Twitter: Dak’s 2021 tag impact on the Cowboys

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baltcowboy said:
They owners are betting on the television contract and legalized gambling. It will go up. The owners are no fools when it comes to money.
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I don't believe the NFL gets a cut of the legalized gambling.
The TV revenue is based on number of viewers. Fewer people watching. Restaurants closing means less subscribers. Bars limited. Stadiums empty. People in a bad mood. Money is tight and people will be saving money.
I can watch any game or Redzone via stream for free.

It will be interesting to see the number of viewers for baseball and basketball. My guess will be low.
 

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ninja said:
I don't believe the NFL gets a cut of the legalized gambling.
The TV revenue is based on number of viewers. Fewer people watching. Restaurants closing means less subscribers. Bars limited. Stadiums empty. People in a bad mood. Money is tight and people will be saving money.
I can watch any game or Redzone via stream for free.

It will be interesting to see the number of viewers for baseball and basketball. My guess will be low.
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The owners will get a cut of gambling just like they do for fantasy football. They could care less about bars if you are watching the game from any platform they will get a cut. The owners would rather you watch the game from your own platform instead of going to bar and sharing them.Football is the number one television show in the world. Jerrah makes almost a billion off of none NFL revenue alone. The owners led by Jerry himself are about to renegotiate television contracts. Why do you think Dak wants a 4 year deal instead of 5.
 
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rocyaice said:
So basically this is a reminder Cowboys screwed up again? They are at BEST going to overpay for him or at worst lose him for nothing. Great.
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No, not if they do what they should’ve done this offseason and slap the non exclusive franchise tag on him. If a team makes an offer we can either match it and sign him or let him go and get that team’s next two first round draft picks. I wouldn’t call that getting nothing.
 
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LatinMind said:
IDK why the media is so clueless. Owners and the union are and have been talking about borrowing from future caps. I dont understand whats so hard to get about this concept.
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They would absolutely have to do that if the cap fell by too much. They might still do it. But that's not painless either. The cap would be stagnant for several years.
 

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LatinMind said:
IDK why the media is so clueless. Owners and the union are and have been talking about borrowing from future caps. I dont understand whats so hard to get about this concept.
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It seems like the expectation is that the cap should drop more than $25m for next year but they aren't going to let it go too far. There have been articles claiming up to $70m if there was no agreement.

The plan looks to be to spread that $70m over multiple seasons with a maximum hit of $25m. In a worst case scenario, the $175m cap could stay the same for multiple years until the deficit is "paid back" to the owners.

Todd France is a complete idiot. He apparently doesn't read the newspapers. Players salaries are going to be depressed for several years.
 

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unionjack8 said:
So tag and trade
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You cannot trade someone on the tag until the sign it and if he decides to not sign the tag until a week after FA starts then the Cowboys still have to hold that money against their cap meaning they will be completely unable to sign anyone. The aftermath being that they will have a lot of cap space but no players to spend it on.
 

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doomsday9084 said:
It seems like the expectation is that the cap should drop more than $25m for next year but they aren't going to let it go too far. There have been articles claiming up to $70m if there was no agreement.

The plan looks to be to spread that $70m over multiple seasons with a maximum hit of $25m. In a worst case scenario, the $175m cap could stay the same for multiple years until the deficit is "paid back" to the owners.

Todd France is a complete idiot. He apparently doesn't read the newspapers. Players salaries are going to be depressed for several years.
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I mean judging by the expected cap jump that would have happened both this year and next, if they "owed" 50m in cap space from next year, the following you could probably pay it back and still have the cap higher than it is now and they would not be paying it back that fast.

Also there is a reason the owners do not want to have the cap go down if they can avoid it and that is because it gives too much power to the players. That might sound weird, but let me explain. Right now if we assume the cap will drop to 175 million, with the Cowboys rolling over 8m, they have exactly 8m in cap space. If there was not really an agreement and it dropped to say 140m it would be hard to get under that cap (but not impossible). The only two ways to do it would involve either cuts, which I will get into in a moment, or restructures. For the Cowboys they would be approaching Zeke, Collins, DLaw, about converting their salary into signing bonus and spread out the cap hit. This basically makes them harder to cut down the line in the event of things going badly. After dealing with that you then have players like Tyron and Martin, who are cuttable, but you would have to negotiate an extension with them to avoid that that pays them what they want with a LOT upfront or you would have to cut them.

This means that the players hold a lot of leverage to get a lot of money upfront right after the owners just lost money in the previous season. Obviously this is a scenario the owners wish to avoid.
 
