Non-exclusive tag in 2021?

CowboyFrog · Jul 21, 2020

Wood said:
If we learned one thing this off-season its the Jones can't be fooled by stats being padded in games. They may be unusual but they are not stupid. This all comes down to deep runs in playoffs. Its only then they will lock QB up long term.

Again I agree accountability needs to be at every position starting with the coach, I still fail to see how we now only want a QB who goes to the Championship game....of course that's the goal but if your going to launch every QB we get that doesn't get it done in 4 years.... well how many QB's are we looking at. Team sports take team efforts so are we cutting everyone on the team who has been here for the last four years if we don't reach that goal next year...or just the QB who has shown he is one of the best players on the team?

blueblood70 · Jul 21, 2020

daboyzruleperiod said:
Because Prescott was given the exclusive tag in 2020, his base salary will be $31.4 million. Due to the CBA rule that a player tagged for a second time will make 120% of that salary, he stands to make $37.69 million in 2021.

The total amount, $69.1 million is a lot of money. So much money, that the Cowboys don’t currently have the room to afford it. LET HIM WALK!

all Daks money is new money and if all the offers have been 33-35 mil then 34.5 over two years is basically the same as his LTD AAV..it starts immediately its not like others with a5 yr deal gets new deal after three and new money is delayed, the FT is close to what hes make anyway so two years on the tag is not that costly ..

i definitely put the Non Ex Tag on him next season as i would have this season to show Dak and France they are way off on his worth,,ego check needed..

xwalker · Jul 24, 2020

BaybeeJay said:
Should the Cowboys use the non-exclusive tag on Dak in 2021? Would anyone give up two 1sts for him, knowing he will likely be an UFA in 2022 otherwise?

Teams can trade for an Exclusive Tag player. If a team wants to give two 1st for Dak, they can do it even if he is on the Exclusive Tag.

Process
Cowboys give the other team permission to talk to the player/agent.
Other team negotiates a contract.
Cowboys agree to trade Dak.
Dak signs the Tag.
The trade is made.

jaythecowboy · Jul 24, 2020

I am not sure but I think the price of a 2nd tag is $37 million regardless of what kind of tag it is. Or possibly you can't even change the designation after the 1st tag. That is how I interpret the cba but would be interested in clarification.

Flamma · Jul 24, 2020

Jake said:
I said all along the Cowboys should've used the transition tag. There would be no more debate on Dak's market value because the market would've spoken.

Transition tag: Also a one-year, guaranteed contract based on the five-year average cap percentage for the tag at each position, but the transition tag stems from the top 10 -- not top five -- salaries at each position, so it's a bit cheaper. Most importantly, this tag allows players to sign offer sheets with other teams, but the original club has five days to match.

A few of us were saying the same thing. Not a lot of teams looking for a qb that couldn't get one in the draft. And he's asking for top dollar.

Was Jerry still scared? Or did it have to do with a show of respect? The exclusive tag points to one or the other. I hope it's not the latter.

Flamma · Jul 24, 2020

Wood said:
They dont really have salary cap space to franchise him again if Cap is shrinking next year like many are predicting. This is a one-and-done year for Dak. Only way he stays in Dallas is if he wins whole darn thing.

Actually, the better he does the less chance he has to stay. For example, let's say he's super bowl MVP. How the hell is Dallas going to afford his demands? Dallas would be house poor if they paid him.

BaybeeJay · Jul 24, 2020

xwalker said:
Teams can trade for an Exclusive Tag player. If a team wants to give two 1st for Dak, they can do it even if he is on the Exclusive Tag.

Process
Cowboys give the other team permission to talk to the player/agent.
Other team negotiates a contract.
Cowboys agree to trade Dak.
Dak signs the Tag.
The trade is made.

I don’t know if the CBA allows for this, but let’s assume it does. When would a team do this? I can only imagine if they didn’t think they could get two 1s.

Plankton · Jul 24, 2020

BaybeeJay said:
I don’t know if the CBA allows for this, but let’s assume it does. When would a team do this? I can only imagine if they didn’t think they could get two 1s.

If the Cowboys, or any team that franchise tags a player, tries to trade him, the compensation is negotiable. It doesn't matter whether it's the regular franchise tag or the exclusive version. All those do is determine whether another team can extend a contract offer to a player independent of a trade, and sets compensation for that condition. They could trade Prescott for a seventh rounder while being a franchise player or they could get four first round picks - neither extreme here is likely, but the larger point is it's all in what is negotiated between the two teams.

Ranched · Jul 24, 2020

Ranching said:
They can afford with a long term contract. I'll wait and see how he plays before I say Let him walk.

