Money ball the QB position

DandyDon52 · Jul 12, 2020

blueblood70 said:
how do you figure we get up into the top 5 picks to get the mahomes type sure top 10 trades if a qb falls but even then you have to lose or give u the farm and what if that picks busts? there are no sure things and this isnt baseball with no cap and where most draft picks have years to develop..

op did not say anything about drafting a mahomes, he said if u dont have one like that, basically find a cheaper but good busdriver, and build
on that, like our defense..

Beast_from_East · Jul 12, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
There isn't ANY team that's going to give him $40M including the Cowboys.

Well word is that Cowboy's latest offer to Dak was $36 a year.

Not unreasonable to assume Dak could get 40 on the open market.

buybuydandavis · Jul 12, 2020

Mr_437 said:
Using that strategy you could of had Andy Dalton or Cam to run the Cowboys offense this season... could be worse.

This is the first time I can remember a surplus at QB, so the theory could be practiced by a team soon.

Cowboys are positioned to exercise this move, but like others have stated not many trust this FO can find the right QB.

Still could have Dalton run the offense this season. If we can't get a long term deal with Dak, we could trade him and give Dalton the chance.

The Dalton signing makes a move from Dak viable this year, and McCarthy makes the long term strategic decision to develop cheap QBs as viable as you can get. McCarthy would be the HC for it, with his own QB camp type training. He's supposed to be a guy to develop QBs.

Imagine the advantage the team would have if they could pull this off.

buybuydandavis · Jul 12, 2020

noletime95 said:
He wants upper 30s we are splitting hairs. Cam, Dalton, Winston.

All could win here with the supporting cast IMO

Dalton could have 30mil more in supporting cast than Dak.

Dalton +30mil > Dak?

Seems credible to me. 30 mil to pick up cap casualties gets you a *lot* of value.

Bullflop · Jul 12, 2020

noletime95 said:
Unless you have Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, a younger Brady, etc.......money ball the position. CFB is producing more talent, more advanced prospects.

Dak is pretty good, but there is no need to over pay. If another team wants to pay him 40 million so be it. It’s a mistake.

keep the position at 15-25 Million. Keep the core of the team together especially with likely cap reductions upcoming.

This is the way

Dak will have the opportunity to get whatever money he's got coming, whether it's this year or next. I seriously doubt he's sweating it at this point in time, even though there's a chance that the franchise tag might be continued. He'll still have the extra money coming his way by way of his advertising boosts. In the event he reaps the benefit of some excellent receiving help at his discretion in 2020, chances are he'd be in line for some pretty fair contractual rewards in 2021. If not, another tag would afford him extra time to prove his worth. Either way, it's likely a win-win situation for all. We'll be fine.

CowboyRoy · Jul 12, 2020

NotForLong said:
He had more "STATS" then Dak

Cam has already been to the Super Bowl. So this comment is false

Why, you seem to . . . With your support of Dak.

One Winston little stat you forgot about...…………..30 picks. Lets just say your not a QB Guru by any stretch.

Cam went to the SB when he was younger and Belli is the only one that could possibly get him here now. I have serious doubts.

75boyz · Jul 12, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Still could have Dalton run the offense this season. If we can't get a long term deal with Dak, we could trade him and give Dalton the chance.

The Dalton signing makes a move from Dak viable this year, and McCarthy makes the long term strategic decision to develop cheap QBs as viable as you can get. McCarthy would be the HC for it, with his own QB camp type training. He's supposed to be a guy to develop QBs.

Imagine the advantage the team would have if they could pull this off.

Totally want to acknowledge this possibility if it weren't for having Favre and Rodgers as his last 2 students.
I believe both of these 2 are far superior QBs to the current Dallas starter whose achievements came mostly through their own natural abilities instead of a great deal of coaching up.
My standing question remains is that is McCarthy a QB whisperer or did he get carried on the coat tails of 2 first ballot HOFs which the current Dallas starter most assuredly isn't.

