Any Concerns about Mike Nolan as Defensive Coordinator

quickccc

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Nolan had the worst defense in the NFL in 2014.

Got his HC fired, and him self.

Now we have this mess in Dallas.

and what about his other defensive stints ? what about his entire body of work as DC ?
that's what i want to find out - NYG, Denver, Miami,Baltimore, Washington, NY Jets, and how much was he helped with
personnel dept to provide the proper players. ..?
 

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and what about his other defensive stints ? what about his entire body of work as DC ?
that's what i want to find out - NYG, Denver, Miami,Baltimore, Washington, NY Jets, and how much was he helped with
personnel dept to provide the proper players. ..?

That’s the problem.

4 decent seasons since 2003.

It’s not a good coaching history.

In fact, it stinks.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/NolaMi0.htm
 

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Yes I wasn’t a fan of his hiring but I’ll give him a shot.
Agreed! I find nothing in Nolan's past to make any of us cheery about his arrival. Having said that, we can only hope that he can use the talent we have on this defense. I still think we need a DIFFERENCE-MAKER in the secondary (Jamal Adams) to compensate for a lot of the shortcomings of Nolan as a DC, and it wouldn't hurt to add either Clowney or E. Griffen on the D-line. Me thinks unless Armstrong clearly outplays Anae, he may be on the out, as well as Trysten Hill.
 

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We will see. My hope is the time in NO’s rubbed off on him. That defense was pretty stout even though he was just the LB coach.
 

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We will see. My hope is the time in NO’s rubbed off on him. That defense was pretty stout even though he was just the LB coach.

It’s very obvious why he was hired...

he’s big buddies with big Mike.
 

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The one offseason hire that I wasn’t a big fan of when it went down.
 

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We’ve changed DC’s a number of times over the years and the defense continues to be an issue which points to the players as being the biggest problem.
 

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Our best talent has been on the offensive side of the ball which is why it’s performed consistently over the years. We’ve had a few real good players defensively but there’s been too many holes around them. One or two real good players aren’t going to make a solid unit. A Demarcus Ware can only do so much. Our DL gets manhandled too often and we don’t have playmakers which is why we don’t get many takeaways. Safety has been a huge issue for years. You’re not going to build a consistent unit with average players. It’s not like we haven’t invested high picks on the defense they just haven’t turned out that good.
 

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LVE had a terrific rookie season and Jaylon emerged only to have both players fall off last season. Inconsistency has been the story with the defense over the years. At times it can look good but the D can’t maintain a high level of play for very long especially when the playoffs arrive. It always flames out by December and January. It’s been a very frustrating unit over the years.
 
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We entered the draft looking to go heavy on defense because we need better players. Most of the DC’s we’ve had have had success when they had great players. The bottom line is we need some playmakers.
 

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LVE had a terrific rookie season and Jaylon emerged only to have both players fall off last season. Inconsistency has been the story with the defense over the years. At times it can look good but the D can’t maintain a high level of play for very long especially when the playoffs arrive. It always flames out by December and January. It’s been a very frustrating unit over the years. Every coordinator we’ve brought in has become frustrated with the players.

the pass rush has been woefully inconsistent, we've been ousted twice in playoffs by Rodgers and GB, we just have not been able to get to him and disrupt him, ditto the last two times we've faced him in reg season.

We didn't bring a physicality muscle upfront which amounts to some team successfully being able to run on us, ..and what is the ever deal with
teams using the screen pass against us on a regular basis.

We stubbornly believe we can/should just be able to straight up 'do what we do " no disguise or fronts, keep it simple in the bend don't break
mode.
We just could not win like this - and to make matter worse, we just don't believe in a middle ground impact vet player in FA.
.. no Earl Thomas, no Calanis Campbell, etc.

It's still clearly the defense as to why we either got kicked out of playoffs,..or don't even make the playoffs.
We simply have to change how we play defense.
 

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the pass rush has been woefully inconsistent, we've been ousted twice in playoffs by Rodgers and GB, we just have not been able to get to him and disrupt him, ditto the last two times we've faced him in reg season.

