After this Mess of contract negotiation, will a team be willing to pay Dak?

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I don't see Tampa Bay on there, I think Brady only plays there this one year.
They wouldn't waste their offense with Prescott.

Jags or Bears the best fit for Prescott's dour, grinding style.
 

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Do we need more team success to validate his contract demands?

4 years hasn’t been long enough for us to evaluate if we want to resign him?
It's a more of a matter of "for how much". I'd like to keep Dak, but I don't want to over pay to the detriment of the cap or team.
 

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Although Dan Snyder is about as dumb as they come—I think he was right to let Cousins go. It’s not that he has a QB now, but KC is getting paid mega bucks to be an above (slightly) average player in a team that is a top 5 QB away from being a shoe in NFCE title game participant.
Like Dak- Kirk wanted money he wasn’t worth.


We see one example after another where the new top paid QB for a year until the next big deal is done isn’t one of the top 5 talented QB’s.

We saw it in 2017 with Stafford. Ryan was in 2018. Romo in 2013. More common than not we see a QB become the highest paid who aren’t arguably Top 5. It usually only last 1 year.

Watson and Jackson next year expected to be near 40 million or more as Mahommes has again raised the Bar.

And if we want Dak it’s probably going to be closer to that neighborhood. And why if we had attempted to meet Daks demand this year which I’d heard unofficially to be closer to 37 ( which next year will be the franchise tag)then it most likely would save us moving forward if we are intent on resigning him.

In the end if we don’t believe Dak is one of these top 5-10 QB’s then we will move on. But we must be prepared for the consequences of finding another franchise QB and the criticism attached.

I understand it’s like damn if you do or be damned if you don’t and why most teams find a way and give in to these demands because life in the NFL is tough without a franchise QB.
 

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Four years could be fine when there's a rookie year left, but this would have been a new contract, not an extension. With the amount of money allegedly being 33-35 a year, there is no easy way to spread that out over 4 years. Even in the best of times with the cap rising as usual, his cap hit would be too high in just the 2nd year of his contract. Unless they did a stupid contract like 20, 25, 30, and 65. His guaranteed money would be 75 and you'd have no choice but to release him after the 3rd year.
I get that - I always understood why the Cowboys wanted the 5th year. I just felt like there may have been a better chance of the Cowboys bending before the deadline and figuring out a way to make 4 years work if the season was assured.

The one factor you aren’t considering is that restructuring To spread out the cap hit might have been possible a couple of years into the contract. A lot of QBs are willing to do that at some point during the life of a big contract.
 

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It's a more of a matter of "for how much". I'd like to keep Dak, but I don't want to over pay to the detriment of the cap or team.
It comes down to what’s going to hurt more. Over paying Dak or potentially not having a Franchise QB. And the consequences that come with that.

Is there anyway to pinch the Cap elsewhere? Is that one backup OL for example going to be more critical than not having a Franchise QB.

Ultimately these are the very tough decisions that must be made. I’m not necessarily arguing to resigning Dak. I’m arguing what the effects could be and trying to weigh in moving forward.

I’d argue that history would support if you are All In or sold your guy could be enough that you find a way to sign him cause it’s so hard finding a QB. We made Romo the highest paid QB and he wasn’t top 5.

Lions did with Stafford in 2017. Falcons with Ryan in 2018. Wilson in 2019. The list and examples go on. Dak wouldn’t be the top paid long and is only going to cost us more. The new benchmark is likely to be 40 million with Watson and Jackson next year.
 

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I get that - I always understood why the Cowboys wanted the 5th year. I just felt like there may have been a better chance of the Cowboys bending before the deadline and figuring out a way to make 4 years work if the season was assured.

The one factor you aren’t considering is that restructuring To spread out the cap hit might have been possible a couple of years into the contract. A lot of QBs are willing to do that at some point during the life of a big contract.

Actually I did consider it, and rejected it! But seriously, I fully believe you could be right. I was just pointing out there would still be a problem that isn't easily overcome. I thought of a restructure, but when would they do that? Usually, like in Russell Wilson's case, they restructured the last year of his contract before the extension so they could probably dump bonus money. I just don't see a good way of doing it with a 4 year contract that isn't an extension.
 

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We see one example after another where the new top paid QB for a year until the next big deal is done isn’t one of the top 5 talented QB’s.

We saw it in 2017 with Stafford. Ryan was in 2018. Romo in 2013. More common than not we see a QB become the highest paid who aren’t arguably Top 5. It usually only last 1 year.

Watson and Jackson next year expected to be near 40 million or more as Mahommes has again raised the Bar.

And if we want Dak it’s probably going to be closer to that neighborhood. And why if we had attempted to meet Daks demand this year which I’d heard unofficially to be closer to 37 ( which next year will be the franchise tag)then it most likely would save us moving forward if we are intent on resigning him.

In the end if we don’t believe Dak is one of these top 5-10 QB’s then we will move on. But we must be prepared for the consequences of finding another franchise QB and the criticism attached.