The lack of OTAs, training camp and preseason at this point further eliminates the supposed open competition at QB scenario along with the franchise tag being signed.

The current starter would hopefully start fast or all of the team and fan base will see how much true authority this coach has in pulling the leash on poor performance. Contract or no contract.

Again, nice post. And this explanation is almost like my only real reason to watch to see if this coach truly has full authority when the current starter doesn't perform.

CowboyRoy · Jul 12, 2020

75boyz said:
Totally want to acknowledge this possibility if it weren't for having Favre and Rodgers as his last 2 students.
I believe both of these 2 are far superior QBs to the current Dallas starter whose achievements came mostly through their own natural abilities instead of a great deal of coaching up.
My standing question remains is that is McCarthy a QB whisperer or did he get carried on the coat tails of 2 first ballot HOFs which the current Dallas starter most assuredly isn't.

The lack of OTAs, training camp and preseason at this point further eliminates the supposed open competition at QB scenario along with the franchise tag being signed.

The current starter would hopefully start fast or all of the team and fan base will see how much true authority this coach has in pulling the leash on poor performance. Contract or no contract.

Again, nice post. And this explanation is almost like my only real reason to watch to see if this coach truly has full authority when the current starter doesn't perform.

doomsday9084 · Jul 12, 2020

I have been saying this on this forum for months.

A long time ago, it was really hard to find someone smart enough, big enough and with a good enough arm to play QB at an NFL level. Positional scarcity was a huge problem. At lower levels, it was all option and T formations with teams just running the ball all the time. Some of the QB's starting in the 80's couldn't make a roster today.

Since that time, teams in lower levels have started throwing the ball . . . a lot. That has attracted people who could actually throw to learn the position in high school and go on to college. Even better, the race barrier is fully broken. A black guy who is athletic isn't automatically put at linebacker or WR. There are a lot of good QB's coming into the league on a regular basis.

There are a few elite QB's and a few sucky ones too. Outside of that, QB play is largely a product of coaching, line play, run game and receivers. If a QB gets a good play called and good protection, there are a LOT of people who can make the play nowadays.

IMO, unless you have one of those elite guys, you should just play moneyball. There is always another Tannehill out there you can pick up off the scrap heap. You can draft and develop QB's too. I would never, ever give a mid range QB 18% of the cap.

At some point a while ago, teams figured this out about the RB position. QB is next.

Flamma · Jul 12, 2020

noletime95 said:
He wants upper 30s we are splitting hairs. Cam, Dalton, Winston.

All could win here with the supporting cast IMO

Ok, but just leave Winston out of this. Jameis is garbage!

75boyz · Jul 12, 2020

CowboyRoy said:

My bad.
McCarthy is Belicheck.
Favre and Rodgers sucked without him.
And Dak is a late blooming Brady in disguise.

You're right. My bad.

Flamma · Jul 12, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Still could have Dalton run the offense this season. If we can't get a long term deal with Dak, we could trade him and give Dalton the chance.

The Dalton signing makes a move from Dak viable this year, and McCarthy makes the long term strategic decision to develop cheap QBs as viable as you can get. McCarthy would be the HC for it, with his own QB camp type training. He's supposed to be a guy to develop QBs.

Imagine the advantage the team would have if they could pull this off.

They could have Dalton run the offense, but they won't. They didn't put an exclusive franchise tag on Dak to trade him or have Dalton run the offense. Besides, what team would trade for him this year? Next year is another story, but this year?

Flamma · Jul 12, 2020

75boyz said:
My standing question remains is that is McCarthy a QB whisperer or did he get carried on the coat tails of 2 first ballot HOFs which the current Dallas starter most assuredly isn't.

This is a good question. But I have a very low opinion of Favre. I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I think he was one of the more reckless QBs with a football that I've ever seen. I can honestly say that I hope the Cowboys never have a QB like him.

