Mahomes Contract is actually less than the Cowboys Offered Dak

buybuydandavis · Jul 12, 2020

xwalker said:
Less as a percent of the salary cap over the period of the contract(s).

Mahomes' Contract

Mahomes new money is 450M over 10 years with the 10 years starting in 2022.

The NFL salary cap has increased on average 6.52 percent over the past 10 years.

Using the same 6.52 percent, the NFL cap projects to average 303.76M the 10 year period.

Mahomes 45M average is 14.8 percent the projected NFL cap.

Dak's Contract

A 5 year contract for Dak at 35M would be 16.4 percent of the projected cap.

If Dak's agent wants to use Mahomes' contract as a basis for a 5 year contract for Dak:

33.5M over 5 years is the same 14.8 percent of the cap as Mahomes' contract.

Yeah, it didn't look that high to me, but I was too lazy to run the numbers.

But the analysis is highly dependent on the projected cap increase rate, and given economic uncertainty, that's a highly contentious number. If both sides can't agree on that, they can't agree on a basis for setting Dak's value relative to the rest of the league.

The natural thing for both sides is to temporize and play on the tag, but the closer Dak gets to true free agency, the less incentive he has to make a deal.

Why would he make a deal next year, with a +20% bump in tag money? At that point, just ride it out to free agency. When he starts riding toward free agency, it's time to make some business decisions on the field.

Both sides can look into that future. So I think it's now or never. If the Cowboys can't get a contract this year, work on a summer trade of Dak, and roll with Dalton.

Dalton +30mil > Dak

buybuydandavis · Jul 12, 2020

ScipioCowboy said:
This whole situation is strange. The closest analog I can think of is the Kirk Cousin’s situation in Washington. I honestly don’t know if this is more a matter of the Cowboys not being sold on Dak or Dak asking for an absurd amount.

I think the Kirk Cousin's path to riches has been Dak's plan since last year.

buybuydandavis · Jul 12, 2020

kskboys said:
I finally looked it up, it was easily accessible. 33 was the offer.

Wouldn't take 33mil when all he was going to make was 2mil last year.

Why would he be itching to take 35mil when 31.4mil is already guaranteed?

Now project that out to next year with a 20% franchise tag price increase, and with 31.4mil in the bank.

Each year, he has *less* incentive to take a deal. The failure to take 33mil last year announced to me that he wouldn't be interested in any contract that wasn't absurd.

darthseinfeld · Jul 12, 2020

Vinnie2u said:
pretty simple. The FO doesn’t feel like Dak is worth what he’s asking for. Weather it’s the years or the money is irrelevant. The FO is Dug in. And I hope they stay that way. They bent over for tank, jaylon, Dez, Zeke. The list of bad contracts is pretty long

Everything I have seen is that the money has been agreed upon. Its the years.

Hoofbite · Jul 13, 2020

Suppose Dak signed the Cowboys highest offer, and both he and Mahomes played 5 years....which player earns more?

America's Cowboy · Jul 13, 2020

xwalker said:
Less as a percent of the salary cap over the period of the contract(s).

Mahomes' Contract

Mahomes new money is 450M over 10 years with the 10 years starting in 2022.

The NFL salary cap has increased on average 6.52 percent over the past 10 years.

Using the same 6.52 percent, the NFL cap projects to average 303.76M the 10 year period.

Mahomes 45M average is 14.8 percent the projected NFL cap.

Dak's Contract

A 5 year contract for Dak at 35M would be 16.4 percent of the projected cap.

If Dak's agent wants to use Mahomes' contract as a basis for a 5 year contract for Dak:

33.5M over 5 years is the same 14.8 percent of the cap as Mahomes' contract.

Let's see...

MAHOMES: $450 million (at a minimum and has potential to go up to $500+ million) divided by 10 years = $45 million average per year contract.

DAK: 5 year contract offer at $35 million per year is $10 million less per year than Mahomes' contract.

Pretty simply basic math here folks.

Mahomes easily is getting paid $10 million more per year than Dak's offer.

PAPPYDOG · Jul 13, 2020

xwalker said:
Less as a percent of the salary cap over the period of the contract(s).

Mahomes' Contract

Mahomes new money is 450M over 10 years with the 10 years starting in 2022.

The NFL salary cap has increased on average 6.52 percent over the past 10 years.

Using the same 6.52 percent, the NFL cap projects to average 303.76M the 10 year period.

Mahomes 45M average is 14.8 percent the projected NFL cap.

Dak's Contract

A 5 year contract for Dak at 35M would be 16.4 percent of the projected cap.

If Dak's agent wants to use Mahomes' contract as a basis for a 5 year contract for Dak:

33.5M over 5 years is the same 14.8 percent of the cap as Mahomes' contract.

