How many consecutive years can you tag the same player?

CowboyinMD · Jul 16, 2020

I'm starting to look at the negotiations a little differently..

Sure, there's an impasse, but assuming they play in 2020 and assuming (again) a long term deal isn't done, Dallas can tag Dak again in 2021, meaning around 68 mil in two years. Not necessarily a sign that the FO is willing to move on from Dak. And as for Dak, not a bad chunk of change for a couple of seasons for someone "without a contract".

I'm willing to see how this plays out. Heck, if there's no 2020 season, than Dallas looks *real* smart because (a) the salary cap will plunge and (b) they can franchise him in '21 and '22 instead of '20 and '21.

Back to my original question...can he be franchised again for a 3rd straight year? Dak will be pushing 30 by then: we'll know how expendable he is (...or not).

Displaced Cowboy · Jul 16, 2020

I believe they can tag him a 3rd time but it is pretty cost prohibitive. Believe the # I recall is ~$54 million.

Blackspider214 · Jul 17, 2020

Washington tagged Cousins 2 years in a row. He made tons of money and more than he would had he signed their deal they had offered him. It worked out for him perfectly. Year 2 will be much more than year 1 and year 3 would just be stupid money.

It was always in Dak's best interest to play for the tag this year.

OmerV · Jul 17, 2020

Blackspider214 said:
Washington tagged Cousins 2 years in a row. He made tons of money and more than he would had he signed their deal they had offered him. It worked out for him perfectly. Year 2 will be much more than year 1 and year 3 would just be stupid money.

It was always in Dak's best interest to play for the tag this year.

Not if he gets hurt or doesn’t play well. Right now he has $31 million guaranteed, but he would have much more guaranteed under a long term deal regardless of what happens.

Jfconrow · Jul 17, 2020

OmerV said:
Not if he gets hurt or doesn’t play well. Right now he has $31 million guaranteed, but he would have much more guaranteed under a long term deal regardless of what happens.

I thought about that, out of that 31m take 1-2 and get yourself an insurance policy that would pay out $100m.

OmerV · Jul 17, 2020

Jfconrow said:
I thought about that, out of that 31m take 1-2 and get yourself an insurance policy that would pay out $100m.

Of course, he could do that on a longer term contract too

gjkoeppen · Jul 17, 2020

CowboyinMD said:
I'm starting to look at the negotiations a little differently..

Sure, there's an impasse, but assuming they play in 2020 and assuming (again) a long term deal isn't done, Dallas can tag Dak again in 2021, meaning around 68 mil in two years. Not necessarily a sign that the FO is willing to move on from Dak. And as for Dak, not a bad chunk of change for a couple of seasons for someone "without a contract".

I'm willing to see how this plays out. Heck, if there's no 2020 season, than Dallas looks *real* smart because (a) the salary cap will plunge and (b) they can franchise him in '21 and '22 instead of '20 and '21.

Back to my original question...can he be franchised again for a 3rd straight year? Dak will be pushing 30 by then: we'll know how expendable he is (...or not).

There is no max times a player can be tagged unless it's specified in his last contract. The 1st tag is 120% of his last salary or the ave of the top 5 players at that position which ever is bigger. The 2nd tag is 144% of his last salary or the ave of top 5 players at his position whichever is higher. The 3rd year is 152% of his last salary or the ave of the top 5 players at his position which ever is higher. And so on and so on.
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aikemirv · Jul 17, 2020

You guys just really have no concept of the time value of money and why Dak is getting the short end of the stick the way he is doing it.

Dollars in March are not the same as dollars 17 weeks throughout the season. The dollars are the same value and the interest you could have earned on that signing bonus is completely lost.

Dak costing himself money EVERY day!

GhostOfPelluer · Jul 17, 2020

aikemirv said:
You guys just really have no concept of the time value of money and why Dak is getting the short end of the stick the way he is doing it.

Dollars in March are not the same as dollars 17 weeks throughout the season. The dollars are the same value and the interest you could have earned on that signing bonus is completely lost.

Dak costing himself money EVERY day!

How much of the guaranteed money was coming up front? Because guaranteed money doesn't mean it's a signing bonus.

big dog cowboy · Jul 17, 2020

aikemirv said:
You guys just really have no concept of the time value of money and why Dak is getting the short end of the stick the way he is doing it.

Somehow I fail to see how he is getting the short end of the stick when he is going to make $31M dollars this year.

That's stupid crazy money to play football 16 times a year plus playoffs.

