Would the Patriots have given Dak the deal he wants?

Jipper · Jul 18, 2020

Short answer : No

Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Any questions?

cowboyblue22 · Jul 18, 2020

Jipper said:
Short answer : No

Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Any questions?

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Frozen700 · Jul 18, 2020

Adreme said:
You are right. The other 10 who will be in the bidding in 2 years will be offering 40.

And they would be complete fools.

He will be the next Jamarcus Russell

#DontpayDak

jterrell · Jul 18, 2020

acr731 · Jul 18, 2020

jterrell said:

How many championships has that lead to in his 4 seasons? I'm not even going to consider the regular season pissing contest.

OmerV · Jul 18, 2020

acr731 said:
How many championships has that lead to in his 4 seasons? I'm not even going to consider the regular season pissing contest.

How many championships have all Zach Martins All-Pro selections lead to?

I know QB isn’t an exact comparison, but the point is it takes a team to win, and not winning doesn’t mean individual players are not very good or blocks to build on.

acr731 · Jul 18, 2020

OmerV said:
How many championships have all Zach Martins All-Pro selections lead to?

I know QB isn’t an exact comparison, but the point is it takes a team to win, and not winning doesn’t mean individual players are not very good or blocks to build on.

Is Zach Martin the one demanding to be the highest paid player in NFL history?

dckid · Jul 18, 2020

J12B said:
No.

They wouldn't have.

Brady always played on a team friendly deal and he's won 17 Superbowls.

Oh, and yes, I'm aware we are not the Patriots and not anything close to them.

Maybe this is the step towards the Patriot way. Still have a long ways to go, but at least it's a step.

I agree with you and disagree with you. The Cowboys not giving Dak the money is not us being like the Patriots. They could not agree on whether to pay him 35 million vs 37/38. 4 year contract vs 5/6 year contract.
This front office didn't just get intelligent overnight. The Cowboys are not smart enough to Zig while the league is zagging.
If they were really doing the Patriot way, they would have traded him last year or this off season while they could. We are just happy to have a high cap number with not guarantee for either side for more than a year.
If we were smart, we should have signed Cam earlier this offseason, we have Dalton which was a good signing. Us the remaining 20 some odd million and strengthen the rest of the team.
I don't agree with paying franchise altering money to good players... (Dak, Wentz, Goff, Cousins, Jimmy G.... players of this level). The rising cap has lifted the boat of these players. All thanks to Flacco & Sam Bradford.

Players like Manning, Brees, Favre, etc never took less than market value in their prime.

kevm3 · Jul 18, 2020

Players take less at winning organizations

75boyz · Jul 18, 2020

dckid said:
I agree with you and disagree with you. The Cowboys not giving Dak the money is not us being like the Patriots. They could not agree on whether to pay him 35 million vs 37/38. 4 year contract vs 5/6 year contract.
This front office didn't just get intelligent overnight. The Cowboys are not smart enough to Zig while the league is zagging.
If they were really doing the Patriot way, they would have traded him last year or this off season while they could. We are just happy to have a high cap number with not guarantee for either side for more than a year.
If we were smart, we should have signed Cam earlier this offseason, we have Dalton which was a good signing. Us the remaining 20 some odd million and strengthen the rest of the team.
I don't agree with paying franchise altering money to good players... (Dak, Wentz, Goff, Cousins, Jimmy G.... players of this level). The rising cap has lifted the boat of these players. All thanks to Flacco & Sam Bradford.

Players like Manning, Brees, Favre, etc never took less than market value in their prime.

Good post. I can appreciate the different perspective regarding the FO's historical intelligence or lack thereof, lol.
Also liked your opinions on the trading of Dak last year or this offseason and suggesting a Cam signing.
All of it to include the spreading remaining money saved to possible other signees would have been a net positive result. Although speculative and just an opinion, it was different. And I enjoyed it.

Go Cowboys

Captain-Crash · Jul 18, 2020

I seen Zach martin throwing in warmup, he looked as good as Dak.

khiladi · Jul 18, 2020

jterrell said:

Completely different era and Dak only did it one year. He only had three TDs on his legs this year and one of them was a 42 yarder, when he ‘became a passer”. He was 1-7 when throwing over 40 times in one game and the guy had Cooper seeing man coverage all day because of the running game. Hasn’t comeback from any half-time deficit all last season.

Dak has only two comebacks on the 50 top comebacks for Dallas and they all are from his first year. The deficit was 10 and 14 and against horrible teams, the Eagles (7-9) and 49ers (2-14).

Dak is hardly a good pocket passer. Any NFL QB can make throws when they have all day. It’s year four and he’s hardly shown he can do it when things haven’t gone his way.

