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How about Lawrence and Elliott?
Elliott has the 2nd highest RB contract and was 2nd in yards from scrimmage and 5th in TDs.
So at least he is matching his ratings. Debatable if we should've paid it though.

Lawrence had plenty of pressures and defended the run better than most DE's, but I think he is overpaid. Still time to redeem himself though

Dak was 10th in QB rating and 8th in Td-int....fwiw

Also, given the overall roster and schedule, I would say that the team going 8-8 in 2019 was one of the worst regular team performances in 25 years. 2008's 9-7 challenges it, as does 2017.
 

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Villain is strong.

All that being said. This is a guy who is only in his position because his daddy owns the team. Unless he hired a GM once Jerry dies. We are in for more of the same from the last 25 years. I am afraid.
 

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Elliott has the 2nd highest RB contract and was 2nd in yards from scrimmage and 5th in TDs.
So at least he is matching his ratings. Debatable if we should've paid it though.

Who' RB contract is higher? It was my understanding that Elliott is the highest paid.

Lawrence had plenty of pressures and defended the run better than most DE's, but I think he is overpaid. Still time to redeem himself though

The point being that he now has to turn things around.

Dak was 10th in QB rating and 8th in Td-int....fwiw

Also, given the overall roster and schedule, I would say that the team going 8-8 in 2019 was one of the worst regular team performances in 25 years. 2008's 9-7 challenges it, as does 2017.

Thanks goodness we got rid of the coaches holding the team back.
 

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This will go down as one of the few bright spots during his tenure. This has MM written all over it. A true football mind can see Dak for what he is ...average!
MM has never had to start fresh with developing a QB. Dak IS the reason he chose Dallas over the Littles.
 

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Dallas Cowboys: Stephen Jones is ruthless and the real villain

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The Dallas Cowboys did not sign Dak Prescott to a long-term contract because of Stephen Jones' stubbornness. As expected with the Dallas Cowboys, they made...

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WRONG being a shrewd businessman does not make you a monster..jeez im sorry poor Mr Dakota Prescott only gets 31.5 million dollars to play a game this season, and possibly 37 next season and the 4mil hes already made and all the endorsements $$$$, all because the Dallas Cowboys' selected him in the draft in the 4th round and gave him a job..

also feel real bad he was made a ridiculously fair offer with over 100mil guaranteed at near 34 pus a year?

i am so sad and wish he didn't have to eat hot dogs and bologna some Ramen for a special night in his mobile home park, poor thing!!!

Note sarcasm!!~

lets get this straight Franks and daks the greedy stubborn duo who dont see a fair deal and run with it.. smh this is so insane blaming the jonses for wanting a 5th year as its how they want to conduct business after Tsmith took what 8 years Mahomes 10.Phackin Dak is not SPECIAL.. he was offered some nice deals..

He himself doesnt have deal because of his agent and his ego.. thats a fact! they did not low ball the guy, thats FACT!
 

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Stephen is a joke. If he gets credit for not caving to Dak then why did he cave to a guy who refused to get surgery until he got a contract then caves to another guy who refused to even show up to training camp until he was the highest paid for his position with 2 years left on his contract? At least Dlaw played one year under the tag, zeke just made Stephen call him daddy and slapped him around like he does his women and DJ’s.

In the meantime, they let one of the best corners in the game go which is a much tougher and more critical position to fill than RB. Real smart. Yup, Stephen is looking strong because he didn’t give into Dak :rolleyes:
 

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PR rubbish from Daks agency.

And the dark doesn’t want to be a cowboy isn’t or rubbish from ownership? I don’t know about you but siding with management/ownership is never a good look
 

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I'm not asking you why they didn't sign dak long term. I'm fully capable of making my own conclusions. His demands were excessive and his desire for a 4 year deal would have hurt the team. Imo, simple as that.
Those are fair and reasonable arguments. But does the potential of not having a franchise QB after 2020 hurt the team even more?

Was this the right contract and player to draw our line in the sand.
 

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Anyone that has been paying attention will know Stephen will be worse than Jerry. He has all of Jerry’s arrogance without any of his charm. Plus he is cheap.

but as long as we keep pumping money into it it ain’t gonna matter.
 

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I often agree with you but I don’t think the team got cheap with Dak. I think they offered him around R Wilson money but wanted the five years to give them flexibility with the cap. Dak was adamant on the four years and Stephen was adamant on the 5.

IMO, it isn’t fair to expect the team to give on their stance while expecting Dak/France not to.

I think that it was a combination of a few things that led us to this point: The franchise tag, the uncertainty of the financial outlook because of the pandemic and the all-new coaching staff.

