Does Dak really want to be a Dallas Cowboy?

eastsideboy · Jul 16, 2020

PJTHEDOORS said:
Maybe You are still pulling for Kellen Moore to be the starting QB instead of Dak.

Kellen could get us to 8-8

plasticman · Jul 17, 2020

eastsideboy said:
Producing more. Really? What was his record last year..........we'll wait

Oh, that's right, I forgot the rulea. When the Cowboys win it was all those elite players Dak was fortunate to he playing with. And when they liose, well that was obviously Dak's fault.

reddyuta · Jul 17, 2020

Dak thought the FO would cave like they have done to every FA before him but they didnt,my own opinion is that a 4 or 5 ear deal wouldnt have made a big difference in the long run.

Captain-Crash · Jul 17, 2020

plasticman said:
Oh, that's right, I forgot the rulea. When the Cowboys win it was all those elite players Dak was fortunate to he playing with. And when they liose, well that was obviously Dak's fault.

nope, you got it wrong again. when we win it's all dak, and when we lose it's the team, the coaches, the refs, jerry, and any other bs they want to throw out.

plasticman · Jul 17, 2020

Captain-Crash said:
nope, you got it wrong again. when we win it's all dak, and when we lose it's the team, the coaches, the refs, jerry, and any other bs they want to throw out.

eastsideboy said:
Producing more. Really? What was his record last year..........we'll wait

I'll just let the two of you work this out.

MikeB80 · Jul 17, 2020

Sevenup3000 said:
The 2015 Dallas Cowboys (you know, the team prior to Dak arriving) had, a top 3 OL, a top 5 rushing attack, and a WR and TE group as good as the 2016 and 2017 Cowboys...and better than the 2018 WR group.

They even had the same coaching staff to boot. How did those starting NFL QBs do again?

This response makes no sense. The 2015 team started 2-0 then lost their qb and #1 wr plus they didnt resign demarco murray. So essentially they played without their three most prolific pieces on offense.

There is no way you can say the wr group in 15 was as good as 16. Adding zeke and ron leary into the mix was huge on offense.

The 2016 year was the culminating season in a team that was being built to make a run with aging stars in Smith, Romo, Bryant, Witten, Free. There was a lot of emotion and want to in the organization to make up for the 15 season and the dez play in green bay from 14. Everything that could go wrong went wrong in 15 and the organization was highly motivated to prove everyone wrong.

16 was the endgame of the building of the line and offense that started in 13. A lot of heartache and close wins and losses went into that season.

Hypotenoose · Jul 17, 2020

Floatyworm said:
Funny how everyone assumes he wants to be here....What if he is just playing out the string so he can hit free agency? Maybe he doesn't like the pressure of being the QB of America's team. I'm starting to think maybe he just doesn't want to be here after all....and all this posturing is just to save face.

I mean....who would really want to be apart of this circus anyway? We haven't won a Super Bowl in 25 years...so players know as long as Jerry is in control....the chances of him getting it right...are slim.

Comments?

Perhaps not. It’s a high-pressure job much like the shortstop for the Yankees. I too have thought Dallas might just be more than he is comfortable with. The scrutiny is off the charts. That said, Dak’s played 4 seasons as the Cowboys starting QB and knows what it takes to handle the pressure. He seems well adapted to the media pressure, IMHO.

Sevenup3000 · Jul 18, 2020

khiladi said:
Zach Martin had a neck injury and Dez a high ankle sprain, Ron Leary only player 4 games because of injury and that top rushing game you claim was there, couldn’t do jack in the red zone. They were 9th in rushing yards, but 21st in scoring.

And before you say it is because of no Dak, they were 16th this year on red zone scoring and 22nd on the road. And they have Zeke who accounted for 12 TDs rushing. Teams were daring Dak to beat them in the red zone with his arm, while spying on Dak to prevent him from using his legs. Dak only has theee red zone TDs this year and one of them was a 42 yarder.

The reason for that 2018 group was because the Cowboys let go off Dez, because he was the scapegoat for Dak and the excuse was that Dez kept trying to force the ball to Dez. During the off-season even Dak said he doesn’t think a team needs a number 1.