Pape · Jul 18, 2020

There are a few things that need to be considered here... through out the years, Brady has always gotten his money... it might have never been the record setting, eye popping contracts that never really pay all the money out that we see all the time in the NFL... But he got paid top dollar... and he got every cent and more

The one thing that was always built into the Brady deals was flexibility... Usually after the first year of a deal played out there was a constant reworking of his contracts, lot of base salary conversion to bonuses and the like... so the guaranteed money grew as the years progressed into the deal... this allowed the Patriots greater financial flexibility ... this, combined with Bradys willingness to extend, meant there was never a huge cap reckoning of dead money, ( ala Drew Brees in New Orleans to deal with ) ... Patscap.com, though it hasn't been updated, really gives the best break down of his deals and subsequent moves

Looking thru his past contracts you see a lot of conversions ... the manipulation of the deals really can impact with the aav of the deal if its not property accounted for ... so what may look like a cheap year probably doesnt reflect bonus options and past conversions... money in hand is better than money tomorrow... Present Value of $1 if you know what that means... the whole time value of money thing, etc

So did he take team friendly deals? Yes. Absolutely.
Did he take fifty cents on the dollar? No, he did not. More like he took 90 to 95 cents on the dollar ...
...
and I do not believe for one second that he said "Oh I have Giselle at home, I don't need as much" ... He is much too competitive for that - It was more like "I want to win. If I take 11 million instead of 12 million, it gives me a better chance to win"

OmerV · Jul 18, 2020

acr731 said:
Is Zach Martin the one demanding to be the highest paid player in NFL history?

First, I responded to a post suggesting falling short of team success means a player can’t be a strong, worthwhile player, not if Dak was worth the pay he wanted, so your comment doesn’t fit as response to me.

Second, we don’t even know if Dak was asking for much, or really even any more than Goff or Wentz, much less Russell Wilson, or now Pat Mahomes. The hang up was supposedly more that the team wanted a 5 year deal while Wentz, Goff and Wilson got 4 year deals.

And third, Zach Martin I believe became the highest paid OG ever when he signed his last contract.

Frozen700 · Jul 18, 2020

Captain-Crash said:
I'd take an old Brady with our weapons instead of dak and our weapons.

Real talk.

To the question at hand.

Pats would of said 25 mill or kick rocks.

#DontpayDak

khiladi · Jul 18, 2020

It’s amazing that people think the salary cap will keep going up, as if economic growth is always upwards. The government just printed trillions to keep the economy from completely collapsing. This was the most massive intervention in history. There is a reason analysts have been using the word bubble for years now.

Even Jerry is in the energy sector and they got hammered. He put in close up 500 million in Comstock stock last year and they plummeted in May this year close to 40% this year. He has 1.1 billion dollars in investments in the company.

Last year when he signed Zeke, everything was rosy.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/05/14/why-comstock-resources-plummeted-36-at-the-open-on.aspx

https://www.foxbusiness.com/busines...gas-investment-helped-pay-for-ezekiel-elliott

Hoofbite · Jul 18, 2020

J12B said:
Don't waste your time then by being in a thread that you don't care about.

Reassess how you use your time.

Thanks for the life tip, but I like to waste my time. Don't we all? This is a message board. Whatever greater waste of time could there be than to argue over things we have absolutely no control over?

CowboyRoy · Jul 18, 2020

J12B said:
I've already been over this about 4 times.

This was after he had 3 Superbowl win, 2 Superbowl MVPs, a season with 50 TD passes with a 117 rating, and I'm sure a couple of other major accomplishments I'm missing.

Dak has had 2 good seasons in the league and nothing else.

See the difference?

So name the QB's that have had a better first 4 years then Dak in NFL history.

The difference is you don't know jack about QB play obviously.

CowboyRoy · Jul 18, 2020

khiladi said:
It’s amazing that people think the salary cap will keep going up, as if economic growth is always upwards. The government just printed trillions to keep the economy from completely collapsing. This was the most massive intervention in history. There is a reason analysts have been using the word bubble for years now.

Even Jerry is in the energy sector and they got hammered. He put in close up 500 million in Comstock stock last year and they plummeted in May this year close to 40% this year. He has 1.1 billion dollars in investments in the company.

Last year when he signed Zeke, everything was rosy.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/05/14/why-comstock-resources-plummeted-36-at-the-open-on.aspx

https://www.foxbusiness.com/busines...gas-investment-helped-pay-for-ezekiel-elliott

Whats really amazing is that a troll that thinks that Dak Prescott isn't good enough thinks that Andy Dalton is.

kskboys · Jul 18, 2020

dckid said:
I agree with you and disagree with you. The Cowboys not giving Dak the money is not us being like the Patriots. They could not agree on whether to pay him 35 million vs 37/38. 4 year contract vs 5/6 year contract.
This front office didn't just get intelligent overnight. The Cowboys are not smart enough to Zig while the league is zagging.
If they were really doing the Patriot way, they would have traded him last year or this off season while they could. We are just happy to have a high cap number with not guarantee for either side for more than a year.
If we were smart, we should have signed Cam earlier this offseason, we have Dalton which was a good signing. Us the remaining 20 some odd million and strengthen the rest of the team.
I don't agree with paying franchise altering money to good players... (Dak, Wentz, Goff, Cousins, Jimmy G.... players of this level). The rising cap has lifted the boat of these players. All thanks to Flacco & Sam Bradford.

Players like Manning, Brees, Favre, etc never took less than market value in their prime.

Cam? OMG, you've got to be kidding.

I agree w/ everything else in your post.

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