I am trying to do some rough math here

Redball Express · Jul 19, 2020

if the cap is $200 million in 2020 and it is normally projected to increase annually by 10%..

that means normally it would normally go up to in 2021 to $220 million.

if the proposed cap only increases by 30% that leaves...

(70% of $20,000,000 proposed increase in 2021.is $14,000,000 dollars lost.)

So the new cap for 2021 looks like $200,000,000 plus $6,000,000 adjusted cap

for a total of $206,000,000 total adjusted cap for 2021.

If the figure of our total contracts to be at $187,000,000 as of today for 2021 is correct..

$19,000,000 is available in proposed cap space I believe based on an adjusted cap of $206,000,000 for 2021.

I am lousy at math and surely I am missing something as you guys keep up with this stuff better than I..

But that seems like plenty of money to resign whom we have to keeping the team together plus some contracts could be extended and more money could factor in.

and if Dak decides to sign for less than his current asking price to gain financial security in a troubled world..

We should be in really good shape.

Agree or no?

I know you guys will tear this post apart but I am not looking for debate..just some sort of overall way to view all of this coming.

All I know is..if we win a SB or 2 because we had a FO that managed the money well, I do not want any asterisks by our name saying it is tainted or something like the strike shortened season of years back.

We can just donate a trophy to Will Clay and the FO, whatever.

For a team that has historically butchered the salary cap and probably prevented us from winning more than we should have..

I think I like this.

CalPolyTechnique · Jul 19, 2020

Rough math you say?

Where’s kaiser and xwalker?

Redball Express · Jul 19, 2020

Redball Express said:
if the cap is $200 million in 2020 and it is normally projected to increase annually by 10%..

that means normally it would normally go up to in 2021 to $220 million.

if the proposed cap only increases by 30% that leaves...

(70% of $20,000,000 proposed increase in 2021.is $14,000,000 dollars lost.)

So the new cap for 2021 looks like $200,000,000 plus $6,000,000 adjusted cap

for a total of $206,000,000 total adjusted cap for 2021.

If the figure of our total contracts to be at $187,000,000 as of today for 2021 is correct..

$19,000,000 is available in proposed cap space I believe based on an adjusted cap of $206,000,000 for 2021.

I am lousy at math and surely I am missing something as you guys keep up with this stuff better than I..

But that seems like plenty of money to resign whom we have to keeping the team together plus some contracts could be extended and more money could factor in.

and if Dak decides to sign for less than his current asking price to gain financial security in a troubled world..

We should be in really good shape.

Agree or no?

I know you guys will tear this post apart but I am not looking for debate..just some sort of overall way to view all of this coming.

All I know is..if we win a SB or 2 because we had a FO that managed the money well, I do not want any asterisks by our name saying it is tainted or something like the strike shortened season of years back.

We can just donate a trophy to Will Clay and the FO, whatever.

For a team that has historically butchered the salary cap and probably prevented us from winning more than we should have..

I think I like this.

Yeah..

I am terrible at the math and the ins and outs on this stuff.

But as we all shift to the days coming..

teams that have not planned well will be hurt badly.

We never have been very successful since the Salary Cap Era has begun.

To me, for all of Jerrah's flaws..irresponsible risk taking has hurt our team the most with the Salary Cap.

Now feels very different. The pandemic is even going to help us it looks to me for now.

jazzcat22 · Jul 19, 2020

If that is the case, and the cap is only reduced by $14,000 overall. Then it is not as bad as many may think.
So the 70% cut is on the yearly increase then? I thought it was a $70 million cut from other threads.

So which is it. Cap gurus's ?

Ranching · Jul 19, 2020

Redball Express said:
if the cap is $200 million in 2020 and it is normally projected to increase annually by 10%..

that means normally it would normally go up to in 2021 to $220 million.

if the proposed cap only increases by 30% that leaves...

(70% of $20,000,000 proposed increase in 2021.is $14,000,000 dollars lost.)