So your claims are simply not true.

So I went back through the Cowboys at 49ers thread in 2016...you were in it. So you should know that Dez Bryant was injured for the beginning of 2016 too. Guess who won all their games even with Dez out of the lineup that year?

Dallas was 4.6 yards per rush in 2015 (5th in the NFL); 4.8 yards per rush in 2016 (3rd in the NFL). So again, Dallas was indeed a top 5 rushing offense in 2015.

As for whatever nonsense you asserted...lol.

Sevenup3000 · Jul 18, 2020

MikeB80 said:
This response makes no sense. The 2015 team started 2-0 then lost their qb and #1 wr plus they didnt resign demarco murray. So essentially they played without their three most prolific pieces on offense.

There is no way you can say the wr group in 15 was as good as 16. Adding zeke and ron leary into the mix was huge on offense.

The 2016 year was the culminating season in a team that was being built to make a run with aging stars in Smith, Romo, Bryant, Witten, Free. There was a lot of emotion and want to in the organization to make up for the 15 season and the dez play in green bay from 14. Everything that could go wrong went wrong in 15 and the organization was highly motivated to prove everyone wrong.

16 was the endgame of the building of the line and offense that started in 13. A lot of heartache and close wins and losses went into that season.

The only thing separating 2016 from being another 2015 was Dak Prescott. Actually it is worse because the NFCE was a lot better in 2016 than 2015.
Starting QB goes down early, Dez Bryant injured, same HC, same OC, same OL, same top 5 rushing offense, same TE, same star on helmet.

Yes, Dez Bryant was injured in 2016 for multiple games. You don't remember Dez Bryant being injured because Dak was able to win without him...but Dez Bryant was injured in 2016 too.

And once again, the Cowboys had a top five rushing offense in 2015 (ranked 5th) vs ranking 3rd in 2016. The rushing offense is not what caused Dallas to go from picking in the top 5 in the draft in 2015 to the top seed in the NFC a year later. It was going from having a team's QB play go from 30th in 2015 to 3rd in 2016.

MikeB80 · Jul 19, 2020

Sevenup3000 said:
The only thing separating 2016 from being another 2015 was Dak Prescott. Actually it is worse because the NFCE was a lot better in 2016 than 2015.
Starting QB goes down early, Dez Bryant injured, same HC, same OC, same OL, same top 5 rushing offense, same TE, same star on helmet.

Yes, Dez Bryant was injured in 2016 for multiple games. You don't remember Dez Bryant being injured because Dak was able to win without him...but Dez Bryant was injured in 2016 too.

And once again, the Cowboys had a top five rushing offense in 2015 (ranked 5th) vs ranking 3rd in 2016. The rushing offense is not what caused Dallas to go from picking in the top 5 in the draft in 2015 to the top seed in the NFC a year later. It was going from having a team's QB play go from 30th in 2015 to 3rd in 2016.

Again this is not true. yes bryant had an injury in 16 but not on the level of 15. He could barely run when he returned in 15. The running game put up some numbers in 15 but it was not the bell cow it was in 14 or 16. The teams three most prolific players Romo, Bryant and Murray were gone by week 3. Randle ended up injured also. It was nowhere near the same.

and again Dallas stuck two terrible qb's out there to replace Romo. So I guess your case is Dak Prescott is the savior because he was better than Matt Cassell and Brandon weeden.

When you lose your top 3 offensive players, then your star middle linebacker gets suspended before the season starts, your top corner goes to IR in training camp, then your young multi talented rb in lance dunbar who had a great start to the season goes to IR in week 4.

Essentially They didnt sign murray and planned to use Randle/Mcfadden and then dunbar to replace him. Week 1 dez breaks his foot, week 2 romo breaks his collarbone, week 4 dunbar tears his acl/mcl..then in week 6 Randle was injured and then went mental and got arrested.

throw in Hardy's nonsense and the season was a disaster. If you think the only difference between 15 and 16 was Dak Prescott you are being ignorant to the facts.