Once again silly speculations. :omg:

The only certainty is the Cowboys offered the TAG which has been signed.
The rest is gossip at best!!!!

GimmeTheBall! · Jul 13, 2020

xwalker said:
Less as a percent of the salary cap over the period of the contract(s).

Mahomes' Contract

Mahomes new money is 450M over 10 years with the 10 years starting in 2022.

The NFL salary cap has increased on average 6.52 percent over the past 10 years.

Using the same 6.52 percent, the NFL cap projects to average 303.76M the 10 year period.

Mahomes 45M average is 14.8 percent the projected NFL cap.

Dak's Contract

A 5 year contract for Dak at 35M would be 16.4 percent of the projected cap.

If Dak's agent wants to use Mahomes' contract as a basis for a 5 year contract for Dak:

33.5M over 5 years is the same 14.8 percent of the cap as Mahomes' contract.

Only poseurs would mention Mahomes and Dak in the same sentence. Blasphemy.

gjkoeppen · Jul 13, 2020

xwalker said:
Less as a percent of the salary cap over the period of the contract(s).

Mahomes' Contract

Mahomes new money is 450M over 10 years with the 10 years starting in 2022.

The NFL salary cap has increased on average 6.52 percent over the past 10 years.

Using the same 6.52 percent, the NFL cap projects to average 303.76M the 10 year period.

Mahomes 45M average is 14.8 percent the projected NFL cap.

Dak's Contract

A 5 year contract for Dak at 35M would be 16.4 percent of the projected cap.

If Dak's agent wants to use Mahomes' contract as a basis for a 5 year contract for Dak:

33.5M over 5 years is the same 14.8 percent of the cap as Mahomes' contract.

Except Mahomes contract isn't as easy as just averaging the entire thing out over the 10 years. If the entire 10 years are done there will be at least 3 years where that 14.8 percent won't be anywhere close to what it will actually be. 2027 he will have a cap hit of 59.9 mil which will be well above 14.8 percent for that year. Then the last 2 years will be 50.45 mil and 52.45 mil which will also be above that 14.8 percent. It's nice to say for the 10 years it averages out to that but it's not that easy.
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gjkoeppen · Jul 13, 2020

rocyaice said:
Don't give this front office credit like they did this intuitionally. They are being stubborn because they want Dak on a 5 year deal and not a 4 year deal. Had they signed him last year they could've got him on a 5 year deal. They are trying to salvage their mistake and using Dak to do it.

That is just your thinking and that's it. Last season Prescott reject a 5 year deal just before the start of the season just like he has this year so how were they going to get him signed to a 5 year deal last season when he rejected a 5 year deal?
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Ranched · Jul 13, 2020

baltcowboy said:
Mahomes signed a fair deal for him but screwed the quarterbacks when it comes to future free agency.

KC made a big mistake paying their quarterback that much after one championship. Foles didn't get squat.

doomsday9084 · Jul 13, 2020

Hoofbite said:
Suppose Dak signed the Cowboys highest offer, and both he and Mahomes played 5 years....which player earns more?

I thought that the cowboys offered $35m per year and it was confirmed by several people. I also thought that over that 5 year span, Mahomes would get less cash than that.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...ract-details-money/1gpmlnyxtkbqi1g4z5aqr21kpp

5 years from now Mahomes gets $141.5m total cash
5 years starting in 2021 Mahomes gets $173m total cash

If the 5 / $175m deal for Dak was real, the Cowboys already offered Dak more money than Mahomes got.

I really don't think people grasp how great of a deal this was for KC. Mahomes definitely helped them out. This isn't the monster contract its made out to be.

DandyDon52 · Jul 13, 2020

I would offer Dak 27 mil for 4 years and tell him to take that or be on the bench all of this season.
Then if he didnt take it, I would go with dalton and dinucci.
If Dak sat on the bench all season, he would get out of the groove, and find it hard to get more than 27 anywhere next season.
Just move on from him.
or be satisfied with him playing on the tag.

DandyDon52 · Jul 13, 2020

xwalker said:
Less as a percent of the salary cap over the period of the contract(s).

Mahomes' Contract

Mahomes new money is 450M over 10 years with the 10 years starting in 2022.

The NFL salary cap has increased on average 6.52 percent over the past 10 years.

Using the same 6.52 percent, the NFL cap projects to average 303.76M the 10 year period.

Mahomes 45M average is 14.8 percent the projected NFL cap.

Dak's Contract

A 5 year contract for Dak at 35M would be 16.4 percent of the projected cap.

If Dak's agent wants to use Mahomes' contract as a basis for a 5 year contract for Dak:

33.5M over 5 years is the same 14.8 percent of the cap as Mahomes' contract.