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Here we are towards the end of August and we're still reviewing Dak and his tag possibilities?! The upcoming season, likely or not, can't come soon enough! Here's hoping we'll find something else to be compulsively obsessed about in another week or so.
It'll be pure ecstasy!:thumbup:
 
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Adreme said:
I mean judging by the expected cap jump that would have happened both this year and next, if they "owed" 50m in cap space from next year, the following you could probably pay it back and still have the cap higher than it is now and they would not be paying it back that fast.

Also there is a reason the owners do not want to have the cap go down if they can avoid it and that is because it gives too much power to the players. That might sound weird, but let me explain. Right now if we assume the cap will drop to 175 million, with the Cowboys rolling over 8m, they have exactly 8m in cap space. If there was not really an agreement and it dropped to say 140m it would be hard to get under that cap (but not impossible). The only two ways to do it would involve either cuts, which I will get into in a moment, or restructures. For the Cowboys they would be approaching Zeke, Collins, DLaw, about converting their salary into signing bonus and spread out the cap hit. This basically makes them harder to cut down the line in the event of things going badly. After dealing with that you then have players like Tyron and Martin, who are cuttable, but you would have to negotiate an extension with them to avoid that that pays them what they want with a LOT upfront or you would have to cut them.

This means that the players hold a lot of leverage to get a lot of money upfront right after the owners just lost money in the previous season. Obviously this is a scenario the owners wish to avoid.
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The cap is set for a given season based on revenue from the previous season. That's why the 2020 cap is normal. The 2019 season wasn't affected. The first cap year affected by the pandemic would be 2021.

The worst case scenarios I have seen are that the owners will lose $140m in revenue per team. We all know they are rather cutthroat and will want to take as much of that from the players as possible. The current agreement has the players getting half of revenue so they would lose $70.

I agree with your scenario. Its very well written. If the NFL took all of that $70m hit at once it would be complete chaos. That's why they are going to spread the hit out over multiple years. As I said, we might be looking at 2 to 3 years of reduced cap.
 
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Hawkeye0202 said:
This won't be just a Dak-Cowboy problem. It will impact all 32 teams in some way. Look for the league/owners/players to work out some alternative.
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This is the alternative. Otherwise it would drop much further if they are forced to stick to the current setup.
 

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doomsday9084 said:
The cap is set for a given season based on revenue from the previous season. That's why the 2020 cap is normal. The 2019 season wasn't affected. The first cap year affected by the pandemic would be 2021.

The worst case scenarios I have seen are that the owners will lose $140m in revenue per team. We all know they are rather cutthroat and will want to take as much of that from the players as possible. The current agreement has the players getting half of revenue so they would lose $70.

I agree with your scenario. Its very well written. If the NFL took all of that $70m hit at once it would be complete chaos. That's why they are going to spread the hit out over multiple years. As I said, we might be looking at 2 to 3 years of reduced cap.
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If you operate under the assumption that everything returns to normal finance wise after next year I do not think they cap will be lower than what it is right now after that. Generally the cap was expected to go up by about 20 million this year and about 20 million again the following year for the cap 2 years from now being 40 million higher than it is now. Now if the cap goes down by 25 million when it should have gone down by 70 million than that leaves 45 million still left to be paid back. Per the agreement they would be paying it back over the following 4 seasons which would average out to about 11.25 million per year. So if you subtract 11.25 million from 40 million you get 28.75 million which would be how much higher the cap would be 2 years from now from the current cap assuming the pre COVID growth projections hold up and the drop off is entirely due to lost stadium revenue.

Even if you assume that they do not hit that number I think it is still fairly safe to say the cap will go up from where it is now 2 years from now. It is already going to be a little weird going from 175 to around 220-230, but going from 140 to 240 would have been an impossible way to run a team.
 

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Adreme said:
If you operate under the assumption that everything returns to normal finance wise after next year I do not think they cap will be lower than what it is right now after that. Generally the cap was expected to go up by about 20 million this year and about 20 million again the following year for the cap 2 years from now being 40 million higher than it is now. Now if the cap goes down by 25 million when it should have gone down by 70 million than that leaves 45 million still left to be paid back. Per the agreement they would be paying it back over the following 4 seasons which would average out to about 11.25 million per year. So if you subtract 11.25 million from 40 million you get 28.75 million which would be how much higher the cap would be 2 years from now from the current cap assuming the pre COVID growth projections hold up and the drop off is entirely due to lost stadium revenue.

Even if you assume that they do not hit that number I think it is still fairly safe to say the cap will go up from where it is now 2 years from now. It is already going to be a little weird going from 175 to around 220-230, but going from 140 to 240 would have been an impossible way to run a team.
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Good post. Worth more than a like. People who discuss things calmly and logically should get credit for it.

I'm not sure how quickly things will return to normal but if I could predict the future I would be a very wealthy man.
 
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