I heard a statistic once and it didn't surprise me. Favre never came back to win a game he was down by 14 points with the Packers. That was brought up because he finally did it with either the Jets or Vikings. All those years with the Packers you'd think it would happen once, right? Hell, Romo did it in his first start!

75boyz · Jul 12, 2020

doomsday9084 said:
I have been saying this on this forum for months.

A long time ago, it was really hard to find someone smart enough, big enough and with a good enough arm to play QB at an NFL level. Positional scarcity was a huge problem. At lower levels, it was all option and T formations with teams just running the ball all the time. Some of the QB's starting in the 80's couldn't make a roster today.

Since that time, teams in lower levels have started throwing the ball . . . a lot. That has attracted people who could actually throw to learn the position in high school and go on to college. Even better, the race barrier is fully broken. A black guy who is athletic isn't automatically put at linebacker or WR. There are a lot of good QB's coming into the league on a regular basis.

There are a few elite QB's and a few sucky ones too. Outside of that, QB play is largely a product of coaching, line play, run game and receivers. If a QB gets a good play called and good protection, there are a LOT of people who can make the play nowadays.

IMO, unless you have one of those elite guys, you should just play moneyball. There is always another Tannehill out there you can pick up off the scrap heap. You can draft and develop QB's too. I would never, ever give a mid range QB 18% of the cap.

At some point a while ago, teams figured this out about the RB position. QB is next.

Nice post.

Hawkeye0202 · Jul 12, 2020

noletime95 said:
He wants upper 30s we are splitting hairs. Cam, Dalton, Winston.

All could win here with the supporting cast IMO

Just lost what little credibility you had from this thread.......

Northern_Cowboy · Jul 12, 2020

blueblood70 said:
how do you figure we get up into the top 5 picks to get the mahomes type sure top 10 trades if a qb falls but even then you have to lose or give u the farm and what if that picks busts? there are no sure things and this isnt baseball with no cap and where most draft picks have years to develop..

Don't need a top 5 pick for a Mahomes he was the 10th overall pick

SpaceCowboy99 · Jul 12, 2020

Rockport said:
Glad you sent the GM. Dak is a top 5 QB and that’s why he’s getting paid on Wed.

Rodgers
Brees
Mahomes
Wilson
Jackson

Just named 5 better than him. Would you like a second chance at rephrasing your opinionated and incorrect statement?
Dak is middle QB in most valid stats meaning he shows up 10-20th. Not counting passing yards but hey anyone can sling the ball, just ask Winston.

He's not going to get a magical call by Wednesday. We already offered him too much. Should be 5 yr 32/yr.

Dalton 21

Rockport · Jul 12, 2020

SpaceCowboy99 said:
Rodgers
Brees
Mahomes
Wilson
Jackson

Just named 5 better than him. Would you like a second chance at rephrasing your opinionated and incorrect statement?
Dak is middle QB in most valid stats meaning he shows up 10-20th. Not counting passing yards but hey anyone can sling the ball, just ask Winston.

He's not going to get a magical call by Wednesday. We already offered him too much. Should be 5 yr 32/yr.

Dalton 21

I think Dak is better than an old Brees and Rogers and maybe Wilson.

Corso · Jul 12, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
op did not say anything about drafting a mahomes, he said if u dont have one like that, basically find a cheaper but good busdriver, and build
on that, like our defense..

You think Johnny Football could have been our bus driver?

buybuydandavis · Jul 12, 2020

Flamma said:
They could have Dalton run the offense, but they won't. They didn't put an exclusive franchise tag on Dak to trade him or have Dalton run the offense. Besides, what team would trade for him this year? Next year is another story, but this year?

A team that needed a QB this year? A team that was willing to pay Dak more?
At 30mil, Dak is a decent deal this year.

They put the franchise tag on Dak to maintain their rights to him. Those rights have value. Cashing out that value is a perfectly reasonable choice, made *more* reasonable this year by having a starting caliber QB on the bench.

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