Thoughts on what could happen with Dak

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BTW, something like 4 of the 5 top first round picks from the draft are represented by CAA and they are unsigned. The previous year, 7 of the top 10 players went usigned late into the process and as you may have imagined, CAA also represented them. This is what CAA does. Lots of teams don't like CAA and I would not be surprised to see teams forgo drafting or signing CAA reped players, in future. It's happened before.
 

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Well, if you reverse that, then you have to say that France and CAA are no longer representing because A. CAA doesn't do those kinds of deals. It hurts their brand. They want to land the biggest contract and then use that to pick up other Clients. B. The Pats will not sign a player that is represented by CAA, I'm betting. They just don't do that stuff.

So if you are going to do that to sign with the Pats, then why not just do that with the Cowboys and stay in Dallas, where he can make much more money off the field?

IF Dak want to play for Pats, it's his decision, even if it means firing CAA, so if it comes to losing their representation, so be it. Remember I said similar money........
 

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I think it could go a few ways.

Dak jives with the new offense and Coach then signs a new deal next year with Dallas

Dak plays on the tag and protects himself, thinking all he’s got to do is stay safe. Don’t see Him running any more of those read options

After the tag next year Dallas’ offer goes down, no tag is offered, and Dak walks. In this one I hope he would do well with another team, but going to NE or one of those outdoor stadiums it might be tough for him (his arm strength is the question here). I could see Dak going to New Orleans to take over for brees. I think Dak would play well in the right situation...maybe in Indy or even the 49ers to compete with Garapolo.

*After writing this I talked myself into thinking Dak wants to go somewhere and win (with an indoor stadium): New Orleans, Indy, 49ers. He should have no problem getting $100m guaranteed for 4 years somewhere else + the $30m on the tag this year...so there’s no way he would sign for only 100m guaranteed with Dallas, that’s a joke offer.

Indy is the logical fit for Dak. They have a tone of cap next year, they are a running team, they have a great young OL and he fits what they like to do. Indy is the place that I think his skills, his contract requirements and his available talent works, to me.
 

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THATS RIGHT. ALSO, this waiting til the last hour stuff has to end at some point lol. Running out of time is BS. I do not buy it.They had 2 years!! Dak had 2 years! To get this thing done. SOMEBODY IS LYING AND I THINK ITS ALL OF THEM,ON ALL SIDES. THEY ALL BUNGLED IT.
Well SJ called the agent and had Dak called him. Much like D-Law contract. Don’t know if someone like the agent made him late calling or Dak being late. Or SJ trying to put him under pressure. Don’t think it was SJ. He offers the same money just given out different. I smell a france rat. He is banking on Dak going deep and getting another shot at 40 million a year. Gonna be the same thing next year. And if I am JJ I do the same thing. Make a very fair offer and tag him. Call again in the morning of the deadline or the day before.
 

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I've already had a friend who is a NE fan that is already talking about NE signing Dak next season. I hate the drama of the Cowboys sometimes. Jerry looks as this stuff as a positive I believe. Personally I think it's distracting to the team.
I am on the fence about Daks best.

Have we seen it or not?

Dak bets NO which is what he should as a QB.

But there is a lot more in motion this season than Dak.

New HC, new staff that is unproven, can Moore elevate his playcalling to make us the threats we should be with the ball, scoring more than 21 pts a game to win our games or keep us within striking distance to win it late.

This plus a defense that has no track record for success now for years.

Dak is not the "force multiplier" he thinks he is.

He will need all the players playing 60 minutes a game to improve.

Not just Dak.

Just my thoughts.
 

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IF Dak want to play for Pats, it's his decision, even if it means firing CAA, so if it comes to losing their representation, so be it. Remember I said similar money........

No. It's the Patriots decision, not Daks. And for the record, the Pats would not pay Dak similar money to play QB long term IMO. They wouldn't pay Brady that kind of money and lets just be honest here, Brady was light years better. Just saying.......
 

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If we trade him don’t we get to lay the full tag amount against our salary cap this year?

if that’s the case it ain’t happening
That's the difference? You can't spend it on anyone anyway at this point. You're done with that can hit in six months.
 

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They found out yesterday that the money wasn’t changing but they changed the way he was to get it. And boom all the sudden he saw that 50 million up front and would have signed that. So...

