fairviewfarmer
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Marinelli should have retired 6 years ago. jmo.
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Marinelli May deserve an apology from some here
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Haimerej
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Willful ignorance is fine. Life is too busy lately for me to obsess like I used to.
It was an example of them scheming for an opponent. It's not a reach, it's a reality.
Wish I could share in your optimism.
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Good point, sometimes I obsess too much.
A 5-year old example. If that's the best example you have, that's reaching.
And maybe the fact that they added one of the best pass rushers in the game at the time helped?
Why don't you?
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I don't think McCarthy is necessarily an upgrade. If the goal is to win a championship, I have a hard time believing he'll be the first coach to ever do it with 2 different franchises. I think his prior success had more to do with Rodgers than anything else.
The two playoff losses against GB were close and arguably decided by a couple plays- Dez's catch and Byron's boneheaded mistake. It's not like GB outcoached DAL in those games.
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We definitely would have had higher draft picks, I guess that's why you're suggesting that.
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This is where i had to really wondering if other powers such as Stephen Jones, interacted in the change of course away from Garrett.
This is where i myself am further convinced Stephen has become a more powerful influence in how this team moves in a direction.
Supposedly Garrett tried to convince the Jones to have him return to continuing HC'ing here with assuming new ideas and suggestions.
But somehow the Jones (Stephen?) wasn't buying it this time, no matter what their past relationship with Garrett was.
Jerry has always said he thought Jason was one of the more brilliant offensive minds and emerging young HC's in the NFL.
It is something about this organization that they allow themselves to be buy into certain coaches and players, and determined
to be loyal to them, to a fault. To way too long anchored weight of time. the same with Garrett,..the same with Marinelli.
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Go back and look at the first philly game and the rams game. Both games our defense played lights out. We mixed in blitzes.... gave different looks etc.
Then go look at the bears... bills... jets and the second philly game (where they had injuries across the board). We sat back and basically told the qb what we were doing and got embarrassed. The jets online was putrid and we decided not to blitz them. Couple weeks later bellicheck blitzed every play.
So vs the good teams we adjusted and gave different looks. But the bad we sat back? That tells me we we’re always capable of adjusting how we played on defense... but didn’t because of stubbornness and way to much trust in the “scheme”
Then go look at the bears... bills... jets and the second philly game (where they had injuries across the board). We sat back and basically told the qb what we were doing and got embarrassed. The jets online was putrid and we decided not to blitz them. Couple weeks later bellicheck blitzed every play.
So vs the good teams we adjusted and gave different looks. But the bad we sat back? That tells me we we’re always capable of adjusting how we played on defense... but didn’t because of stubbornness and way to much trust in the “scheme”
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He’s shown he’s good enough to win one. Garrett never showed he was worthy of the job Jerry gifted him.
I think McCarthy had lesser teams (Rodgers notwithstanding) that were better prepared. If the Cowboys were, those games aren’t decided by those two plays anyway.
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I have NO idea how it's even a debate that the last staff was any good at all.
They were horrific. Started with Jerry's fantasy of having his hand picked Tom Landry and him being a part of it all first hand.
Meanwhile it was never more than Garrett selling him this fantasy and collecting a decade worth of HC checks.
They were horrific. Started with Jerry's fantasy of having his hand picked Tom Landry and him being a part of it all first hand.
Meanwhile it was never more than Garrett selling him this fantasy and collecting a decade worth of HC checks.
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Byron Jones would still be a safety if Richard wasn’t hired. Marinelli was here 7 seasons and the philosophy for that entire time was the problem. Took McCarthy 2 seconds to realize DT here was a joke or else we’d be looking at Woods and Hill and a few other scrubs wondering why the D sucks as usual! All while still blaming the secondary or just the safeties like the actual DC had nothing to do with those things. Strictly in charge of the DL apparently? Just another thing to add to the crap! Marinelli and his defense were pure garbage!
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Meh. We'll see.
This highlights a mindset I see a lot. It's weird to me how fans generally agree that Jerry sucks as a GM yet tout the talent on the team. It's like they've adopted his POV about physically gifted athletes over smart players. I think the team is heavy on dumb players, hence what we've seen the last few years.
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That doesn't mean the unit as a whole improved.
*players, not philosophy
That's an assumption. They knew the position was a problem, hence the Hill pick.
He is responsible for letting Richard call plays. It's not like the secondary was a strong point so not sure what you're getting at.
That's how it was reported. I assume giving Richard that authority wasn't exactly Rod's call. Jerry likes shiny things. Richard came in on a hype train. I was talking about how he was the only DC Carroll ever fired.
Sure. That's why he's working and Richard isn't.
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Is that not accurate? Did one not succeed in winning a Championship while the other failed to do so?
Or in my case, we see talented players who have proven to be so, vs a head coach who NEVER DID. The NFL world knows how talented those players are, and they say as much, they're never saying the same thing about those coaches.
And why do you think they're "dumb players"? Because they're not prepared well enough by their coaches? Or random luck in assembling dummies?
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Didn't say it was inaccurate. Just said we'll see what happens.
Define, "the NFL world." Marinelli is highly respected from everything I've seen. Even Garrett has been praised.
Also, define, "talented players." Vince Young was unstoppable in college. Gifted athletes excel against future accountants. Great measurables don't always equate to great talent. Maybe give some examples of guys who are supposed to be better than what they've shown.
Their play on the field.
Are you saying you've never met an idiot who couldn't be helped? Your position seems to abdicate players of their responsibility.
I alluded to it earlier with, "culture." Putting a premium on physical attributes over intelligence has gotten us here. I didn't think this was that controversial.
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NFL media. Those who cover the game. There's a consensus about the player talent. Nobody's signing the praises of those Fired coaches.
No, I'll give examples of guys who've shown to be great at the NFL level. Vs a coach gifted a job he never deserved.
That's clearly the guy you're trying to make excuses for here.
Under the proven failed former coaching staff.
Yours the coaching.
It's amazing the lengths you'll try to go to absolve those loser coaches.
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Say no more. I didn't peg you for someone who believes the hype machine that is the NFL media. Here's a tip- journalists are dumb and "sports journalists have traditionally been positioned at the bottom end of the journalism hierarchy."
Unsurprising. That requires too much specificity.
McCarthy? Now he's great? You're all in, I guess.
Marinelli's scheme and defensive philosophy isn't unique. But you need a whipping boy and can't seem to hold players accountable. Tell us again about how the game has passed him by.
Ok. Should be fun seeing how their next stops turn out.
Not at all. In this thread alone I said Richard was a mistake. Last I checked he was a coach.
But the schemes and philosophy have proven track records. These players you're excusing don't.
What amazes me is how you have a knack for missing points in an effort to fight with people online. You must be quite lonely. Here you are acting like Jerry hasn't been going after physically gifted idiots instead of smart players for years because you think trying to insult me is the better move. Lucky for you, I've got some down time today and I'm bored.
I wonder, are you capable of disagreeing with someone without invective?
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lol...except most scouts had Charlton ahead of Watt. so it wasn't obvious. do your research on the scouting reports of the two. Charlton was projected late first early second, Watt was projected 2nd rounder. look it up.