BaybeeJay · Jul 24, 2020

Plankton said:
If the Cowboys, or any team that franchise tags a player, tries to trade him, the compensation is negotiable. It doesn't matter whether it's the regular franchise tag or the exclusive version. All those do is determine whether another team can extend a contract offer to a player independent of a trade, and sets compensation for that condition. They could trade Prescott for a seventh rounder while being a franchise player or they could get four first round picks - neither extreme here is likely, but the larger point is it's all in what is negotiated between the two teams.

The CBA specifies that the original team will be compensated two first round draft picks if a player on a non-exclusive franchise tag accepts an offer sheet from a new team and the original team does not match.

Are you saying teams can waive this portion of the CBA?

Plankton · Jul 24, 2020

BaybeeJay said:
The CBA specifies that the original team will be compensated two first round draft picks if a player on a non-exclusive franchise tag accepts an offer sheet from a new team and the original team does not match.

Are you saying teams can waive this portion of the CBA?

If a player signs an offer sheet with another team, then it isn't a trade. The compensation terms for a player reaching an agreement with another team on an offer sheet is defined. A trade can have any compensation that the two teams agree to - it could be for players, or draft picks. Nothing clearly defined. Two totally different scenarios.

BaybeeJay · Jul 24, 2020

Plankton said:
If a player signs an offer sheet with another team, then it isn't a trade. The compensation terms for a player reaching an agreement with another team on an offer sheet is defined. A trade can have any compensation that the two teams agree to - it could be for players, or draft picks. Nothing clearly defined. Two totally different scenarios.

With the ability to trade franchised players, it seems that the question of whether to designate exclusive vs. non-exclusive is not very relevant. Only Joey Galloway has ever hauled the two 1s that that CBA stipulates over the last 20 years. I wonder why the players and owners keep this distinction in the CBA.

Adreme · Jul 24, 2020

BaybeeJay said:
Should the Cowboys use the non-exclusive tag on Dak in 2021? Would anyone give up two 1sts for him, knowing he will likely be an UFA in 2022 otherwise?

It does not matter what tag you use on him next offseason as the amount you pay him will not change.

phildadon86 · Jul 24, 2020

Wood said:
If we learned one thing this off-season its the Jones can't be fooled by stats being padded in games. They may be unusual but they are not stupid. This all comes down to deep runs in playoffs. Its only then they will lock QB up long term.

They paid Romo and he didn’t have any long runs in the playoffs.

jaythecowboy · Jul 24, 2020

Adreme said:
It does not matter what tag you use on him next offseason as the amount you pay him will not change.

That was what I thought as well from reading the cba but wasn't sure.

jaythecowboy · Jul 24, 2020

BaybeeJay said:
With the ability to trade franchised players, it seems that the question of whether to designate exclusive vs. non-exclusive is not very relevant. Only Joey Galloway has ever hauled the two 1s that that CBA stipulates over the last 20 years. I wonder why the players and owners keep this distinction in the CBA.

There are differences that make either one viable. With the exclusive franchise tag, the player can't talk to other teams, while with the non-exclusive franchise tag they can. If a team really wants to keep the player, then they wouldn't want them talking to other teams. The non-exclusive franchise tag costs less, so could work better for a teams cap.

ABQCOWBOY · Jul 24, 2020

phildadon86 said:
They paid Romo and he didn’t have any long runs in the playoffs.

But that might be why the hesitated to do the same with Dak. Never can tell....

ABQCOWBOY · Jul 24, 2020

jaythecowboy said:
There are differences that make either one viable. With the exclusive franchise tag, the player can't talk to other teams, while with the non-exclusive franchise tag they can. If a team really wants to keep the player, then they wouldn't want them talking to other teams. The non-exclusive franchise tag costs less, so could work better for a teams cap.

The salary seems inconsequential to me. If he stays, the team has to pay him the 37 at a minimum regardless. If he is traded, CAA will negotiate a more lucrative deal IMO so it's really about how Dak feels and how the Cowboys feel about the trade offer.

JMO

Whirlwin · Jul 24, 2020

BaybeeJay said:
Should the Cowboys use the non-exclusive tag on Dak in 2021? Would anyone give up two 1sts for him, knowing he will likely be an UFA in 2022 otherwise?

If Prescott has a great season. Takes this team to the NFC championship game
. Anything is possible

Whirlwin · Jul 24, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
But that might be why the hesitated to do the same with Dak. Never can tell....

I think we had 15 different starting quarterbacks after troy Aikman before Tony Romo. Prescott came right after Romo so we didn’t go through that aggravation. Maybe that had something to do with it. Signing Romo right away

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