Why the OL could potentially be better this season!

DuncanIso

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-It's very unlikely the team starts multiple first year starters, especially in a year in which there was no on the field off-season activities. Continuity is very important, which I could see Williams/Looney continue to start, but if either struggles, we could see a in-season promotion. We have to expect some growing pains when these young prospects do see the field, even Tyron Smith who was a former top 10 pick, needed time to develop.

-That disaster in Atlanta should of costed Jason Garrett his job not use Pollack as the scapegoat. Clearly Garrett saw what what happening, he could of gave Green more help or even replaced him, he did neither.

-It seems like under Columbo the OL became far better in pass protection, but took a step back in the ground game. When the OL was at it's best, they were killing teams on the ground even in stacked boxes. This of when they employed a zone blocking scheme.

Take a look at our rushing numbers under Colombo.

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No. But stats for OL are crap. Fred was a bit above league average last year but definitely not great.

Ya'll whine about Zeke not breaking runs. Dig deeper and see Fred not getting 2nd level blocks at all.
Fred was better at his position than Zeke at his.
 

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Which typically is correct for me.

My post just stated facts for each of the positions along the OL. Not glass half empty, just facts.

Most people think their opinions are facts. You each presented some facts. They were each colored by your personal interpretation of those facts.
 
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Most people think their opinions are facts. You each presented some facts. They were each colored by your personal interpretation of those facts.
Mine didn't contain any opinions outside of downgrading at swing, the rest were all strictly facts.
 

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When we look at the changes along the OL this season, the majority believe the unit will be not as good, mainly due to the loss of Travis Frederick.

Frederick was an all-pro center when he was healthy, but he was a shell of himself from the physical standpoint after his illness. He decided to call it a career, when he knew he could no longer play up to his high standards. The team will certainly feel his loss in leadership and his high IQ making all the pre-snap protection calls. Keep in mind we aren't replacing the all pro Travis, but rather the last year's version of him.

You can look up all the early 2020 mocks drafts and you will find Tyler Biadasz projected as a 1st round pick. Many media scouts projected him as a sure fire day 2 selection this year. His play did dip somewhat after hip surgery, but many believe he will be able to return close to 100%. Make no mistake, Biadasz is a high level prospect, no matter where he was drafted.

Connor McGovern received a 2nd rd grade from the Cowboy Front Office, in which they decided to take him when still available in rd 3. They said it was a blinking light pick, as he was atop of their draft board. Unfortunately, McGovern got hurt in the off-season workouts, in which he had to have a red shirt type of season. He has starting experience at both Guard and the Center positions. McGovern is considered a high level future starter prospect. The two Connor's are both talented players in which the loser becomes a quality,gameday, active reserve player.

Cameron Erving is an former 1st rd selection who has the versatility to backup all 5 positions and easily can spot start if needed. He might be a small upgrade over Fleming as the team's swing tackle, but he offers veteran insurance across the entire line.

Zach Martin was playing hurt all season long. Still was playing at a high level, but probably not on an all-pro level that he has in the past. Probably his worst season as a Cowboy, which is saying a lot, as he still was a pro bowl player at the position. Better health could have him reach those elite levels of production once again.

The depth along the entire OL is the best we have seen in many years. The offense is going to have backups with starting experience that have the versatility to play multiple positions along the OL. Add in the return to the zone blocking scheme in which the OL has been prior success with, the group has potential to become even better.

A lot of young prospects, but with more experience they can become quality, high end starters for the future. Perhaps we will see some early growing pains, but by mid season this group could be very good!

I think Cam Erving is a significant upgrade over Cam Fleming as the swing Tackle. Erving started 8 games at LT last season for the Super Bowl champion Chiefs.

Knight started 1 game at RT last season and did ok. He now has that experience. He also played OG in the preseason.

Hyatt a higher rated OT than Knight by draft analysts due to having "LT feet". He was very weak last preseason. Players get stronger. They rarely get better feet.