So the new cap for 2021 looks like $200,000,000 plus $6,000,000 adjusted cap

for a total of $206,000,000 total adjusted cap for 2021.

If the figure of our total contracts to be at $187,000,000 as of today for 2021 is correct..

$19,000,000 is available in proposed cap space I believe based on an adjusted cap of $206,000,000 for 2021.

I am lousy at math and surely I am missing something as you guys keep up with this stuff better than I..

But that seems like plenty of money to resign whom we have to keeping the team together plus some contracts could be extended and more money could factor in.

and if Dak decides to sign for less than his current asking price to gain financial security in a troubled world..

We should be in really good shape.

Agree or no?

I know you guys will tear this post apart but I am not looking for debate..just some sort of overall way to view all of this coming.

All I know is..if we win a SB or 2 because we had a FO that managed the money well, I do not want any asterisks by our name saying it is tainted or something like the strike shortened season of years back.

We can just donate a trophy to Will Clay and the FO, whatever.

For a team that has historically butchered the salary cap and probably prevented us from winning more than we should have..

I think I like this.

I'll give you like for trying.....

edmon · Jul 19, 2020

Agreed, you are terrible at math.................and reading comprehension.

Edit: too snarky, sorry. You need to go back to your source material and further review what was projected to be reduced by the 70%.

TonyS · Jul 19, 2020

It's time like these that I miss our resident capologist, AdamJT3. I think that was his username. His nickname was, "Stephen", as in Jerry's boy. Had all the numbers updated throughout the year, dead money, deferred, you name it, he was on top of it.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Jul 19, 2020

edmon said:
Agreed, you are terrible at math.................and reading comprehension.

If we struggle to understand someone's post it doesn't mean they're terrible at reading comprehension. It means they're terrible at writing comprehensively. But then again I guess those two things go hand and hand.
:muttley:

Redball Express · Jul 19, 2020

edmon said:
Agreed, you are terrible at math.................and reading comprehension.

Edit: too snarky, sorry. You need to go back to your source material and further review what was projected to be reduced by the 70%.

I have not seen any breakout of the cap revenue for 2021.

Only saw the $187,000,000 contract amount for Dallas from Capologist or Capology or whatever they are called..that was mention in another thread.

Nothing more was mentioned or I would have.

aria · Jul 19, 2020

If the season is shortened there should be an asterisk by whoever wins. Please spare me the “everyone has to play the same amount of games.”

If Dallas won the SB in a tainted season it would be legit but if Philthy or SF won then it’s not, right?

Rayman70 · Jul 19, 2020

so I stink at math too, but I been hearing the 2021 cap will decrease by a ton per each team...like a reset of sorts due to the uncertainty now, and the losses they stand to eat. If that holds, Either Dak takes a super bargain basement deal or he is for sure gone. So we will need to draft a guy and probably sign or trade for a vet.NO AVOIDING IT.

Redball Express · Jul 19, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
If we struggle to understand someone's post it doesn't mean they're terrible at reading comprehension. It means they're terrible at writing comprehensively. But then again I guess those two things go hand and hand.

Well..

trying to say it is always harder than just showing it.

I have not figured out how to do columns and cells and tables here or if that's possible with this editor or not which is what I wanted to post to make it easier.

So..

jazzcat22 · Jul 19, 2020

jazzcat22 said:
If that is the case, and the cap is only reduced by $14,000 overall. Then it is not as bad as many may think.
So the 70% cut is on the yearly increase then? I thought it was a $70 million cut from other threads.

So which is it. Cap gurus's ?

I meant $14 million, not $14,000

RodeoJake · Jul 19, 2020

aria said:
If the season is shortened there should be an asterisk by whoever wins. Please spare me the “everyone has to play the same amount of games.”

If Dallas won the SB in a tainted season it would be legit but if Philthy or SF won then it’s not, right?