Sevenup3000 · Jul 20, 2020

MikeB80 said:
Again this is not true. yes bryant had an injury in 16 but not on the level of 15. He could barely run when he returned in 15. The running game put up some numbers in 15 but it was not the bell cow it was in 14 or 16. The teams three most prolific players Romo, Bryant and Murray were gone by week 3. Randle ended up injured also. It was nowhere near the same.

and again Dallas stuck two terrible qb's out there to replace Romo. So I guess your case is Dak Prescott is the savior because he was better than Matt Cassell and Brandon weeden.

When you lose your top 3 offensive players, then your star middle linebacker gets suspended before the season starts, your top corner goes to IR in training camp, then your young multi talented rb in lance dunbar who had a great start to the season goes to IR in week 4.

Essentially They didnt sign murray and planned to use Randle/Mcfadden and then dunbar to replace him. Week 1 dez breaks his foot, week 2 romo breaks his collarbone, week 4 dunbar tears his acl/mcl..then in week 6 Randle was injured and then went mental and got arrested.

throw in Hardy's nonsense and the season was a disaster. If you think the only difference between 15 and 16 was Dak Prescott you are being ignorant to the facts.

Who cares the level of injury...the fact is Dez Bryant missed 3 games completely in early 2016. According to you people, Dak Prescott, a throw away 4th rounder who can't even tie his own shoelaces without the "the most talented team ever" won 3 NFL games -- including at Green Bay -- without Dallas' No. 1 WR. And the only reason Dez missed so many games in 2015 is because the season became lost...otherwise if Dallas was able to win some games to keep their season alive Dez would have played in the last couple of games in 2015.

So you note that Romo, Dez, and Murray were all gone by week 3 in 2015...Guess what: Romo, Dez, and Murray were all gone by week 3 in 2016 too! And let's say that rookie Zeke is comparable to Murray...That STILL means that Dak...a rookie QB of "limited skills," per people like you, was throwing to a WR corps missing their best WR: Dez Bryant for those three games. Yet somehow a rookie led-Dak offense still managed to put up 24+ points and 400 yards of offense in each of those games without Dez...

You note that Dallas "stuck two terrible QBs out there to replace Romo"...Well per this board...Dallas stuck the terrible Dak Prescott out there in 2016 to replace Romo too. And let me remind you, in 2015 and the beginning of 2016, per this board, ONLY Tony Romo, or a top 5 QB in the NFL, could win with this roster. Remember when this board debated that Tony Romo deserved the MVP award over Cam Newton because 2015 proved that ONLY Romo or a great QB could win with this Dallas roster?

The 2016 Dallas roster ONLY became this "super team" AFTER Dak took over and started winning. Suddenly Dallas went from a "crap roster that only an elite QB like Romo could win with" to "any crap QB like Dak Prescott could win with this elite roster."

And once again, Dak Prescott was a 4th round rookie not even promised a game day roster spot in 2016. The fact that Dak, per this board and people like you, is soo deplete of talent that if he was on any other team he would already be out of the league, performed better than Cassel, who was slated to be the starter in Buffalo that season, and Weeden, a former first round pick, is impressive.

Not bad for a talent-less, low-round, after thought rookie QB.

Bullflop · Jul 20, 2020

It's tough to say whether or not Dak secretly harbors hard feelings over the way negotiations went in the offseason. Of course, he's publicly stating that he wants to be a Cowboys QB throughout his career but will the lure of extra millions playing for another team sway him? I suspect that's possible, judging by the way Dak and Todd France handled things during their talks with our FO. Perhaps we'll see about that in 2021. Anything can happen.

black label · Jul 20, 2020

MikeB80 · Jul 20, 2020

Sevenup3000 said:
Who cares the level of injury...the fact is Dez Bryant missed 3 games completely in early 2016. According to you people, Dak Prescott, a throw away 4th rounder who can't even tie his own shoelaces without the "the most talented team ever" won 3 NFL games -- including at Green Bay -- without Dallas' No. 1 WR. And the only reason Dez missed so many games in 2015 is because the season became lost...otherwise if Dallas was able to win some games to keep their season alive Dez would have played in the last couple of games in 2015.