Now JJ knows to open the next negotiations with a big number signing bonus. If he is flopping this year then maybe trade him and being in Dalton. At that point Dak will become a backup and his agent cost him 100 million dollars by pulling the deal after game 3.. Daks big pay day will have been 31 million and then back up money unless a team wants him for less money than was offered yesterday.

What I think happens is we get better this year and make a run in the playoffs, how deep I don’t know. So then we go back to the table and Daks agent starts over again wanting the actual 45 million this time. We come back at 38 with a big signing bonus. If we settle for 38-40 then his agents plan worked. If we can’t settle then we tag him again for 37 and see if he signs the tag. Some of the offer and ask may hinge on what watson and jackson does and gets offered this year. If they take team friendly deals it will be great. Maybe they sign for 37-38.

Daks agent can’t make up the money he has lost him. I hope he fires france and gets a agent that’s a little more reasonable.
I always like your slants.

You are one of the more cerebral fans here.

I think the big dramas with Dak are over. I do not think the FO is going to keep going thru this again next year and then maybe again the year after that.

The financial impact of the virus is going to erode the cap and less money is going to be available to pay out escalating demands from Dak.

That's the realistic future.

Once Jackson and Watson receive their deals, Dak's price goes up and we are done flirting with paying him. Unless we just miss a SB appearance they decide the 2nd Tag is worth it.

At somepoint the team has to plan for post Dak. We will need a young QB or a guy like Brady to be signed who can take what is left of our roster and make the final run if Dak is out of the picture.

My down side of that is we would need to really crash and burn to get a high draft pick to find our new QB.

None of which none of us really want to endure after 25 years of failure.

:huh:
 
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I always like your slants.

You are one of the more cerebral fans here.

I think the big dramas with Dak are over. I do not think the FO is going to keep going thru this again next year and then maybe again the year after that.

The financial impact of the virus is going to erode the cap and less money is going to be available to pay out escalating demands from Dak.

That's the realistic future.

Once Jackson and Watson receive their deals, Dak's price goes up and we are done flirting with paying him. Unless we just miss a SB appearance they decide the 2nd Tag is worth it.

At somepoint the team has to plan for post Dak. We will need a young QB or a guy like Brady to be signed who can take what is left of our roster and make the final run if Dak is out of the picture.

My down side of that is we would need to really crash and burn to get a high draft pick to find our new QB.

None of which none of us really want to endure after 25 years of failure.

:huh:

Thanks,

If we go away from Dak we will need to trade a draft away to move up and get a new young QB. And I am not sure about doing that for a player that’s never played a down. Maybe after this year or next there maybe a QB on another team we maybe able to trade to get.

If this year happens then he is gambling big time on himself. And gambling on the team and new staff around him to make this team get to the playoffs. We will have a better ST and the Defense will have growing pains unless Marinelli and Richard really was screwing up and using the talent wrong. Lol.

Am figuring we will be back at the table making a offer after the season. We want to keep him, but as you said it goes up next year. Unless watson and jackson don’t sign next year or get a team friendly deal around the 37 a year range then we may tag him again. Or offer 37-38 a year if we go to the playoffs in MM first year.
 

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Thanks,

If we go away from Dak we will need to trade a draft away to move up and get a new young QB. And I am not sure about doing that for a player that’s never played a down. Maybe after this year or next there maybe a QB on another team we maybe able to trade to get.

If this year happens then he is gambling big time on himself. And gambling on the team and new staff around him to make this team get to the playoffs. We will have a better ST and the Defense will have growing pains unless Marinelli and Richard really was screwing up and using the talent wrong. Lol.

Am figuring we will be back at the table making a offer after the season. We want to keep him, but as you said it goes up next year. Unless watson and jackson don’t sign next year or get a team friendly deal around the 37 a year range then we may tag him again. Or offer 37-38 a year if we go to the playoffs in MM first year.
I agree.

Even the second Tag will be affordable and probably good business to do it.

But that 3rd one?

Not unless we are a whisker from winning it all when that time comes.

I am sort of done with the mental gymnastics of the speculations about contracts, etc.

That we are even going to see a season looks seriously in doubt with all the outbreaks of the virus.

Right now I am in a hospital awaiting an elective surgery to be done so I can go home. This virus is very real.

Everybody use caution.
 

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I agree.

Even the second Tag will be affordable and probably good business to do it.

But that 3rd one?

Not unless we are a whisker from winning it all when that time comes.