That's the way I want it, and the way it shall be. The ungreat and non powerful me has decreed it.

tm1119 · Jul 19, 2020

jazzcat22 said:
If that is the case, and the cap is only reduced by $14,000 overall. Then it is not as bad as many may think.
So the 70% cut is on the yearly increase then? I thought it was a $70 million cut from other threads.

So which is it. Cap gurus's ?

There will be no season before the cap decreases by $70 million. Look at the committed $ for teams next year...you’d have owners cutting players and paying them to stay home just to get under a self imposed cap. It doesn’t help anyone. The $ is already spent on legally binding contracts, there’s no getting out of it. Owners will ask players to defer $ into the future as well as borrow $ from future “normal” years where there won’t be any cap increases despite profits being back up, if not higher.

Redball Express · Jul 19, 2020

Rayman70 said:
so I stink at math too, but I been hearing the 2021 cap will decrease by a ton per each team...like a reset of sorts due to the uncertainty now, and the losses they stand to eat. If that holds, Either Dak takes a super bargain basement deal or he is for sure gone. So we will need to draft a guy and probably sign or trade for a vet.NO AVOIDING IT.

I agree.

Dalton needs to be played some this season. We have to know if he can win for us.

If so, then he can play while we look for a young guy to groom.

As a team I wish we would quit trying to look for gold in a coal mine.

Romo was a mistake to stay with him for so long.

We are likely doing the same with Dak..another nugget Jerrah is trying to make into a Fairy Tale ending.

big dog cowboy · Jul 19, 2020

Redball Express said:
For a team that has historically butchered the salary cap

That's simply not true. The Cowboys are actually one of the better salary cap teams.

Redball Express · Jul 19, 2020

tm1119 said:
There will be no season before the cap decreases by $70 million. Look at the committed $ for teams next year...you’d have owners cutting players and paying them to stay home just to get under a self imposed cap. It doesn’t help anyone. The $ is already spent on legally binding contracts, there’s no getting out of it. Owners will ask players to defer $ into the future as well as borrow $ from future “normal” years where there won’t be any cap increases despite profits being back up, if not higher.

Interesting reply.

This..

"The $ is already spent on legally binding contracts, there’s no getting out of it."

not clear on that statement how you think this. There maybe legally binding contracts but if the profits are unavailable due to pandemic issues, then the obligation is disrupted.

I would suspect the owners have some sort of indemnity against loses but it will never replace the whole loss.

and players if they have good business managers will have insured their income against loss either thru injury loss or All Risk policies in the event of a work stoppage but those policies would be mucho expensive for most..

so I do not understand your comment about already spent money if the players have not been playing.

Not sure you really meant what you wrote there.

But thats neither here nor there.

tm1119 · Jul 19, 2020

Redball Express said:
Interesting reply.

This..

"The $ is already spent on legally binding contracts, there’s no getting out of it."

not clear on that statement how you think this. There maybe legally binding contracts but if the profits are unavailable due to pandemic issues, then the obligation is disrupted.

I would suspect the owners have some sort of indemnity against loses but it will never replace the whole loss.

and players if they have good business managers will have insured their income against loss either thru injury loss or All Risk policies in the event of a work stoppage but those policies would be mucho expensive for most..

so I do not understand your comment about already spent money if the players have not been playing.

Not sure you really meant what you wrote there.

But thats neither here nor there.

Because unless there’s a “pandemic clause” in the contract, owners have to pay as long as the seasons actually happen. You can’t sign someone to a contract and just not pay them because you aren’t making as much $ as you used to. The owners take the risk of losing $, not the employee. Just like any other business.

Redball Express · Jul 19, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
That's simply not true. The Cowboys are actually one of the better salary cap teams.

I am implying that now we are.

But that has not been that in the past..and you know that.

For years we had to deal with Deon's contract when he injured his toe and we let him go..

same for Emmitt..and others like Haley when he hurt his back from those 90's teams.

Jerrah was notorious for backending contracts to get what he wanted.

Since Clay arrived..he and Stephen preach being aware of all those issues of over extending the cap too much.

My comment stands,

I am trying to do some rough math here

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