I understand it’s like damn if you do or be damned if you don’t and why most teams find a way and give in to these demands because life in the NFL is tough without a franchise QB.

If the offer from the Cowboys was 5 years $175 million with $110 million guaranteed them by not signing Prescott is clearly more concerned with being paid as much as he can than being paid well and playing on one of the most QB friendly offenses in the league. Do not forgot the state tax benefits.

Wentz is an All Pro QB and he has a ring. Goff is a multiple pro bowl QB and he reached a SB. Both were high first round picks. All facts no opinion. A year back they signed for $32-33 million a season with similar guaranteed money to Prescott. The Mahomes contract is basically irrelevant to Prescott given the way it was structured.

Covid-19 will impact upon revenue and as a result likely the salary cap for a few years.

Even if Prescott can get $37-$38 million a season is it really worth it for him? It just seems a strange decision unless his priority is money as there's little reason to believe the Cowboys front office will budge from their current offer in relation to the salary cap given their stance over the past two years.

A lot of players would do the same but my point is given the above I do not really see how or why people would think that money isn't the priority for Prescott. Which is a concern as a Cowboys fan having a QB playing on the tag with his legs being his best weapon. I can see a lot of business decisions throughout the season.
 

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Actually I did consider it, and rejected it! But seriously, I fully believe you could be right. I was just pointing out there would still be a problem that isn't easily overcome. I thought of a restructure, but when would they do that? Usually, like in Russell Wilson's case, they restructured the last year of his contract before the extension so they could probably dump bonus money. I just don't see a good way of doing it with a 4 year contract that isn't an extension.
I agree it’s difficult. I’ve always understood both sides, and don’t begrudge the Cowboys for insisting on 5 years. I just felt a compromise might have been more possible had this season, and the revenues that were expected to go with it, been assured, and In turn had the Cowboys been able to view the negotiation with the expectation of having Dak a full 4 years in a world where the salary cap keeps climbing all the time.
 

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It comes down to what’s going to hurt more. Over paying Dak or potentially not having a Franchise QB. And the consequences that come with that.

Is there anyway to pinch the Cap elsewhere? Is that one backup OL for example going to be more critical than not having a Franchise QB.

Ultimately these are the very tough decisions that must be made. I’m not necessarily arguing to resigning Dak. I’m arguing what the effects could be and trying to weigh in moving forward.

I’d argue that history would support if you are All In or sold your guy could be enough that you find a way to sign him cause it’s so hard finding a QB. We made Romo the highest paid QB and he wasn’t top 5.

Lions did with Stafford in 2017. Falcons with Ryan in 2018. Wilson in 2019. The list and examples go on. Dak wouldn’t be the top paid long and is only going to cost us more. The new benchmark is likely to be 40 million with Watson and Jackson next year.

What are the consequences for over paying a QB? Over paying is one thing, but the most important concern is the percentage of the cap hit. Regardless of what percentage that is, at some point it starts to matter. If you lose too many impact players then what difference does your franchise QB make? Wait for him to retire to rebuild? Rinse and repeat?
 

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If the offer from the Cowboys was 5 years $175 million with $110 million guaranteed them by not signing Prescott is clearly more concerned with being paid as much as he can than being paid well and playing on one of the most QB friendly offenses in the league. Do not forgot the state tax benefits.

Wentz is an All Pro QB and he has a ring. Goff is a multiple pro bowl QB and he reached a SB. Both were high first round picks. All facts no opinion. A year back they signed for $32-33 million a season with similar guaranteed money to Prescott. The Mahomes contract is basically irrelevant to Prescott given the way it was structured.

Covid-19 will impact upon revenue and as a result likely the salary cap for a few years.

Even if Prescott can get $37-$38 million a season is it really worth it for him? It just seems a strange decision unless his priority is money as there's little reason to believe the Cowboys front office will budge from their current offer in relation to the salary cap given their stance over the past two years.

A lot of players would do the same but my point is given the above I do not really see how or why people would think that money isn't the priority for Prescott. Which is a concern as a Cowboys fan having a QB playing on the tag with his legs being his best weapon. I can see a lot of business decisions throughout the season.
Wentz has a ring that was won without him under center For a single playoff game that season, so I don’t understand people trying to act as if he was a Super Bowl winning QB. If you want to talk about hm being the QB for much of the regular season and helping the team get to the playoffs, fine, I agree with that. Dak has done that as well.

As for money being a priority for Dak, of course it is. The whole reason he wants 4 years instead of 5 is so he can get another contract sooner when the market is higher. But from most reports He wasn’t asking for $37-38 million. Most reports indicate the average salary he was seeking for 4 years wasn’t much more than Wentz or Goff got for their 4 year extension. And his point is valid for his side of the negotiation, but the problem from the Cowboys side is they wouldn’t get the flexibility the Eagles and Rams got to spread the cap hit more by doing an extension while the existing contract was still in effect.
 

