · Jul 12, 2020

plasticman said:
LOL....in all fairness?

Seriously?

In all fairness, Jerry should have ripped up Dak's contract right after his rookie season and paid him the way you pay a quarterback that started every game while leading your team to a 13-3 season, including an 11 game winning streak, a season in which he had 5 come from behind victories and 5 game winning drives, a season in which he was ranked 3rd in passer rating, 4th in completion percentage, 2nd in least INT's, 4th in yards per attempt, 1st in rushing TD's and 1st in wins.

If you had a chance of signing a veteran free agent and you were confidant that he could deliver those kind of numbers, what would you pay him....in all fairness?

Dak wasn't drafted #1 overall. He didn't get big money as a rookie, based on potential only. He wasn't given half the season to acclimate himself to the NFL game, His coaching staff didn't wait for the "right time" or the "right game" to put him out on the field. He got thrown out on the field day #1.

Never mind the fact that he produced the best rookie season for a quarterback in NFL history, he played better than 29 of the 32 NFL starters that year, seasoned veterans, Pro Bowlers, guys that will get in the HOF.

And how much money did he earn that season? About the same as a 3rd team lineman? About the same as the deep snapper on the team? Was that fair?

Of course not. It wasn't fair. Jerry knew it wasn't fair. What did he do about it? Eventually he paid everyone else drafted that year....except Dak. That's what he did.

And now we want Dak to be smart? Screw smart. Dak's still working on fair.

What has Dak done since his rookie season?

Dak is ranked 3rd in NFL history for a QB's passer rating in their first four seasons in the NFL. Only two QB's have topped him, one is future HOFer Russel Wilson, the other is HOFer Kurt Warner who, "in all fairness" had been accruing experience in the Arena Football league as well as well as NFL Europe for four seasons prior to throwing his first NFL pass.

Dak is ranked 2nd in completion percentage behind Kurt Warner. He is ranked 4th in average yards per attempt, behind three HOFers. He is ranked 2nd in lowest INT percentage. He is in a 2nd place tie with Russel Wilson for game winning drives. He is ranked 3rd in rushing TD's.

Again, I am comparing his first four seasons to the first four seasons of every quarterback in NFL history. Almost all the quarterbacks that even come close were 1st round draft picks and the majority of those were drafted #1 or #2 overall. They got paid before they ever threw their first pass.

So.....in all fairness.....it's time for Jerry Jones to get smart....this time.

QUOTE) What has Dak done since his rookie season?QUOTE

9-7
10-6
8-8

Total playoff wins= 1

6-13 Against teams with winning records.
All those impressive stats just thank the Giants and Skins and his special garbage time prevent defense garbage stats!....
And all the above with one of the best Offlines, HB, Wr core in the league.

Impressive.... :banghead:

DandyDon52 · Jul 12, 2020

12+88=7 said:
When I read this title the Get Smart theme started playing in my head.

and dak may get his nose caught in the door??

DandyDon52 · Jul 12, 2020

plasticman said:
In all fairness, Jerry should have ripped up Dak's contract right after his rookie season and paid him the way you pay a quarterback that started every game while leading your team to a 13-3 season

I have been told they cannot do this even if they wanted to, but not sure about it.
If they can they should have at least given him a raise to 10 mil a year.

DandyDon52 · Jul 12, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
QUOTE) What has Dak done since his rookie season?QUOTE

9-7
10-6
8-8

Total playoff wins= 1

6-13 Against teams with winning records.
All those impressive stats just thank the Giants and Skins and his special garbage time prevent defense garbage stats!....
And all the above with one of the best Offlines, HB, Wr core in the league.

Impressive....

yeah I have pointed this out before, the last 3 years he avg 9-7 a year. but then people said I was cherry picking!
But recent is recent.
I doubt that the jones boys see this, and still think back to the miracle rookie season.

DandyDon52 · Jul 12, 2020

anyone else think Todd France is a odd and seemingly fake name??

