Jamal Adams Traded to Seattle

IAmLegend said:

Oh well. They gave up the farm to get him. Kinda glad we didn’t do that tbh.

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I'm glad so maybe now all the foolish talk about over spending to get one player that wouldn't be that one player to push the Cowboys over the top will stop.
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gjkoeppen said:

I'm glad so maybe now all the foolish talk about over spending to get one player that wouldn't be that one player to push the Cowboys over the top will stop.
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Yeah, I didn't want us to give up even one 1st for him.

rocyaice said:

SHOULD BE is relative. And every single one of those first rounders except Taco was ready first day. I'm not sure what your point is are you saying Cowboys don't draft well in the 1st round?

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If you want to be more accurate, in the past ten drafts the Seahawks have drafted 25th, 15th, then went THREE years without a first round pick, 31st, NO pick again, 27th, 29th and 27th. None of those picks panned out to be worthwhile. This article brings up a good point and shows why this trade is not that bad assuming history repeats itself.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/762457/seahawks-trade-up-1st-round-history/?

Also, if people want to compare us giving up our first rounders, the closest comparison based on where the Hawks have drafted over the past ten years would be equivalent to us giving up Taco and Cooper (who would have hit FA anyways most likely this last year). So we would have given up a two year rental with no results and a guy we cut, in exchange for a young safety who is probably the best in the game and would be worth the contract, especially in comparison to what we’ve paid other guys on this roster.

I do consider the drafting ability of the teams involved when talking about trade value which is why I was never on board with trading for Adams. Adams was always going to be worth more to a team that can't draft well than to the Cowboys which have been one of the better drafting teams over the last 10+ years. They have been less successful the last three years but I think the Taco and Trysten Hill picks were avoidable missteps. Had the Cowboys taken Watt and Thornhill with those two picks the last three years likely look great as well. I'm hoping the 2020 draft is a sign that the Cowboys are going to draft even better in the future.

kskboys said:

When's the last time a team gave up multiple 1sts for an NFL player and it led to playoff success?

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Probably never because 1 player doesn’t make an entire team.

Whyjerry said:

A box safety with an attitude yields 2 number 1s. Seattle used to be the smart ones. The Jets just landed a huge haul for a guy that didn’t want to be there. Big day for the Jets.

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To say the least.

aria said:

If you want to be more accurate, in the past ten drafts the Seahawks have drafted 25th, 15th, then went THREE years without a first round pick, 31st, NO pick again, 27th, 29th and 27th. None of those picks panned out to be worthwhile. This article brings up a good point and shows why this trade is not that bad assuming history repeats itself.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/762457/seahawks-trade-up-1st-round-history/?

Also, if people want to compare us giving up our first rounders, the closest comparison based on where the Hawks have drafted over the past ten years would be equivalent to us giving up Taco and Cooper (who would have hit FA anyways most likely this last year). So we would have given up a two year rental with no results and a guy we cut, in exchange for a young safety who is probably the best in the game and would be worth the contract, especially in comparison to what we’ve paid other guys on this roster.

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I disagree there. I would rather have Cooper than Jamal Adams (especially since you would basically have to pay them the same money). Then you are giving another 1st and more on top of that.

Zordon said:

Some franchises are actually all-in on winning championships, others are content just talking about it.

Anyways, here comes the "they paid too much" crowd.

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If I absolutely knew that paying that kind of price was going to assure me of a Super Bowl title this season, I'd pay it in a minute.

... So if Seattle gets a title out of it, it was worth the cost. If not ... that's a high price to pay for any player, especially a safety.

I would have loved to have gotten him, though, but can't justify spending that kind of draft capital not knowing if it would improve us enough to get a title.

aria said:

If you want to be more accurate, in the past ten drafts the Seahawks have drafted 25th, 15th, then went THREE years without a first round pick, 31st, NO pick again, 27th, 29th and 27th. None of those picks panned out to be worthwhile. This article brings up a good point and shows why this trade is not that bad assuming history repeats itself.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/762457/seahawks-trade-up-1st-round-history/?

Also, if people want to compare us giving up our first rounders, the closest comparison based on where the Hawks have drafted over the past ten years would be equivalent to us giving up Taco and Cooper (who would have hit FA anyways most likely this last year). So we would have given up a two year rental with no results and a guy we cut, in exchange for a young safety who is probably the best in the game and would be worth the contract, especially in comparison to what we’ve paid other guys on this roster.

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While true.....you pay your quarterback as much as they are paying Wilson.......you need to surround him with cheap talent and no better way to do that than first rounders. The argument isn't to just trade your first rounders away because you are missing on them the argument is maybe you need to change how you are scouting players you draft in the 1st round.