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Wentz has a ring that was won without him under center For a single playoff game that season, so I don’t understand people trying to act as if he was a Super Bowl winning QB. If you want to talk about hm being the QB for much of the regular season and helping the team get to the playoffs, fine, I agree with that. Dak has done that as well.

As for money being a priority for Dak, of course it is. The whole reason he wants 4 years instead of 5 is so he can get another contract sooner when the market is higher. But from most reports He wasn’t asking for $37-38 million. Most reports indicate the average salary he was seeking for 4 years wasn’t much more than Wentz or Goff got for their 4 year extension. And his point is valid for his side of the negotiation, but the problem from the Cowboys side is they wouldn’t get the flexibility the Eagles and Rams got to spread the cap hit more by doing an extension while the existing contract was still in effect.
I was just stating a fact that Carson Wentz has a Superbowl ring. He wasn't a backup throughout the season. Yes he was injured for the post season but Wentz was a key factor in the team achieving the #1 seed in the NFC. He was 2/7 in the betting to be the league MVP before he tore his ACL very late during the regular season. He accepted an average of around $32 million a season last year.

A year on and if Prescott was offered and rejected $35 million a season with similar guaranteed money to Wentz and Goff then Prescott will be moving after this season unless he accepts less money which is very unlikely given negotiations over the prior 18 months.
 

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I was just stating a fact that Carson Wentz has a Superbowl ring. He wasn't a backup throughout the season. Yes he was injured for the post season but Wentz was a key factor in the team achieving the #1 seed in the NFC. He was 2/7 in the betting to be the league MVP before he tore his ACL very late during the regular season. He accepted an average of around $32 million a season last year.

A year on and if Prescott was offered and rejected $35 million a season with similar guaranteed money to Wentz and Goff then Prescott will be moving after this season unless he accepts less money which is very unlikely given negotiations over the prior 18 months.
You are arguing a point I already addressed. Dak was also a key factor in the Cowboys getting the #1 seed in the NFC in 2016, accordingly Wentz didn’t accomplish more while under center than Dak did. And what you are missing with DaK is, that at least according to reports, which is all we really have to go by, Dak was okay with $34-35 million/year, it was the 5th year that he objected to.
 

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If Wentz struggles with injury this season and Hurts comes in and does well then there's every chance the Eagles will trade Wentz at the end of this season. He's on a contract that several teams would take a chance on.

They have positioned themselves well as they have given themselves long term options at QB.
 

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You are arguing a point I already addressed. Dak was also a key factor in the Cowboys getting the #1 seed in the NFC in 2016, accordingly Wentz didn’t accomplish more while under center than Dak did. And what you are missing with DaK is, that at least according to reports, which is all we really have to go by, Dak was okay with $34-35 million/year, it was the 5th year that he objected to.
No Wentz did achieve more because he would have been the league MVP if he just played two more games or maybe even one. In recent years (bar injury) the betting for MVP has been 100% once players are under even money. It was a done deal then he tore his ACL.

Prescott was never in the running for league MVP in 2016 because in reality neither he or the team would have won that many games without Zeke taking the league by storm. Wentz had a guy with one knee in the backfield. Ajayi was also far less effective in the post season compared with how he played with Wentz which suggests Wentz was killing it through the air creating big holes in the running game for him.

I'm not having Prescott was as good in 2016 than Wentz was in 2017 but I accept Prescott is far more durable than him.
 

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No Wentz did achieve more because he would have been the league MVP if he just played two more games or maybe even one. In recent years (bar injury) the betting for MVP has been 100% once players are under even money. It was a done deal then he tore his ACL.

Prescott was never in the running for league MVP in 2016 because in reality neither he or the team would have won that many games without Zeke taking the league by storm. Wentz had a guy with one knee in the backfield. Ajayi was also far less effective in the post season compared with how he played with Wentz which suggests Wentz was killing it through the air creating big holes in the running game for him.

I'm not having Prescott was as good in 2016 than Wentz was in 2017 but I accept Prescott is far more durable than him.

I find it odd that a guy who has never been able to stay healthy enough to find out how he would end up as a playoff QB or MVP candidate gets credit with some for being a Super Bowl winning QB and MVP anyway. Durability is a key factor as well.
 

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What are the consequences for over paying a QB? Over paying is one thing, but the most important concern is the percentage of the cap hit. Regardless of what percentage that is, at some point it starts to matter. If you lose too many impact players then what difference does your franchise QB make? Wait for him to retire to rebuild? Rinse and repeat?
We’ve been resigning arguably all of our other impact players like Lawrence, Cooper, Elliott and OL. But we’ve drawn the line in the sand with our QB.
 

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I seriously believe this site is the best place to come if you’re looking for some pure Dak hate.
Reading these comments you’d think he was Ryan leaf.
Man, for what he’s been able to accomplish, he gets absolutely zero recognition. Smh what a joke
 
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