PAPPYDOG · Jul 12, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
yeah I have pointed this out before, the last 3 years he avg 9-7 a year. but then people said I was cherry picking!
But recent is recent.
I doubt that the jones boys see this, and still think back to the miracle rookie season.

That miracle season (2016) was mostly Zeke.
Since that season Dak is average to below-average QB.
I find it amusing how the Dak-trolls act sooooo surprised why he doesn't have a new long term deal.
QB like Dak are bench material at best!!!!
Tim Tebow, you will soon have company.....

buybuydandavis · Jul 12, 2020

kskboys said:
My first Dak thread, ever if memory serves.

Dak, can you seriously not see what this agent is doing to you? You are now appearing to be self-centered, completely eaten up w/ greed, and a guy who doesn't care a wit about the team or your teammates or any of that.

Is this the case? If it is, well OK. If this is not the case, please please please fire this bucket of self serving BS and get a real agent as Mahomes did. That is how a contract should be done, not this drawn out mess.

I don't think players expect other players to take discounts for the team. Bidness is bidness.

I think the best argument for Dak to sign now is *financial*.

The future got a lot less rosy for NFL owners, and the country generally. Locking in money now looks a lot better than it did 6 months ago, and cash is king during times of massive economic churn. You can be Mr. Potter, buying while all the suckers are selling.

buybuydandavis · Jul 12, 2020

kskboys said:
For the life of me, I cannot see how any of this can be construed as good moves for Dak. I think we have an agent who is not negotiating in good faith. He doesn't appear to be interested in a good offer/deal, he only wants a maxed out contract.

It's his job to get Dak the best deal he can, not a *good* offer. I thought they were taking the Kirk Cousins route to riches, and before Voldemort arrived, it was a good plan. Get big guaranteed chunks of money on tags, then move to free agency as the cap explodes with new tv contracts.

I'm not sure that the cap will explode now, and the added health risk makes locking in guaranteed money more advisable.

ConstantReboot · Jul 12, 2020

pansophy said:
The fact that with a week left to sign and that there is utter silence about the contract from both sides probably means something gets done. If we start hearing posturing in the media I’ll start to get concerned.

there may not be football this year anyway.

Or nothing gets done.

buybuydandavis · Jul 12, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
That miracle season (2016) was mostly Zeke.
Since that season Dak is average to below-average QB.
I find it amusing how the Dak-trolls act sooooo surprised why he doesn't have a new long term deal.
QB like Dak are bench material at best!!!!
Tim Tebow, you will soon have company.....

2016 was probably oline at least as much as Zeke.

It's totally unserious to call Dak "bench material at best". He's top 10 easily. Closer to top 5 for guys to give a 4 year contract to.

Hadenough · Jul 12, 2020

Jerry Jones is too smart. Dalton was signed to pressure Dak on signing the franchise tag . Now that Dak signed it there is no reason to sign him to long term deal when Jerry and Stephen can get a look at another prove it season. Dak in my opinion failed last season because of his performance against the half decent teams.

Hadenough · Jul 12, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
2016 was probably oline at least as much as Zeke.

It's totally unserious to call Dak "bench material at best". He's top 10 easily. Closer to top 5 for guys to give a 4 year contract to.

I would put Dak probably around 12th in QBs.

Hadenough · Jul 12, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
yeah I have pointed this out before, the last 3 years he avg 9-7 a year. but then people said I was cherry picking!
But recent is recent.
I doubt that the jones boys see this, and still think back to the miracle rookie season.

I think they do see this and there is a lot of whispers going on behind closed doors.

America's Cowboy · Jul 12, 2020

kskboys said:
No, I haven't. I've learned that Dak wants a short term deal, which is terrible for the team. How have you not learned that?

Jerry doesn't want to offer anything more than a 6 year deal which would help the team but hurt Dak (age wise) by the time he wants to renegotiate another potential big contract. Dak wants a 4 year deal like Wilson and Goff received, this way it makes it more lucrative and easier for Dak to negotiate another big deal while he's still in his prime (30 years old) instead of older (32) and arguably on the downside of prime years.

plasticman · Jul 12, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
yeah I have pointed this out before, the last 3 years he avg 9-7 a year. but then people said I was cherry picking!
But recent is recent.
I doubt that the jones boys see this, and still think back to the miracle rookie season.