That is still too much.
it is basically 15 % now mahomes is so good, he doesnt need as much talent around him as other qb's
Dak at 16.4 is a joke.

Also you used an average, and reality is cap hit will vary from year to year, and their best chance of winning SB again is in the low cap hit years.
Also projected NFL cap is next to impossible to predict now.

Fastpitch Dad · Jul 13, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Wouldn't take 33mil when all he was going to make was 2mil last year.

Why would he be itching to take 35mil when 31.4mil is already guaranteed?

Now project that out to next year with a 20% franchise tag price increase, and with 31.4mil in the bank.

Each year, he has *less* incentive to take a deal. The failure to take 33mil last year announced to me that he wouldn't be interested in any contract that wasn't absurd.

Well thought out post, it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out. I still have a feeling they might work out a deal but your thoughts make a lot of sense. I hope it turns out like this.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jul 13, 2020

xwalker said:
Less as a percent of the salary cap over the period of the contract(s).

Mahomes' Contract

Mahomes new money is 450M over 10 years with the 10 years starting in 2022.

The NFL salary cap has increased on average 6.52 percent over the past 10 years.

Using the same 6.52 percent, the NFL cap projects to average 303.76M the 10 year period.

Mahomes 45M average is 14.8 percent the projected NFL cap.

Dak's Contract

A 5 year contract for Dak at 35M would be 16.4 percent of the projected cap.

If Dak's agent wants to use Mahomes' contract as a basis for a 5 year contract for Dak:

33.5M over 5 years is the same 14.8 percent of the cap as Mahomes' contract.

no matter how you cut it, its a freaking 10 year $500M contract. so if I am to take a shorter term contract, I would ask for more, because there is less guarantees of the future. its no different than when I hire a contractor. I tell them its a 3 month job and rate goes up. I tell them its a 1 year contract and all of a sudden rates drop....

ghst187 · Jul 13, 2020

I’m to the point I officially don’t care if Dak gets signed or not....Dalton is a clear and significant downgrade but better trading Dak for picks and make a play for the top pick next year....if there is even a season this year...

TheMarathonContinues · Jul 13, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
That is just your thinking and that's it. Last season Prescott reject a 5 year deal just before the start of the season just like he has this year so how were they going to get him signed to a 5 year deal last season when he rejected a 5 year deal?
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Had they offered him the the same deal now they could've got him. They were too worried about Amari, Lawrence and Zeke......

OmerV · Jul 13, 2020

xwalker said:
Less as a percent of the salary cap over the period of the contract(s).

Mahomes' Contract

Mahomes new money is 450M over 10 years with the 10 years starting in 2022.

The NFL salary cap has increased on average 6.52 percent over the past 10 years.

Using the same 6.52 percent, the NFL cap projects to average 303.76M the 10 year period.

Mahomes 45M average is 14.8 percent the projected NFL cap.

Dak's Contract

A 5 year contract for Dak at 35M would be 16.4 percent of the projected cap.

If Dak's agent wants to use Mahomes' contract as a basis for a 5 year contract for Dak:

33.5M over 5 years is the same 14.8 percent of the cap as Mahomes' contract.

You can bet your house Mahomes and his agent don’t see 5 years @ an average of $35 million/year as a better deal than the one he got.

First, % of cap is a team benefit, and one it receives BECAUSE Mahomes deal is for 10 years. Accordingly you can’t view it in an apples to apples comparison with a 5 year deal.

The first 5 years of Mahomes contract he will average a lot more than Dak would over 5, and by that time he will already have so much money he can line his sidewalks with gold bricks. Plus, if a lot of Mahomes guaranteed money is paid in the first 5 years he will have a lot more money being put to work earning even more money through investments than Dak would in those same 5 years.

In short, the team may get some back end benefit by doing a 10 year deal (assuming Mahimes doesn’t get hurt and stays highly effective the full 10 years), but it’s not a sacrifice for the player. This is still the richest contract in pro sports history.

DFWJC · Jul 13, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Wouldn't take 33mil when all he was going to make was 2mil last year.

Why would he be itching to take 35mil when 31.4mil is already guaranteed?

Now project that out to next year with a 20% franchise tag price increase, and with 31.4mil in the bank.

Each year, he has *less* incentive to take a deal. The failure to take 33mil last year announced to me that he wouldn't be interested in any contract that wasn't absurd.

I think the offer was closer to 30 last year, fwiw.
And the tag gets him to 37ish next year for one year.....which, IF he has a good year, would be below the 2022 longtwrm per year offer.

Unless he wants to leave Dallas like Cousins did with Wash.
That changes everything

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