Bob Sturm on the Dak Negotiations

Redball Express · Jul 19, 2020

FuzzyLumpkins said:
70% of tagged players did not sign an extension.

Which is a mystery to me.

Why would players not sign a new deal at more money than they are receiving considering all projections for increases in the cap are predicting massive losses in revenue?

Dak made the mistake of his life.

If he wins a SB..he has only set himself up for a 2nd Tag for another $6-8 million / yr more for one year.

And Dallas could bail out of that if they wanted.

Now at $38 mil in his 2nd Tag he is still very affordable but who knows.

Redball Express · Jul 19, 2020

mcmvp said:
I would place the least amount of blame on the agent...if any. The player gets to decide on the agent. It was not as if France was an unknown commodity. Dak chose him for a reason...and he could’ve replaced him long ago if things weren’t going the way he liked.

I think both teams stopped right where they wanted to be.

Its still affordable to Tag Dak a 2nd time and see what happens. Dak still will get close to $70 mil over 2 years doing that.

Dallas still has money to spend even if the cap decreases over the next 2 years from losses due to the pandemic.

Big issue is is after 2 years for Dak..he's probably well past his prime and not going to get the big deals he wants now.

I think both sides have achieved their goals up to now.

Stash · Jul 19, 2020

mcmvp said:
I would place the least amount of blame on the agent...if any. The player gets to decide on the agent. It was not as if France was an unknown commodity. Dak chose him for a reason...and he could’ve replaced him long ago if things weren’t going the way he liked.

He's in there for some blame from me. If for nothing else, the fact that he also failed to get a deal done and his client now again enters a season at risk of physical injury with little long-term financial security. He failed to get a long term deal for his client as well as everyone else failed.

glimmerman · Jul 19, 2020

Redball Express said:
Which is a mystery to me.

Why would players not sign a new deal at more money than they are receiving considering all projections for increases in the cap are predicting massive losses in revenue?

Dak made the mistake of his life.

If he wins a SB..he has only set himself up for a 2nd Tag for another $6-8 million / yr more for one year.

And Dallas could bail out of that if they wanted.

Now at $38 mil in his 2nd Tag he is still very affordable but who knows.

I agree. His agent is costing him. He didn’t need to gamble on himself again.

mcmvp · Jul 19, 2020

stasheroo said:
He's in there for some blame from me. If for nothing else, the fact that he also failed to get a deal done and his client now again enters a season at risk of physical injury with little long-term financial security. He failed to get a long term deal for his client as well as everyone else failed.

True...he did fail in that regard. He failed to have an organization see things his way.

Rayman70 · Jul 19, 2020

Techsass said:
That's why we all come here. Sure there's some fluff & down right ugly takes, but there's also more than just a few nuggets of actual truth. Enough to help get us thinking beyond the blatantly obvious stuff.

we agree on that. At least we dont get paid to be here though. The "journalists" should give back their paychecks for the shoddy crap they push as news. THEY ARE FRAUDS. Speaking only of sports writers in this instance.

Rayman70 · Jul 19, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
Bob Sturm ......

LIKE MOST local Dallas sports reporters, HE is a fraud. They all placate to Jerry and company. They don't dare ruffle his feathers WITH THE ACTUAL TRUTH. Jerry has them all culled. Goes back to the culture.

Jake · Jul 19, 2020

Redball Express said:
Dak made the mistake of his life.

If he wins a SB..he has only set himself up for a 2nd Tag for another $6-8 million / yr more for one year.

And Dallas could bail out of that if they wanted.

Now at $38 mil in his 2nd Tag he is still very affordable but who knows.

Where do I sign up to make $31 million for the mistake of a lifetime?