So according to both of you Jason Garrett was wrongfully terminated and we all owe him an apology...... because the Cowboys record over the past three seasons is what Dak did..... just saying.

Anyone insisting that Zeke was responsible for the 13-3 season must then accept that it was DeMarco Murray that was responible for 2014 and Romo being the #1 ranked QB that season.

Go back in history and any RB that led the league in rushing eliminates their QB from receiving any credit. Right?

cern · Jul 12, 2020

plasticman said:
LOL....in all fairness?

Seriously?

In all fairness, Jerry should have ripped up Dak's contract right after his rookie season and paid him the way you pay a quarterback that started every game while leading your team to a 13-3 season, including an 11 game winning streak, a season in which he had 5 come from behind victories and 5 game winning drives, a season in which he was ranked 3rd in passer rating, 4th in completion percentage, 2nd in least INT's, 4th in yards per attempt, 1st in rushing TD's and 1st in wins.

If you had a chance of signing a veteran free agent and you were confidant that he could deliver those kind of numbers, what would you pay him....in all fairness?

Dak wasn't drafted #1 overall. He didn't get big money as a rookie, based on potential only. He wasn't given half the season to acclimate himself to the NFL game, His coaching staff didn't wait for the "right time" or the "right game" to put him out on the field. He got thrown out on the field day #1.

Never mind the fact that he produced the best rookie season for a quarterback in NFL history, he played better than 29 of the 32 NFL starters that year, seasoned veterans, Pro Bowlers, guys that will get in the HOF.

And how much money did he earn that season? About the same as a 3rd team lineman? About the same as the deep snapper on the team? Was that fair?

Of course not. It wasn't fair. Jerry knew it wasn't fair. What did he do about it? Eventually he paid everyone else drafted that year....except Dak. That's what he did.

And now we want Dak to be smart? Screw smart. Dak's still working on fair.

What has Dak done since his rookie season?

Dak is ranked 3rd in NFL history for a QB's passer rating in their first four seasons in the NFL. Only two QB's have topped him, one is future HOFer Russel Wilson, the other is HOFer Kurt Warner who, "in all fairness" had been accruing experience in the Arena Football league as well as well as NFL Europe for four seasons prior to throwing his first NFL pass.

Dak is ranked 2nd in completion percentage behind Kurt Warner. He is ranked 4th in average yards per attempt, behind three HOFers. He is ranked 2nd in lowest INT percentage. He is in a 2nd place tie with Russel Wilson for game winning drives. He is ranked 3rd in rushing TD's.

Again, I am comparing his first four seasons to the first four seasons of every quarterback in NFL history. Almost all the quarterbacks that even come close were 1st round draft picks and the majority of those were drafted #1 or #2 overall. They got paid before they ever threw their first pass.

So.....in all fairness.....it's time for Jerry Jones to get smart....this time.

I do not agree. dak was signed to a deal based on him being our second pick in the fourth round and lived up to his deal. no question, he overperformed. now it's time for a new deal and he's been offered a very good package. that's the way it should work. imagine a young patton telling the army he'll refuse to fight unless he gets a promotion based on his performance as a field commander. or a young rickover refusing to serve any longer unless he's quickly promoted to admiral.

plasticman · Jul 12, 2020

cern said:
I do not agree. dak was signed to a deal based on him being our second pick in the fourth round and lived up to his deal. no question, he overperformed. now it's time for a new deal and he's been offered a very good package. that's the way it should work. imagine a young patton telling the army he'll refuse to fight unless he gets a promotion based on his performance as a field commander. or a young rickover refusing to serve any longer unless he's quickly promoted to admiral.

And Dak now has a right to negotiate for the contract he wants, that's the way it works.

So how about everybody dropping the double standard by turning Dak into the bad guy.

The Cowboys got a great deal in Dak's first four seasons. Now Dak wants a great deal.

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