Twitter: Baldinger: Eagles getting big FA this week

Qcard · Jul 13, 2020

Zordon said:

Eagles Trading Carson Wentz to Denver Broncos....stay tuned! I am hearing major overhaul in Philly

TheMarathonContinues · Jul 13, 2020

mcmvp said:
I doubt CeeDee Lamb was on their board ahead of Ruggs and Reagor. Was he higher on other team’s boards? Sure...different teams are targeting different things. But Howie was speed obsessed in this draft. He’s been without it due to injuries for a couple years now. I don’t think Howie feels he missed out on Lamb. Some Eagles fans may feel that way, but that happens literally every draft when their team doesn’t draft who they think is best.

When Howie mentioned the price was too high to move up, he was referring to Ruggs.

Let me tell you....Ruggs is one thing because I knew people overvalued that 4.2 speed....but if you are trying to sit here and convince us that if they had the pick of Reagor and Lamb and they'd chose Reagor? Howie and his scout department have some huge issues. But I don' think that's the case. They always targeted Reagor because he was a realistic option. Most mock drafts had him going late 1st or early 2nd. Most cases he was ranked as the 5th or 6th best receiver in this draft. So realistically they knew they had a shot at him and not Ruggs, Lamb or Jeudy.

But there is no scenario where Reagor was higher on their draft board than Lamb. That's just post draft talk that fans and teams like to do to save face.

Stash · Jul 13, 2020

mcmvp said:
Or just applying logic.

Fan logic. Where a fan will tell themselves anything to be spared the truth.

Wouldn't you agree that a deep speed threat is what they have been lacking? Howie got Jackson a year ago and saw in the first game what a deep threat could do. Then he lost him for the year. He went into this draft wanting to get his next Jackson. Ruggs was option #1, but that wasn't happening.

If you look at the WRs they took later in the draft you'll see the same speed factor - and also in the guy they acquired via trade from SF (Goodwin). Howie was absolutely speed obsessed.

It is hardly a stretch to say he didn't target Lamb. That wouldn't mean he didn't think he was a damn fine WR...but he had other ideas.

Not true at all. You can check for yourself at the numerous reports of the failed attempt to trade up for Lamb, unless you want to continue to practice willful ignorance. You can lie to yourself about it, but everyone else knows the truth here.

Some people apparently just look at the pre-draft rankings per position group, on various sites, and think every NFL GM has them ranked the same way. Cowboys fans can rest their head on their pillow at night and tell themselves that their team got Howie's guy. That's fine...I just don't agree.

Tell yourself whatever you need to while you're crying in your own pillow.

My team got the best receiver in the draft.

Your team overdrafted one and drafted a backup quarterback project. That's fact.

mcmvp · Jul 13, 2020

stasheroo said:
Tell yourself whatever you need to while you're crying in your own pillow.

My team got the best receiver in the draft.

Your team overdrafted one and drafted a backup quarterback project. That's fact.

LOL...fact? You're usually a more reasonable poster than that. You know as well as I do we have no idea what a draft class will look like until they've played a couple seasons. The only fact is you think you are right...and that's fine.

Stash · Jul 13, 2020

mcmvp said:
LOL...fact? You're usually a more reasonable poster than that.

As are you. These lame excuses are out of character for you.

You know as well as I do we have no idea what a draft class will look like until they've played a couple seasons. The only fact is you think you are right...and that's fine.

Tell yourself whatever stories you need to so you can feel better. Just keep that nonsense to yourself. The rest of the world knows better.

mcmvp · Jul 13, 2020

stasheroo said:
As are you. These lame excuses are out of character for you.

Tell yourself whatever stories you need to so you can feel better. Just keep that nonsense to yourself. The rest of the world knows better.

But you are misconstruing my point in the first place if you think I am making an excuse. I personally think Lamb is the better WR and will probably have the better career. My point was never about what I personally think....it was always about my perception on what Howie Roseman was thinking

Stash · Jul 13, 2020

mcmvp said:
But you are misconstruing my point in the first place if you think I am making an excuse. I personally think Lamb is the better WR and will probably have the better career. My point was never about what I personally think....it was always about my perception on what Howie Roseman was thinking

Who cares? It's clear the guy was wrong about it. In which case, nobody cares what he was thinking, only that his thinking was clearly flawed.