Buzzbait said:

To say the least.

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It still won't matter.

How many times have we seen teams rape other teams for choices? Only the 1990s Cowboys converted.

jaythecowboy said:

I disagree there. I would rather have Cooper than Jamal Adams (especially since you would basically have to pay them the same money). Then you are giving another 1st and more on top of that.

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Huh, no way I would rather have Cooper, especially with Lamb. Cooper has disappeared in road games too often and Adams is much more versatile. Just difference of opinion.

rocyaice said:

While true.....you pay your quarterback as much as they are paying Wilson.......you need to surround him with cheap talent and no better way to do that than first rounders. The argument isn't to just trade your first rounders away because you are missing on them the argument is maybe you need to change how you are scouting players you draft in the 1st round.

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That could be but we didn’t do any better with our last two late round picks then they did. I guess you could argue Cooper but when he only shows up in half the games and we only had him for a short time before his contract was up I don’t think it’s that big of a difference.

Their defense is what helped them be so successful in the past and it worked so why not try again? Wilson has Metcalf and a good RB and he could use O line help but IIRC a lot of that was due to injuries. Last year their offense was top 10 and their defense was bottom 10. They went three years without a first round draft pick and still competed in two Super Bowls during those years. You might not as well even count their other first round picks after that because they didn’t have another pick one year and the others were all busts yet they still made the playoffs almost every year.

They’ve been very competitive without a worthwhile or no 1st round picks for a decade and now they got the best safety in the league and are going two more years without a 1st rounder (most likely late) and suddenly they’re idiots, paid too much and are doomed? Based on the past ten years, that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Plus I think a lot of people like to downplay how good he is only because we didn’t get him. Just like every other time we’re looking at a FA, he would be a game changer if he came here but once he goes somewhere else he wasn’t worth it and not all that. That includes are own guys who we let walk

The Seahawks could have had any Cowboy player for two 1st round picks, a 3rd round pick and a player.

No way Adams is worth even close to that. Have fun with Adams accepting no less than $20M/year on a long term contract and cap maybe plummeting to $175M. Seahawks will be keeping fingers crossed he doesn’t get hurt.

gjkoeppen said:

I'm glad so maybe now all the foolish talk about over spending to get one player that wouldn't be that one player to push the Cowboys over the top will stop.
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Are serious on this board? That will never stop. On to the next player, lol.

He’s a good safety no doubt.....but that’s a lot to give up for a safety

MikeB80 said:

a starter and two one's is steep but Pete Carrol is an excellent defensive coach and this guy is only going to get better in Seattle.

The jets have a real chance to build a good team before they have to pay their young qb.

I thought all along the eagles would cave and make some sort of deal for him. Glad to see him out of the division.

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Glad I decided to read thru before posting. This is pretty much what I thought when I first read about the trade.

I wonder if Adams agreed to play out his rookie contract or at least hold off on being the highest paid safety. Didn't he make noises along those lines earlier, as long as he could get away from the Jets & onto a team he liked?

But but but he was coming here. Sorry fans we will have the normal under average safeties again. No response to sp3nd that much on a safety for dalls right now anyways.

aria said:

ok, and they’ve had a winning formula quite a bit longer than we have which is why it’s funny to see people here criticize an organization that’s been more successful than us over the past 10 years.

I’m sure they’re laughing at us for using a 4th overall pick on a RB when they used a 7th ROUND pick on a RB that had a better ypc average behind a worse O line. Or our awesome Taco pick. Or what about their Wilson pick? There’s lots of different ways to view this but they’ve been winning, we haven’t, so until proven otherwise I don’t think it’s as bad as it appears.

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They used a first round pick on a RB just about 3 years ago that was an abject failure from the moment he stepped on the field in Seattle... and was widely looked at as a reach when they took him. Using their drafting of RB as an example of how to do it isn’t good.

The point is that their drafting has been poor, despite hitting on some here and there.

Put Garrett in Seattle and Carroll in Dallas over that period of time and I’d wager it’d be different.

There is a difference between saying that they haven’t done well in the draft while Dallas has... and saying that Dallas is a better and more winning franchise. One is true and one isn’t.

Much of their franchise is very well run. Their drafting hasn’t been one of them.

2 first round picks is too much, for any player lol. and then a 3rd too lol.
And then having to pay him top pay on top of that lol I dont know what they are doing lol.

ninja said:

The Seahawks could have had any Cowboy player for two 1st round picks, a 3rd round pick and a player.

No way Adams is worth even close to that. Have fun with Adams accepting no less than $20M/year on a long term contract and cap maybe plummeting to $175M. Seahawks will be keeping fingers crossed he doesn’t get hurt.

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Those 1sts most likely will be low 1sts.