I am sort of done with the mental gymnastics of the speculations about contracts, etc.

That we are even going to see a season looks seriously in doubt with all the outbreaks of the virus.

Right now I am in a hospital awaiting an elective surgery to be done so I can go home. This virus is very real.

Everybody use caution.
I didn’t even know about a 3rd tag until all this started.

I agree about being over this, was hoping they would work something good for both sides and this would be done for 4 years. But it didn’t so at least we can be done for this year. Dak and the FO will kiss and make up or make it look that way.

I think there maybe a season but one where very little fans will be allowed and I mean just a small amount, not just little people only. Lol. Also this will be a season where you better have depth. If a player catches it they will be out for 6 weeks or so. Next man up will be needed to get through the season. Watch us make the SB and one of the starting QB catches it and can’t play.

I live in Florida and our little town has went to mandatory masks. We knew when everyone got out and around each other this was gonna spread.

I hope everything goes well with your surgery. Take care of yourself.
 

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I've already had a friend who is a NE fan that is already talking about NE signing Dak next season. I hate the drama of the Cowboys sometimes. Jerry looks as this stuff as a positive I believe. Personally I think it's distracting to the team.
I've thought a lot about Dak leaving Dallas and where he could sign that would give him the same team visibility/sponsorship opportunity and chance to win that he has now, and the only teams that really fit those criteria are NE and Pittsburgh. I just can't see either of them offering Dak the pile of money he seems to want. Chicago is a storied franchise and I guess Dak returning the Bears to glory would be a great story but I think the team is more than a QB away. The only team with the cache to rival Dallas and the willingness to give Dak the big money I think is the Raiders. Not sure about their OL but they have some good young offensive skill players to sell him as well as a brand new stadium and the glitz of Las Vegas. He'd just have to be ok with losing for a while. This is two years down the road though so who knows.
 

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All I know is his Days are numbered here unless he humbles himself, fires France, and takes our fair offer
Now he is going to insist on a three year deal instead of four...

And apparently the team has no flexibility with a four year term, so I'm not sure this gets any easier.

The agent simply wants it both ways...wants to be paid now AND cash in later also.

None of it adds up for me anyway. I cant keep saying it. He is going to have to win big time to cash in again, and Jerry should have no issue paying him in that case. If he doesnt, time to part ways.

I just dont see why a 7-8 year deal couldn't be worked out with outs for both sides if it isnt working.
 

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I've thought a lot about Dak leaving Dallas and where he could sign that would give him the same team visibility/sponsorship opportunity and chance to win that he has now, and the only teams that really fit those criteria are NE and Pittsburgh. I just can't see either of them offering Dak the pile of money he seems to want. Chicago is a storied franchise and I guess Dak returning the Bears to glory would be a great story but I think the team is more than a QB away. The only team with the cache to rival Dallas and the willingness to give Dak the big money I think is the Raiders. Not sure about their OL but they have some good young offensive skill players to sell him as well as a brand new stadium and the glitz of Las Vegas. He'd just have to be ok with losing for a while. This is two years down the road though so who knows.
Do you think the Raiders would view Prescott as much of an improvement over Carr?
 

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Now he is going to insist on a three year deal instead of four...

And apparently the team has no flexibility with a four year term, so I'm not sure this gets any easier.

The agent simply wants it both ways...wants to be paid now AND cash in later also.

None of it adds up for me anyway. I cant keep saying it. He is going to have to win big time to cash in again, and Jerry should have no issue paying him in that case. If he doesnt, time to part ways.

I just dont see why a 7-8 year deal couldn't be worked out with outs for both sides if it isnt working.
Yeah people need to get used to the idea that Dak is leaving. If the whole Dak strategy was about length of contract then even signing a 4 year deal next year wouldn’t make sense.

Jerry will either have to pay him absolute top dollar or he is going to walk, whether it’s next season or the year after. It will be interesting because maybe we pay Dalton ~27 million a year and just keep putting good players around him. We have options, I just have a hard time seeing how Dak will apart of them right now.
 

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Yes, the GM/HC who never paid Brady top dollar is going to pay Dak 40 mill/year? LOL

If Dak signs in NE, he will sign for no more than 30 mill/year and be “happy” at the “respect “ shown to him by NE and be “upset” at the “disrespect “ shown to him by the Cowboys
When you have a recent history of winning multiple titles some players will take less.
 
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