I'll give the guy credit for having done a lot of things right. But I'll also criticize him when he clearly screwed up, as he did in this year's draft.

The fan in you forces you to want to give him some benefit of the doubt that the rest of the world isn't required to.

mcmvp · Jul 13, 2020

stasheroo said:
Who cares? It's clear the guy was wrong about it. In which case, nobody cares what he was thinking, only that his thinking was clearly flawed.

I'll give the guy credit for having done a lot of things right. But I'll also criticize him when he clearly screwed up, as he did in this year's draft.

The fan in you forces you to want to give him some benefit of the doubt that the rest of the world isn't required to.

He's earned some benefit of the doubt with his trophy, but I don't blindly agree with everything he does. I do agree with him making deep speed a high priority.

And again, I don't judge draft classes and make conclusions before the selected players have taken an NFL snap. So we won't agree on him obviously being wrong. Ask me in 2 years (God willing they even play)

Stash · Jul 13, 2020

mcmvp said:
He's earned some benefit of the doubt with his trophy, but I don't blindly agree with everything he does.

It's sure looking like you do today.

I do agree with him making deep speed a high priority.

Over acquiring the best receiver in the draft?

And again, I don't judge draft classes and make conclusions before the selected players have taken an NFL snap. So we won't agree on him obviously being wrong. Ask me in 2 years.

Certainly not when it looks this bad from the get-go. Dallas fans said the same thing when the Cowboys drafted Taco Charlton over TJ Watt. They gave that same wait and see line when that one clearly looked bad too.

(God willing they even play)

We can agree on this.

mcmvp · Jul 13, 2020

stasheroo said:
It's sure looking like you do today.

Over acquiring the best receiver in the draft?

Certainly not when it looks this bad from the get-go. Dallas fans said the same thing when the Cowboys drafted Taco Charlton over TJ Watt. They gave that same wait and see line when that one clearly looked bad too.

We can agree on this.

I didn't agree with his 2nd round pick. I understand it from a salary cap perspective, but I still didn't agree with it.

I don't claim to know who the best WR in the draft is...it's all speculation at this point - they're just kids. Busts still happen all the time.

And yes, it's ok to have good feelings or bad feelings about a draft pick or class right afterwards. I have just learned through 40+ years of fandom not to draw conclusions from my immediate feelings on something. That's the only difference here.

blueblood70 · Jul 13, 2020

im not reading or hearing anything in the REAL Sports new world today..

whatever it is Jerry should come in and ruin it..go grab their targeted player for once as they have done with us multiple times

Clarkson · Jul 13, 2020

LOL at saying Philly would have taken Raegor over Lamb :laugh:

absolutely not. not in any world.

Stash · Jul 13, 2020

mcmvp said:
I didn't agree with his 2nd round pick. I understand it from a salary cap perspective, but I still didn't agree with it.

No need to wait two years on that.

Worse yet, that was the puck he refused to part with to trade up and get Lamb. A double whammy.

I don't claim to know who the best WR in the draft is...it's all speculation at this point - they're just kids. Busts still happen all the time.

No, you're trying to talk yourself out of it because your team didn't get him. It's common among fans. Fandom overrides common sense and they feel compelled to lie to themselves.

And yes, it's ok to have good feelings or bad feelings about a draft pick or class right afterwards. I have just learned through 40+ years of fandom not to draw conclusions from my immediate feelings on something. That's the only difference here.

But it didn't stop you on that second round pick. Interesting.

Creeper · Jul 13, 2020

Has anyone noticed the Eagles are $63 million over the cap next year? Its going to be almost impossible to manage that number down sufficiently without cutting some players. So whoever they sign this week is going to be on a 1 year deal. I don;t see them signing Jamal Adams because he will want a multiyear deal for big money and the Eagles will only create more cap problems for themselves is they do that.

So who are the likely candidates to take a one year deal? Clowney is one, and the Eagles have enough cap room in 2020 to make a deal with him on the $15 million range. It might be Griffin because he would probably sign a 1 year deal for less, maybe closer to $10 million. But a 32 yr old DE may want at least 2 years given his age.