We didn't bring a physicality muscle upfront which amounts to some team successfully being able to run on us, ..and what is the ever deal with
teams using the screen pass against us on a regular basis.

We stubbornly believe we can/should just be able to straight up 'do what we do " no disguise or fronts, keep it simple in the bend don't break
mode.
We just could not win like this - and to make matter worse, we just don't believe in a middle ground impact vet player in FA.
.. no Earl Thomas, no Calanis Campbell, etc.

It's still clearly the defense as to why we either got kicked out of playoffs,..or don't even make the playoffs.
We simply have to change how we play defense.

The pass rush and run defense have been inconsistent. Not getting takeaways has also been a big problem. You would have to go back to the 90s to find a Cowboys defense that stepped up in the playoffs. Every time we make the playoffs our defense gets us beat.
 

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How is it in the best interests of the Dallas Cowboys to hire a DC who is washed up?

Washed-Up: Definition: Informal: no longer effective or successful

See Atlanta 2012-2014
 

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How is it in the best interests of the Dallas Cowboys to hire a DC who is washed up?

Washed-Up: Definition: Informal: no longer effective or successful

See Atlanta 2012-2014

- Probably because McCarthy, who he is familiar with, doesn't think he washed up, ..
- Probably because he's taking his overall body of work with several past teams (not just one) into factor.
- Probably because MM is betting on the personnel dept here tobetter supply Nolan with more than what he had to work with in ATL.

- That being said, McCarthy's failing in GB that helped caused his demise and departure was too late a lack of change
from his incumbent DC Dom Capers. So it's extremely critical what he presents here as DC that will decide his success or failure fate here
in Dallas.
 

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yes i dont think he is a very good defensive coordinator (people say he is great at coaching linebackers though) but i do hope that they will be “good enough” and nolan is the voice on defense none of this two different defensive coordinators stupid thing that jerry set up with richard and marinelli so that should help a lot.
 

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yes i dont think he is a very good defensive coordinator (people say he is great at coaching linebackers though) but i do hope that they will be “good enough” and nolan is the voice on defense none of this two different defensive coordinators stupid thing that jerry set up with richard and marinelli so that should help a lot.

Why would big Mike want to hire a washed up DC? we are trying to win a Super Bowl.

How does hiring a DC who hasn't been successful in nearly a decade help us win?

Nolan is going to be paid big $$$ for that DC job. The pay back for Nolan helping Mike back in 2005 is obvious.
 

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The only expectations I have are that he be better than Marinelli and his staff. I'm not that worried about that.

Marinelli could not scout for players. He could not organize a secondary much less a full coverage scheme. Nolan does both of those things better. He also gets pressure and turnovers. We'll see how it turns out but I would like to see some pro style coaching from the modern era and we were not getting that.
 

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The only expectations I have are that he be better than Marinelli and his staff. I'm not that worried about that.

Marinelli could not scout for players. He could not organize a secondary much less a full coverage scheme. Nolan does both of those things better. He also gets pressure and turnovers. We'll see how it turns out but I would like to see some pro style coaching from the modern era and we were not getting that.

I think their are big questions with the LB and both secondary coaches.

Linguist and Harris are not at KRichards level. It’s not even close. When you have to hire two coaches to replace one, there are issues.

is ScottM an upgrade at LB? I guess. He was an assistant at GB.
 

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I think their are big questions with the LB and both secondary coaches.

Linguist and Harris are not at KRichards level. It’s not even close. When you have to hire two coaches to replace one, there are issues.

is ScottM an upgrade at LB? I guess. He was an assistant at GB.

Maybe. I feel that Richard and Marinelli never meshed their systems. These new coaches are much more likely to see eye to eye with the current staff.
 

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Maybe. I feel that Richard and Marinelli never meshed their systems. These new coaches are much more likely to see eye to eye with the current staff.

It's too bad we couldn't keep KRichard. But he was never going to stay. He wants his own gig.

he certainly was not going to stay under Nolan. [who could blame him?]

How can you mesh together the #LegionOfBoom Cover 3 with the Nolan/Jacked up BBDB?
 
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