With the franchise tag, Dak’s services were guaranteed in Dallas, no matter what.

From Stephen’s perspective, Dak was going to be his QB in 2020, no matter what... which is the big thing and it removed any real sense of urgency that the team might feel. It did take away some cap room this season - all $31M had to hit this year - but it isn’t that different from what he’d be paying on a long term deal (LTD). Plus, the actual amount Dak is going to play for (31) is below the yearly average of what Dak would make on a LTD.

The financial outlook and what the league (and salary cap) will do was (I’m sure) always in the back of Stephen’s mind. I simply think that this kept Stephen from going any higher on his offer to Dak. He wasn’t, IMO, going to let the money creep up from what was already a crazy high figure (R Wilson) when he doesn’t know if the salary cap will flatten or even recede from its current figure. Particularly when Dak was making the team fight for flexibility in structure, along with the dollar figure.

It would have been reckless to do so, and frankly as much as I do like Dak, I’m glad that Stephen drew a line and didn’t cross it. I support that because as a fan of the team, I don’t want the cap to be too stressed to pay some of the other good players that they’ll need to.

Then, throw in that there is the inherent uncertainty of Dak having never played for McCarthy and in his system and you have a unique situation where the team felt like it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to let Dak play a year on the franchise tag. Let the league figure out where it will be financially before next season and have a year with Dak playing under MM to see what you’re getting there.

It makes perfect sense to me and really, I don’t understand why some are so upset by it. Yes, the contract will likely cost more next year but to have certainty on the cap and Dak’s play under McCarthy would be well worth it to the team.
Like I said above, the one thing that would have galvanized the team into getting a LTD done would have been if they could have lost his services this season... and absent that, there was too much upside with just waiting to next season to get the LTD done.

As for Dak, his perspective is simple: He will make $31 million this season, which is infinitely more than he made last season. Plus, he knows that he has great weapons in Dallas and will be playing under a coach that is somewhat of a passing game guru (and under Moore), so he expects to have a good enough season to up his pay after waiting a year. Not to mention that he knows more pressure will be on Dallas in a year because of the franchise tag being so high to do it again.

Making more this year than he’s ever made in his life and with the ability to pick right back up with the negotiations after the season made enough sense to him that he didn’t feel compelled to sign a deal now that isn’t 100% what he wanted.

So, I get both sides and why they decided to just wait until the off season to pick it up again.

I don’t think either side is really upset about waiting until after the season. There were simply too many reasons on each side to wait. No real reason to push hard and concede a lot on what they wanted. I think everybody is fine just waiting. Well, everyone except some of the fans.
Good points. And it’s all fine if it’s worth losing Dak.

And if it’s really all about money then it’s only going to cost more next year. So, IMO it’s about something else.
 

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Who' RB contract is higher? It was my understanding that Elliott is the highest paid.



The point being that he now has to turn things around.



Thanks goodness we got rid of the coaches holding the team back.
McCaffrey is the highest-paid and was the league leader in yards from scrimmage by a large margin
But in all fairness, he did sign after Zeke.
 

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but as long as we keep pumping money into it it ain’t gonna matter.
Unless you pump money into the right direction and the talent measures up.

I’d applaud this move by the Cowboys if they were acknowledging Dak isn’t their guy and don’t think he’s enough. But that’s not what is happening here is it.
 

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Stephen is a joke. If he gets credit for not caving to Dak then why did he cave to a guy who refused to get surgery until he got a contract then caves to another guy who refused to even show up to training camp until he was the highest paid for his position with 2 years left on his contract? At least Dlaw played one year under the tag, zeke just made Stephen call him daddy and slapped him around like he does his women and DJ’s.

In the meantime, they let one of the best corners in the game go which is a much tougher and more critical position to fill than RB. Real smart. Yup, Stephen is looking strong because he didn’t give into Dak :rolleyes:


I don’t feel strongly about Zeke’s contract. But you do make strong points.
 

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Unless you pump money into the right direction and the talent measures up.

I’d applaud this move by the Cowboys if they were acknowledging Dak isn’t their guy and don’t think he’s enough. But that’s not what is happening here is it.
I’m talking the fanzz the cowboys are making a killing being average and that’s where we’re gonna be until the cash dries up. all flash and no substance just like the last 25 years
 

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McCaffrey is the highest-paid and was the league leader in yards from scrimmage by a large margin
But in all fairness, he did sign after Zeke.

OK, that's why I didn't remember it.
 