So you note that Romo, Dez, and Murray were all gone by week 3 in 2015...Guess what: Romo, Dez, and Murray were all gone by week 3 in 2016 too! And let's say that rookie Zeke is comparable to Murray...That STILL means that Dak...a rookie QB of "limited skills," per people like you, was throwing to a WR corps missing their best WR: Dez Bryant for those three games. Yet somehow a rookie led-Dak offense still managed to put up 24+ points and 400 yards of offense in each of those games without Dez...

You note that Dallas "stuck two terrible QBs out there to replace Romo"...Well per this board...Dallas stuck the terrible Dak Prescott out there in 2016 to replace Romo too. And let me remind you, in 2015 and the beginning of 2016, per this board, ONLY Tony Romo, or a top 5 QB in the NFL, could win with this roster. Remember when this board debated that Tony Romo deserved the MVP award over Cam Newton because 2015 proved that ONLY Romo or a great QB could win with this Dallas roster?

The 2016 Dallas roster ONLY became this "super team" AFTER Dak took over and started winning. Suddenly Dallas went from a "crap roster that only an elite QB like Romo could win with" to "any crap QB like Dak Prescott could win with this elite roster."

And once again, Dak Prescott was a 4th round rookie not even promised a game day roster spot in 2016. The fact that Dak, per this board and people like you, is soo deplete of talent that if he was on any other team he would already be out of the league, performed better than Cassel, who was slated to be the starter in Buffalo that season, and Weeden, a former first round pick, is impressive.

Not bad for a talent-less, low-round, after thought rookie QB.

wow the lengths you guys go to prop up Dak prescott is crazy. Saying the 16 team wasn't good and only won because of Dak. Unbelievable.

and Romo should have been the mvp in 14.

Rayman70 · Jul 20, 2020

I am suspecting Dak may not want to be here in Dallas. Just me maybe. If that is the case, maybe Jerry should accommodate that. We all know what happens when a player mentally checks out on his team. IT NEVER GOES WELL.

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Flamma · Jul 20, 2020

Rayman70 said:
I am suspecting Dak may not want to be here in Dallas. Just me maybe. If that is the case, maybe Jerry should accommodate that. We all know what happens when a player mentally checks out on his team. IT NEVER GOES WELL.

Realistically, we really don't know how much he wants to be a cowboy. He may have thought Jerry was going to give in. That would throw everything into question. Now would be rather go elsewhere next year for 45 a year if the Cowboys don't match? Probably. Wanting to play for a team only goes so far.

MikeB80 · Jul 20, 2020

Flamma said:
Realistically, we really don't know how much he wants to be a cowboy. He may have thought Jerry was going to give in. That would throw everything into question. Now would be rather go elsewhere next year for 45 a year if the Cowboys don't match? Probably. Wanting to play for a team only goes so far.

I started rewatching the season the other day and during the broadcast of the Commanders game week 2, they said Dak is in a contract year but he has stated he won't ask for a big contract or the biggest contract until he wins a super bowl. I found that interesting. So either something changed during the season or he maybe wants to move on and play somewhere else.

Flamma · Jul 20, 2020

MikeB80 said:
I started rewatching the season the other day and during the broadcast of the Commanders game week 2, they said Dak is in a contract year but he has stated he won't ask for a big contract or the biggest contract until he wins a super bowl. I found that interesting. So either something changed during the season or he maybe wants to move on and play somewhere else.

I don't know that he asked to be highest paid, does anyone? I don't know what to think anymore. Because if he turned down over 100 million guaranteed for just over 31 million over a dispute in regards to 1 year in contract length, either he's an idiot, or there's something we don't know.

MikeB80 · Jul 20, 2020

Flamma said:
I don't know that he asked to be highest paid, does anyone? I don't know what to think anymore. Because if he turned down over 100 million guaranteed for just over 31 million over a dispute in regards to 1 year in contract length, either he's an idiot, or there's something we don't know.

well he turned it down because he wanted to get another contract in four years. At least that is my impression.

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