None of my mistakes paid nearly that well.

baltcowboy · Jul 19, 2020

khiladi said:
https://www.mediapost.com/publicati...l-tv-sinks-23-in-ad-revenues-to-7164-mil.html

Streaming is the same thing as TV ad revenue. It’s just digital. It’s advertising revenue. Who do you think is paying for the ads? You think when the NFL streams, they are going to put ads on for free? They aren’t going to have advertisements? FIFTY PERCENT the NFL’s revenue was from advertising as far back as 2015, but it also costs close to a billion a year to run a sports team. TV revenue is split equally across the league, so garbage teams don’t have any incentive to get better. The SOLE reason that the salaries have gotten so high in sports is precisely because of the as revenue.

https://wtop.com/business-finance/2020/07/maryland-casino-revenue-falls-27-for-fiscal-2020/

States haven’t even legalized sports betting and you think people are going to bet money when the economy is taking, besides the fact that’s exploitation of the poor and a sign of desperation. Who is kissing up to owners and billionaires? I don’t see Dak giving you any money from his check nor is he one of your boys. Jerry Jones is the key negotiator in the NFL and the owners called him to get the Rams deal done. That’s a fact.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-make-hundreds-of-millions-on-nfl-relocation/

Jerry Jones is way ahead of the game when it comes to negotiating.

As far as revenue, that’s exactly the point.

Excellent posts man. I appreciate your insight on the Dak negotiations. The talking heads are screaming about what a mistake the Cowboys made and what you showed me was the mistake that Dak made was not signing the contract after game three last season. People seem to forget that Jerry is one of the few owners with cash on hand. With the economic issues this country is in it is going to be hard for another team to give France the money that Dak is looking for. The contract will probably be backloaded. Dak probably wants to be franchised again so he get the 38 million guaranteed. If the Cowboys don’t franchise him then he is screwed.

kskboys · Jul 19, 2020

Proof said:
https://www.nbcsports.com/washingto...cooper-and-wouldve-paid-him-substantial-money

Then we should've let him walk.

kskboys · Jul 19, 2020

mcmvp said:
I would place the least amount of blame on the agent...if any. The player gets to decide on the agent. It was not as if France was an unknown commodity. Dak chose him for a reason...and he could’ve replaced him long ago if things weren’t going the way he liked.

Daaaaammmmmmmm yoooooouuuuu. I have to agree. This is what this agent does.

CowboyFrog · Jul 19, 2020

Rayman70 said:
LIKE MOST local Dallas sports reporters, HE is a fraud. They all placate to Jerry and company. They don't dare ruffle his feathers WITH THE ACTUAL TRUTH. Jerry has them all culled. Goes back to the culture.

I don't know Rayman, I've been in the DFW area all my life and have listened to the ticket since day one, as far as loving Jerry they don't fall into that category, they generally tell it like it is. Jub Jub used to tote the flag because he was the PA announcer but as a whole they roast Jerry pretty regular. Sturm is a huge Packer fan who through the years being here has turned into a cowboy fan but he killed Jerry over Garret the last 5 years. Now the Stars is different for Sturm he does have a Stars paycheck coming in.

Jstopper · Jul 19, 2020

Redball Express said:
I think both teams stopped right where they wanted to be.

Its still affordable to Tag Dak a 2nd time and see what happens. Dak still will get close to $70 mil over 2 years doing that.

Dallas still has money to spend even if the cap decreases over the next 2 years from losses due to the pandemic.

Big issue is is after 2 years for Dak..he's probably well past his prime and not going to get the big deals he wants now.

I think both sides have achieved their goals up to now.

In 2 years Dak will be 28. In what alternate universe is a 28 year old quarterback well past his prime? Lol that makes no sense

kskboys · Jul 19, 2020

Jstopper said:
In 2 years Dak will be 28. In what alternate universe is a 28 year old quarterback well past his prime? Lol that makes no sense

Seriously, do people say stuff just to say stuff?

Clove · Jul 19, 2020

VACowboy said:
Ok...

Is there anything I said that you dispute or did you just wanna say, Yeah, but Jerry is a hella bigger money grubber?