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Stephen is a joke. If he gets credit for not caving to Dak then why did he cave to a guy who refused to get surgery until he got a contract then caves to another guy who refused to even show up to training camp until he was the highest paid for his position with 2 years left on his contract? At least Dlaw played one year under the tag, zeke just made Stephen call him daddy and slapped him around like he does his women and DJ’s.

In the meantime, they let one of the best corners in the game go which is a much tougher and more critical position to fill than RB. Real smart. Yup, Stephen is looking strong because he didn’t give into Dak :rolleyes:
Most of the media is bashing the Cowboys . I tend to agree. Unless we have decided to move on from Dak.
 

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Good points. And it’s all fine if it’s worth losing Dak.

And if it’s really all about money then it’s only going to cost more next year. So, IMO it’s about something else.
The money in relation to what will happen during this pandemic and in relation to what the cap might be going forward is going to be very important to the team. So I disagree that it had to be something else. That will be vital and by next year they won’t have to guess what the cap will be... they’ll know. It makes perfect sense why the team would view that as important to know before handing out a contract paying around $36M/year.

And why would the team need to be fine with losing Dak? They can pick up negotiations after this year except they’ll know where the cap will be.

I don’t think the team views this at all like it means they’re going to lose Dak. That is just some fans and the media’s wild speculation.
 

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Those are fair and reasonable arguments. But does the potential of not having a franchise QB after 2020 hurt the team even more?

Was this the right contract and player to draw our line in the sand.
I think they did so with Byron Jones too.

But at least in Dak's case, they did lock him up for another year....so not toally a line in the sand.
 

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I often agree with you but I don’t think the team got cheap with Dak. I think they offered him around R Wilson money but wanted the five years to give them flexibility with the cap. Dak was adamant on the four years and Stephen was adamant on the 5.

IMO, it isn’t fair to expect the team to give on their stance while expecting Dak/France not to.

I think that it was a combination of a few things that led us to this point: The franchise tag, the uncertainty of the financial outlook because of the pandemic and the all-new coaching staff.

With the franchise tag, Dak’s services were guaranteed in Dallas, no matter what.

From Stephen’s perspective, Dak was going to be his QB in 2020, no matter what... which is the big thing and it removed any real sense of urgency that the team might feel. It did take away some cap room this season - all $31M had to hit this year - but it isn’t that different from what he’d be paying on a long term deal (LTD). Plus, the actual amount Dak is going to play for (31) is below the yearly average of what Dak would make on a LTD.

The financial outlook and what the league (and salary cap) will do was (I’m sure) always in the back of Stephen’s mind. I simply think that this kept Stephen from going any higher on his offer to Dak. He wasn’t, IMO, going to let the money creep up from what was already a crazy high figure (R Wilson) when he doesn’t know if the salary cap will flatten or even recede from its current figure. Particularly when Dak was making the team fight for flexibility in structure, along with the dollar figure.

It would have been reckless to do so, and frankly as much as I do like Dak, I’m glad that Stephen drew a line and didn’t cross it. I support that because as a fan of the team, I don’t want the cap to be too stressed to pay some of the other good players that they’ll need to.

Then, throw in that there is the inherent uncertainty of Dak having never played for McCarthy and in his system and you have a unique situation where the team felt like it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to let Dak play a year on the franchise tag. Let the league figure out where it will be financially before next season and have a year with Dak playing under MM to see what you’re getting there.

It makes perfect sense to me and really, I don’t understand why some are so upset by it. Yes, the contract will likely cost more next year but to have certainty on the cap and Dak’s play under McCarthy would be well worth it to the team.
Like I said above, the one thing that would have galvanized the team into getting a LTD done would have been if they could have lost his services this season... and absent that, there was too much upside with just waiting to next season to get the LTD done.

As for Dak, his perspective is simple: He will make $31 million this season, which is infinitely more than he made last season. Plus, he knows that he has great weapons in Dallas and will be playing under a coach that is somewhat of a passing game guru (and under Moore), so he expects to have a good enough season to up his pay after waiting a year. Not to mention that he knows more pressure will be on Dallas in a year because of the franchise tag being so high to do it again.

Making more this year than he’s ever made in his life and with the ability to pick right back up with the negotiations after the season made enough sense to him that he didn’t feel compelled to sign a deal now that isn’t 100% what he wanted.

So, I get both sides and why they decided to just wait until the off season to pick it up again.

I don’t think either side is really upset about waiting until after the season. There were simply too many reasons on each side to wait. No real reason to push hard and concede a lot on what they wanted. I think everybody is fine just waiting. Well, everyone except some of the fans.
Great post and perspective.
 
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