Jerry/Stephen royally screwed up again

Fastpitch Dad · Jul 16, 2020

ScipioCowboy said:
Man, some posters just love to hate the team. I don’t know why they’re even fans

Because someone doesn't believe their QB is worth that kind of money means they hate the team? Would you care to explain the logic behind that because it makes no sense to me.

Their opinion is that the team could be better without paying a king's ransom for a player they do not think is worth it. Seems to me that shows they care a lot for the team.

Doomsday · Jul 16, 2020

Disagree, Jerry finally decided not to overpay a good but not great player. Dak wants top 5 player money when he is closer to a top 12 talent.

Swagger · Jul 16, 2020

fivetwos said:
Yep, that's very much how I see this going.

I'm not sure if I'm happy about it or not, but I dont see why he is being written off.

Unless Prescott is willing to take a haircut on salary (which would be completely contrary to how he has conducted these negotiations to date) or if we win the Superbowl next season he's done in Dallas.

fivetwos · Jul 16, 2020

Big D said:
How so? He plays on the tag this season and gets the deal done next year. No big deal.

Yep, that's very much how I see this going.

I'm not sure if I'm happy about it or not, but I dont see why he is being written off.

Playmaker3128 said:
I fail to see how they messed up. They aren’t idiots. Dak has a world of talent around him... and he still struggled vs good teams.

they offered him a more than reasonable deal. Dak is betting on himself.If Dak can’t lead us on a deep playoff run with this roster he doesn’t deserve top qb money. If he does then he can get a big contract.

The same fans that are saying “sign him”. Would be the same ripping JJ and Stephen if he falls flat on his face with a big deal.

you can’t have it both ways. The cowboys made a decision based on logic here and I don’t blame them.

They messed up by using the exclusive tag on him, and at the same time knowing what the agent was looking for, yet not being ready to meet the numbers.

They should have recognized this would get ugly, used the non exclusive tag on him, and his market value would not be such a debate.

Either they could have matched the deal, or collected two firsts (and been in a nice spot to maybe land Fields).

Now, they have the worst of each situation.

glimmerman · Jul 16, 2020

Looks like the money offered was top 2. So why was Dak himself scrambling to get the deal done right before the deadline. The FO didn’t screw up, Daks agent screwed up. I wonder if his agent even told him what the offer was. 70 million in the first 2 years. 50 million dollar signing bonus. Sounds like a fair deal. Dak will fire his agent.

Fastpitch Dad · Jul 16, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Hater!

I think his favored term is "troll".

cowboyed · Jul 16, 2020

First of all Dak is not an average quarterback. Average is not inside a Top 10 quarterback range. If he was average the Cowboys wouldn't have franchise tagged him and be willing to pay him the required 31.4 million for one year! That would make the entire organization and even Mike McCarthy look stupid. So no need to diminish his abilities but do question his sanity for not taking the Cowboys latest offer.

Dak is a very good quarterback but not yet championship level or elite proven. But that applies to parts of our team as well, like our defense and special team for examples. The Cowboys have the entire team to think about and the salary cap to manage. I think this could turn into a lose-lose situation for both Dak and the Cowboys.

But as much as I like Dak, I love the Cowboys more. I don't feel sorry for Dak. He will be making $1.8 million a game. Dak could retire on that alone after quarterbacking several games and live highly comfortable lifelong.

And as far as Dak's parasitic meal ticket brother goes who gives a tweeting frack if he doesn't want to root for the Cowboys.

sandbridge77 · Jul 16, 2020

Lol Rockport, pot meet kettle.

Stash · Jul 16, 2020

csirl said:
Here's why GM 101 says you dont sign a QB in Daks situation:

1. Risk the QB will not flourish in the new scheme or gel with the new coaching staff. Even a QB like Mahomes will not work out in every situation.
2. The team does not need to decide on Dak until early 2021, so why take the risk?
3. The impact of losing 100m in dead money is not manageable. The risk of paying an extra 4-5 m per annum if the price goes up is manageable.
4. The risk of the cap going down due to the economy. Need to save as much cap space in future years as we can.
5. The specific doubts about Dak - why make a decision now when it can wait?
6. The QB market is falling. Some teams are signing experienced starters for under 10m.
7. If Dak didnt work out, the effort of bringing in MM would be wasted.

The Cowboys FO made the sensible logical decision. Why criticize?

The only failing I see is not withdrawing the tag last month and offering a lower amount. Dak would not have gotten 30m plus anywhere else this close to the season and with the economic doubts. Would have had to settle for 10m - so Cowboys have lost 20m they coild have saved. This is what a hard nosed front office would do. Dak benefitted from JJ being loyal and decent to his players.

Fastpitch Dad · Jul 16, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
lol what would u have had them do?? give him whatever he wanted?
He isnt mahomes, and with the situation now and state of the nfl, dak was an idiot to not take this deal when it was offered.
It was more than he deserved.
But HE turned it down, and now he has to live with that.
And so do you.

I am not embarrassed to be a dallas fan now, I thought they would cave but they didnt, so I salute them on this last part.

Great post.