The Eagles have an OL problem. They lost their old pro left tackle and also their all pro guard. It could be an offensive lineman from somewhere.

After the DeSean Jackson tweet situation, I don't think they will want AB or Josh Gordon.

fivetwos · Jul 13, 2020

Roseman tripped over himself in trying to leap Dallas to get Lamb. The fact that it was Dallas made it overblown and he panicked and took Reagor too high.

Hurts in the 2nd was a terrible pick even if you needed a QB.

However I think Philly made some very, very solid picks later on to salvage the draft on a whole.

As always, time will tell.

RustyBourneHorse · Jul 13, 2020

Sydla said:
Or Griffin. They are very bullish on the importance of the DL. They are loaded at DT and if you add Clowney or Griffin, to pair with Graham and Barnett, they are loaded at DE as well.

It still pisses me off that we have zero interest in Griffin. Putting your eggs in Smith/Gregory/Crawford (LOL) at RDE is really risky.

Same here. I'd love for us to get Griffin. I'm thinking Clowney because I read that Clowney had a lot of interest with Philly.

mcmvp · Jul 13, 2020

stasheroo said:
No need to wait two years on that.

Worse yet, that was the puck he refused to part with to trade up and get Lamb. A double whammy.

No, you're trying to talk yourself out of it because your team didn't get him. It's common among fans. Fandom overrides common sense and they feel compelled to lie to themselves.

But it didn't stop you on that second round pick. Interesting.

Well even though I think Lamb will be the better WR of the two (and time will tell on that), I certainly have no problem with them not wanting to spend a 2nd round draft pick just to move up a couple spots to get him. It is purely speculation on your part to believe it would’ve been worth it.

There were other quality wide receivers in the draft. Just because I don’t agree with our second round selection, it doesn’t mean that I would’ve rather them used that to move up in the first. I wanted them to keep their pics and get younger overall.

I have zero problem with them not trading up at the first.

Stash · Jul 13, 2020

mcmvp said:
Well even though I think Lamb will be the better WR of the two (and time will tell on that), I certainly have no problem with them not wanting to spend a 2nd round draft pick just to move up a couple spots to get him. It is purely speculation on your part to believe it would’ve been worth it.

You mean like with your even weaker 'speculation' that think Reagor is anywhere close to a comparable receiver?

There were other quality wide receivers in the draft. Just because I don’t agree with our second round selection, it doesn’t mean that I would’ve rather them used that to move up in the first. I wanted them to keep their pics and get younger overall.

I have zero problem with them not trading up at the first.

Spoken like a true fan.

With blinders on.

Blackspider214 · Jul 13, 2020

Sydla said:
Philly knows how to go for it (if this pans out).

We dabble around the edges. It would be funny if they got Clowney or Griffin on a friendly one year deal and we are trying to sell Aldon Smith and Tyrone Crawford as our RDE solution.

LOL.

Exactly. They are active and get difference makers. Meanwhile, we worry about "overpaying" and try to get the cheapest players possible and bargain bin hunt. The moves they made in the 2017 offseason helped them win that ring. I am not a Wentz fan but he was their guy and they made it happen and got him. When has our front office ever did anything like that? They are active. We are reactionary and always steps behind. We get all the leftover scraps.

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Jul 13, 2020

rocyaice said:
Let me tell you....Ruggs is one thing because I knew people overvalued that 4.2 speed....but if you are trying to sit here and convince us that if they had the pick of Reagor and Lamb and they'd chose Reagor? Howie and his scout department have some huge issues. But I don' think that's the case. They always targeted Reagor because he was a realistic option. Most mock drafts had him going late 1st or early 2nd. Most cases he was ranked as the 5th or 6th best receiver in this draft. So realistically they knew they had a shot at him and not Ruggs, Lamb or Jeudy.

But there is no scenario where Reagor was higher on their draft board than Lamb. That's just post draft talk that fans and teams like to do to save face.

Agree! with the no way any scout nor team would have Reagor over Lamb on there draft board, and if so that scout should get there walking papers handed to them ASAP. That is not a knock on the egirls receiver either but just plain facts.

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