Marinelli May deserve an apology from some here

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Cowboy Lover said:
I dig it...but with a few exceptions. I think this "catchable ball" stat we've been tossing around lately is...a very poor one. 1st downs, TOP, tackles...I get....even yards gained is FAIRLY accurate.
"catchable". Grain of salt there!
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Catchable? Just something to talk about. I remember going back many decades someone threw up a statistic during a Vikings/49ers playoff game. That the Vikings gave up the 2nd least amount of points and least amount of yards. They had the #1 Defense. The other guy said, yeah, they didn't play the 49ers. As they were moving the ball at will against them. Game wasn't even close, but the statistic is what it is.
 
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Rayman70 said:
he hand picked Tristan hill...just sayin, theres that. We owe Marinelli NUTHIN. Jerry owes him NUTHIN. He reaped what he sowed.
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He got played with Hill and that's forgivable. Marinelli is a bit of a softie when it comes to players, his favorite was Nick Hayden, all because of effort. With Hill, one of his former players, Scott Frost, got to him with a sad story of the kid they left behind on is way to Nebraska and Marinelli took it hook, line and sinker, took the kid under his wing and believed that all he needed was a chance. He looked at the film and saw two players and sold himself on the the one he wanted him to be.

Once he realized he'd been played by the player, he no longer took up for him, he laid it all back on him.

I am not qualified to judge coaching because there are too many variables at play and what may seem obvious, really isn't.

I do think that with the right talent, Marinelli is a good DLC because he's done that. I do not think he was a good DC but I also do not believe he had a lot of talent to work with and a lack of it to overcome.
 
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Marinelli May deserve an apology from some here
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Yes. Truly, the shutdown defenses cobbled together by Marinelli during his years in charge of that side of the ball were an unappreciated gem. If only the offense has been able to do its part, the defenses could have carried the team to multiple Super Bowls.

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Couldn’t be real, because our #1 pass rush never generated turnovers, let alone sacks. It was basically bend-don’t-break...
 
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Johnny23 said:
No. He was here and apart of the debacle that was bringing in himself and his mentor Monti Koffin. He stayed on and he continued to be part of the problem on defense. I agree and have said everyone was part of the issues with this team. But to pretend like the vitriol he received was not dating back to the Kiffin debacle is disingenuous. Because it has everything to do with before he was demoted to just dlc.
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I don't remember the vitriol back then like he got the last 2 years. in fact his defenses has been ranked around average.
 
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PhillyCowboysFan said:
But 19th in sacks and 11th in rush defense. I am not sure how an apology is required because the unit was number in some sort of ranking from a thousand different PFW rankings. Let alone all of his DL draftees has failed under his supposed guru tutelage.
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again, what is the secondary doing? if the dL is winning in 2.5 seconds or less.
 
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Rod’s input hurt us on draft days.....I know that much.

Either way, I’ll be curious to see New Yorks’s offense improves with Garrett and Oakland’s D with Marinelli
 
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Cowboys22 said:
This makes him look worse in my mind. He had the talent and players winning against the man in front of them but his scheme was so bad that it didn’t matter and didn’t produce the results it should have. The previous coaching staff was so dysfunctional that they allowed the front 7 and back 4 to play schemes that didn’t mesh. No one deserves praise for what masqueraded as coaching in Dallas over that last several seasons.
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I'll say it again, he was pretty much demoted to DL and they were winning in 2.5 seconds or less, what was the secondary doing, especially being in man coverage a lot. what it tells you is the qb was either being forced or just getting the ball out extremely quick.
 
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Dre11 said:
Just heard on 105 3 the fan RJ choppy quote a stat that said the Cowboys pass rush win rate what's 53% which ranked number one in the league. For those who adore Analytics and stats, by this Marinelli may be owed an apology.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...s-rushing-rankings-2019-pbwr-prwr-leaderboard
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Marinelli had to work with peanuts for a cap on the defense and still had us top 10 pretty much years in year out.
Another long line of whipping boys to excuse our ineptness on offense!
Kellen be ready as you're the next excuse, whipping boy coach!
 
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HanD said:
True but imo wm gets more passes in the personnel dept because of all the good things he's done. Rod stood on the table for 2 disappointments in a row in the area of the defense he directly coached and took pride in.
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and also Demarcus Lawerence, I'm sure he wanted Quinn and McCoy last season per McCoy himself.
 
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CowboyRoy said:
I don't see how that would excuse the 7 years of horror and the horrible drafting that was a direct result of Marinelli's advice.

Oh wait...……….I just noticed who the OP was. Makes sense now.
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You think Marinelli was the only one making defensive draft for 7 years? yeah you're dumb.
every draft according to the fo have been the result of a collaborative effort, including the praised McClay who does his own scouting as well.
 
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Dre11 said:
and also Demarcus Lawerence, I'm sure he wanted Quinn and McCoy last season per McCoy himself.
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and? we could also point to him ignoring a fat 1tech his whole tenure here which made our run d suffer. he ran with the golden cock for how long holding on that he was good as a starter? he did some good things here but he was one of the more highly paid DC in the league. you get paid and the expectations should be elevated. he made okay guys out of bums but was stubborn and refused to adapt. He basically wasted our highest pick in two drafts because he wanted these guys for his crew and they didn't work out. in fact HE quickly put them in his doghouse. I'm not going to keep piling on him but he deserves zero apologies.
 
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dogunwo said:
IMO defensive tackle has been the biggest failure of this team defensively for the last 10 year. Even more so than safety.
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In that it is a more important position. But safety has been probably the worst players there. Last year the DT's were the worst I have EVER seen.
 
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Dre11 said:
You think Marinelli was the only one making defensive draft for 7 years? yeah you're dumb.
every draft according to the fo have been the result of a collaborative effort, including the praised McClay who does his own scouting as well.
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If you had any credibility, I might feel inclined to respond more. But you don't...………………….AND you basically got your stones handed to you by the rest of the board already on this thread.
 
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