I don't get this narrative that somehow you're less of a fan because you don't feel Dak was worth that kind of money. I don't think Dak sucks, and he does do some things very well. But I don't think he can put a team on his back when needed.

jwitten82 · Jul 16, 2020

Its funny how Rockport hasn't responded to his own thread lol

Fastpitch Dad · Jul 16, 2020

csirl said:
Here's why GM 101 says you dont sign a QB in Daks situation:

1. Risk the QB will not flourish in the new scheme or gel with the new coaching staff. Even a QB like Mahomes will not work out in every situation.
2. The team does not need to decide on Dak until early 2021, so why take the risk?
3. The impact of losing 100m in dead money is not manageable. The risk of paying an extra 4-5 m per annum if the price goes up is manageable.
4. The risk of the cap going down due to the economy. Need to save as much cap space in future years as we can.
5. The specific doubts about Dak - why make a decision now when it can wait?
6. The QB market is falling. Some teams are signing experienced starters for under 10m.
7. If Dak didnt work out, the effort of bringing in MM would be wasted.

The Cowboys FO made the sensible logical decision. Why criticize?

The only failing I see is not withdrawing the tag last month and offering a lower amount. Dak would not have gotten 30m plus anywhere else this close to the season and with the economic doubts. Would have had to settle for 10m - so Cowboys have lost 20m they coild have saved. This is what a hard nosed front office would do. Dak benefitted from JJ being loyal and decent to his players.

One of the most thought out posts I've read on here. I agree with every word.

basel90 · Jul 16, 2020

OmerV said:
If that’s true then a lot of teams will be crippled. Eagles. Seattle. Rams. Vikings. Others to come.

Yes , that’s a factor why all these teams have not won Super Bowls . Seattle could be the exception as they actually have an elite QB , who Dak comically thinks he should be paid more than Wilson . What a joke Dak and his agent are .

Stash · Jul 16, 2020

Fastpitch Dad said:
I think his favored term is "troll".

No, it's definitely hate. It's in every post he makes and clearly permeates every part of him. He brings that hate with him everywhere he goes. But he's clearly not intelligent enough to now see his own hypocrisy.

Stash · Jul 16, 2020

jwitten82 said:
Its funny how Rockport hasn't responded to his own thread lol

Don't look a gift Horse in the mouth.
:laugh:

Fastpitch Dad · Jul 16, 2020

OmerV said:
Come back when you grow up little boy. 4900 + yards isn’t possible if a QB can’t hit a target.

I do not agree with you very often on here but I do respect you for being a good poster. You usually have a valid argument for your opinion. But I was a little take aback to see you resort to name-calling. You're certainly entitled to do so, but it's not a good look for a respected poster.

glimmerman · Jul 16, 2020

This all came down to his agent wanting more than his worth. Contract offer was in line between goff and Wilson. Would have made him close to if not the #2 paid QB.

70 million in 2 years isn’t chump change. 35 a year is wilson money per year. 110 guaranteed.

Why was Dak on the phone trying to do his agents job. If that was true then I bet Dak fires him. He was gonna settle for the contract is what I didn’t want to hear. That lets me know Dak wanted more than Wilson. You havent been to a SB yet so don’t expect to be paid like one. But the truth is that he was being offered SB QB money. I bet a deal gets done next season.

TheMarathonContinues · Jul 16, 2020

12+88=7 said:
There is the difference you don't see.

You and others in the fanbase believe that Prescott is a franchise QB, but Dallas doesn't. That's what you have to wrap your head around.

You need to start seeing the situation as it really is not what you would like it to be.

This is what YOU don't see. What you and others fail to realize is that Stephen and Jerry are the ones who told us he was a franchise quarterback. If they were lying and didn't feel that way then why are they doing this? End this now. They should've been trying to find his replacement and it ain't no damn Ben Dinucci or whatever the hell his name is. Actually get a real prospect in here.

TheMarathonContinues · Jul 16, 2020

Fastpitch Dad said:
I do not agree with you very often on here but I do respect you for being a good poster. You usually have a valid argument for your opinion. But I was a little take aback to see you resort to name-calling. You're certainly entitled to do so, but it's not a good look for a respected poster.

When he resorts to name calling which is RARE its probably because the poster warranted it.

Stash · Jul 16, 2020

glimmerman said:
This all came down to his agent wanting more than his worth. Contract offer was in line between goff and Wilson. Would have made him close to if not the #2 paid QB.

70 million in 2 years isn’t chump change. 35 a year is wilson money per year. 110 guaranteed.

Why was Dak on the phone trying to do his agents job. If that was true then I bet Dak fires him. He was gonna settle for the contract is what I didn’t want to hear. That lets me know Dak wanted more than Wilson. You havent been to a SB yet so don’t expect to be paid like one. But the truth is that he was being offered SB QB money. I bet a deal gets done next season.

Here's the part I'm struggling with.

At this point, Dak has decided against signing a long term contract in 2019, instead choosing to play for the 2 million-whatever he made. So even if the offer on the table was for $25-$30 million a year, that's still $23-$28 million he's missed out on for that year.

And now he's reportedly turned down another deal that would have paid him $70 million over the next two years. But if the Cowboys tagged him again, it would cost them $37 million. So adding up $31 million this year, and $37 million next year, he's still making $68 million, again less than what he was offered.

Look like money lost that will never be recouped to me.

Jerry/Stephen royally screwed up again

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