The interior projects to have good depth. There are 4 legit players for 2 spots (OC and LG) plus 2 more that can play inside with Erving and Knight.
- Connnor Williams, Connor McGovern, Looney, Biadasz
 

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entirely possible....but Erving is not an upgrade over Fleming...but all other things considered including Biadasz and Mcgovern in my opinion really shoot up out stock

Erving started 8 games at LT last season for the Super Bowl champion KC Chiefs.

He is a better player than Cam Fleming.
 

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Erving is a failure who remarkably is on his 3rd team after being picked in the 1st. He can not play outside to save his life. If that's our swing T option, we're screwed. He's serviceable inside but really is just competing against UDFA types at this point of his career.

He started 8 games at LT last season for the Super Bowl champion KC Chiefs.
 

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Philbin has spent most of his time being either an OC or a failed HC.

he was hired because he is big buddies with Mike, who would rather Have KMoore join Colombo.

that is the only reason Colombo was fired.

of course, Colombo was immediately hired by the Gnats.

Columbo played in a man blocking scheme.
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Zeke is best in a zone blocking scheme.

Columbo was the top advocate for drafting Chaz Green...

Wade Phillips has been a great D-Coordinator. He was a terrible Head Coach.

Philbin had the O-Coordinator title but MM was the OC in GB which means Philbin's real job coaching the OL.
 

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I only read the very first bit, but we need to stop lying to ourselves.

Hyperbole is always bad, Frederick was not an all-pro last season but he was still a top tier center. He allowed only 1 sacks and had 1 penalty for the season. Saying he was a "shell of himself", come on.
Here is what happened along the OL this season.

LT got another year older
LG added competition from a redshirt sophomore
C lost a top tier center and only added a rookie coming off injury
RG is another year older
RT nothing has changed
Swing tackle we found a way to get worse, which I didn't think was possible.
LT—another year older yes, but also they say he’’s healthier this year.
C—Big Fred hasn’t been Top Tier since sometime in 2017, so...
RG—Not “old” at that position quite yet.

I stand by my original assessment...half full/half empty.
 

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He started 8 games at LT last season for the Super Bowl champion KC Chiefs.

And was benched because his play was awful. I do think he's a decent interior lineman. I don't know Philbin's approach - some coaches move guys around when there are injuries but others don't - but if Smith misses time, I'd want to see Collins at LT and Williams (or possibly Martin) on the right.

Fun fact. 4-4 with Erving at LT (only 1 of those loses was without Mahomes). Rest of the season? Undefeated.
 

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LT—another year older yes, but also they say he’’s healthier this year.
C—Big Fred hasn’t been Top Tier since sometime in 2017, so...
RG—Not “old” at that position quite yet.

I stand by my original assessment...half full/half empty.

Well, it was wrong. But you go ahead!
 

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Columbo played in a man blocking scheme.
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Zeke is best in a zone blocking scheme.

Columbo was the top advocate for drafting Chaz Green...

Wade Phillips has been a great D-Coordinator. He was a terrible Head Coach.

Philbin had the O-Coordinator title but MM was the OC in GB which means Philbin's real job coaching the OL.


James Campen was Packers OL coach. 11 seasons or so.

Philbin hasn't been a full time OL coach for the Pack since 2006.

He coached for the Colts as OL coach in 2016-17.

BTW, at least Colombo actually played football in the NFL.
 

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James Campen was Packers OL coach. 11 seasons or so.

Philbin hasn't been a full time OL coach for the Pack since 2006.

He coached for the Colts as OL coach in 2016-17.

BTW, at least Colombo actually played football in the NFL.
Wait, so Philbin isn't the guru who taught GB's Oline how to get away without ever getting any holding calls? Uh oh changing my mind now.
 

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He is going to win out the LG spot and beat weak Connor Williams and always injured Connor McGovern.

He is going to be the Quenton Nelson LG of the Dallas.
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