The salary cap ensures Jerry is going to pay the same amount on player salaries no matter how much he pays Dak. Paying Dak less has zero affect on Jerry's bank account and doesn't change the fact that Dak hired a notoriously hard-assed agent to handle his negotiations. Everybody knows how Jerry is about paying players he likes and that Dak has said he wants to stay in Dallas. So why France?

Look, I agree with you 10,000% that NFL owners are greedy jerks whose priority in every case is MORE money at the expense of the everyday fans who make them rich. And Jerry is certainly one of them, maybe one of the worst. But I don't really care whose motives in this mess are least pure or by how much, and fail to see see how Jerry's money lust affects any player negotiation. I just don't understand that if Dak really means what he says why out of all the agents in the business he chose Todd France.

He negotiated a contract for everyone on the team but Dak. He could've had Dak done 2 years ago, he gambled that Dak would fall on his face.
Dak, according to reports, wanted 4 years, the Cowboys wanted 5. Jones and company completely squandered this negotiation away. Dak played for beans for 4 years.
Anyways, it's over, it's done, let's just move on.

kskboys · Jul 19, 2020

Clove said:
He negotiated a contract for everyone on the team but Dak. He could've had Dak done 2 years ago, he gambled that Dak would fall on his face.
Dak, according to reports, wanted 4 years, the Cowboys wanted 5. Jones and company completely squandered this negotiation away. Dak played for beans for 4 years.
Anyways, it's over, it's done, let's just move on.

Dak didn't have to play for beans.

If you want to declare it over, quit posting about it.

cern · Jul 19, 2020

mcmvp said:
I would place the least amount of blame on the agent...if any. The player gets to decide on the agent. It was not as if France was an unknown commodity. Dak chose him for a reason...and he could’ve replaced him long ago if things weren’t going the way he liked.

agents can be very persuasive, especially those with a track record of having made their clients huge sums of money. i'm sure he convinced dak it would all happen the final day and he'd get his pie. as it turns out, france was wrong. stephen wasn't backing down. dak knows that now and will likely see things a bit more clearly next year as they begin round 2. i put the blame on mame (aka france)

cern · Jul 19, 2020

Clove said:
He negotiated a contract for everyone on the team but Dak. He could've had Dak done 2 years ago, he gambled that Dak would fall on his face.
Dak, according to reports, wanted 4 years, the Cowboys wanted 5. Jones and company completely squandered this negotiation away. Dak played for beans for 4 years.
Anyways, it's over, it's done, let's just move on.

i cannot understand for the life of me why people keep insisting jerry makes the deals now. he doesn't and hasn't done so in several years. that responsibility now lies in the far more capable hands of stephen. he laid it out last year for dak when he quietly signed jaylon and collins. with each signing, the pie gets smaller. dak and his agent took the stance that this is what we want and it's your job to figure out the cap, not ours. they thought stephen would blink. he did not. dak and france have not been forewarned for future negotiations. it hurts not to be able to restructure dak's salary for 2020, but would have been worse with a 4 year deal.

VACowboy · Jul 19, 2020

Clove said:
He negotiated a contract for everyone on the team but Dak. He could've had Dak done 2 years ago, he gambled that Dak would fall on his face.
Dak, according to reports, wanted 4 years, the Cowboys wanted 5. Jones and company completely squandered this negotiation away. Dak played for beans for 4 years.
Anyways, it's over, it's done, let's just move on.

None of that has anything to do with the point of my post or Jerry being 10,000 times more greedy than Dak. I do like you as a poster and have some honest curiosity about some of the stuff you said but I hate arguing so I'm moving on.

Clove · Jul 19, 2020

VACowboy said:
None of that has anything to do with the point of my post or Jerry being 10,000 times more greedy than Dak. I do like you as a poster and have some honest curiosity about some of the stuff you said but I hate arguing so I'm moving on.

Yeah, I’m not in the mood either. Happy posting

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