McKDaddy · Jul 17, 2020

aikemirv said:
You guys just really have no concept of the time value of money

there are legitimate reasons you sacrifice future dollars for current dollars and even more reasons why there is a value to guaranteed money when you play a health related performance based sport.
Dak could have taken the offer last year & between the money he would have banked last spring & this spring plus his $50MM in endorsements been set for several generations. Money in his pocket or contractually owed him. Like winning a state lottery.
His age and the next broadcasting renewal would have still put him likely to get a big contract when that one expired. If he played lights out and\or won a SB before then he would get extended again even earlier. Either of those would be like winning a large Powerball lottery. Money he should never need but available nonetheless.

birdwells1 · Jul 17, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Somehow I fail to see how he is getting the short end of the stick when he is going to make $31M dollars this year.

That's stupid crazy money to play football 16 times a year plus playoffs.

This is the worst argument ever because its inevitably comparing it to a regular persons salary. If thats the case then he should've signed for 1 million dollars.

McKDaddy · Jul 17, 2020

GhostOfPelluer said:
How much of the guaranteed money was coming up front? Because guaranteed money doesn't mean it's a signing bonus.

I don't know the exact answer but I believe how the cash is distributed is negotiable with the primary concern being salary cap implications. Which is why so contracts are judged based on when cash is paid out & what is guaranteed not by the pure $'s that are thrown out there.

Whatever the exact $'s, he could have had a nice piece of change last spring & again this spring that would have been in his pocket now.

CowboyRoy · Jul 17, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Somehow I fail to see how he is getting the short end of the stick when he is going to make $31M dollars this year.

That's stupid crazy money to play football 16 times a year plus playoffs.

31 million for a part time job? Sounds great to me.

Manwiththeplan · Jul 17, 2020

Displaced Cowboy said:
I believe they can tag him a 3rd time but it is pretty cost prohibitive. Believe the # I recall is ~$54 million.

I don’t think there is any limit on the CBA, but eventually as you said, it’s cost prohibitive

CowboyRoy · Jul 17, 2020

birdwells1 said:
This is the worst argument ever because its inevitably comparing it to a regular persons salary. If thats the case then he should've signed for 1 million dollars.

Dak isn't a regular person? What is he some kind of super human? LOL

31 million for a part time job because you can run around a football field? Im all for owners cracking down on the union. Take back the sport.

Qcard · Jul 17, 2020

CowboyinMD said:
I'm starting to look at the negotiations a little differently..

Sure, there's an impasse, but assuming they play in 2020 and assuming (again) a long term deal isn't done, Dallas can tag Dak again in 2021, meaning around 68 mil in two years. Not necessarily a sign that the FO is willing to move on from Dak. And as for Dak, not a bad chunk of change for a couple of seasons for someone "without a contract".

I'm willing to see how this plays out. Heck, if there's no 2020 season, than Dallas looks *real* smart because (a) the salary cap will plunge and (b) they can franchise him in '21 and '22 instead of '20 and '21.

Back to my original question...can he be franchised again for a 3rd straight year? Dak will be pushing 30 by then: we'll know how expendable he is (...or not).

The one where Prescott’s number put him in position to be the highest paid player in the NFL from 2020 through 2022. Which he will be if Dallas places the franchise tag on him for the next three years, at a tune of more than $123 million in guaranteed dollars. Salaries that are expected to break down into $31.4 million in 2020, $37.7 million in 2021 and $54.2 million in 2022.

https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/co...-now-and-why-he-may-exit-later-051415760.html

Hennessy_King · Jul 17, 2020

aikemirv said:
You guys just really have no concept of the time value of money and why Dak is getting the short end of the stick the way he is doing it.

Dollars in March are not the same as dollars 17 weeks throughout the season. The dollars are the same value and the interest you could have earned on that signing bonus is completely lost.

Dak costing himself money EVERY day!

Its not wise to dump 30 million all at once into investments at one time. It needs to be broken up to get maximum effectiveness with the timing of the markets and tax deferred vehicles. You talk about something you don't know anything about. Yes your $500 should be invested immediately. Its a different ball game with that type of bread

Qcard · Jul 17, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
31 million for a part time job? Sounds great to me.

Yep or Billions for a side piece business?
Sounds like robbery to me

Hennessy_King · Jul 17, 2020

McKDaddy said:
there are legitimate reasons you sacrifice future dollars for current dollars and even more reasons why there is a value to guaranteed money when you play a health related performance based sport.
Dak could have taken the offer last year & between the money he would have banked last spring & this spring plus his $50MM in endorsements been set for several generations. Money in his pocket or contractually owed him. Like winning a state lottery.
His age and the next broadcasting renewal would have still put him likely to get a big contract when that one expired. If he played lights out and\or won a SB before then he would get extended again even earlier. Either of those would be like winning a large Powerball lottery. Money he should never need but available nonetheless.

He actually would have made less money this year had he signed a long term contract last year. In terms of actual cash value. Also nfl contracts are not fully guaranteed so signing a big long term deal doesn't matter. It's the guaranteed money that matters. Dak is maximizing his $$'s. Everyone so quick to kick on these players for maximizing income but say nothing and support big corps that severely underpay and cut benefits to employees to maximize their profits.

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