Jamal Adams Traded to Seattle

cowboygo · Jul 27, 2020

Hawkeye19 said:
Yep. The Hawks got a great player at a ridiculous price. Will they be better? Yes.

Will they miss those picks? Yes.

Completely agree with you. Had Dallas made the same move, the media and our fan base would be roasting the Jones’ boys.

yup. we got roasted for sending a 1st for Amari Cooper.

baltcowboy · Jul 27, 2020

aria said:
My thoughts exactly, I wonder if they’ll go after Clowney for a one year deal now, I’d actually be surprised if they didn’t. From what I’ve heard they have the cap space with a few minor restructures or minor cuts.

That’s also assuming Clowney would go for it but since he already knows the system, has a chance to win a SB and Adams will only help him look better I don’t know why he wouldn’t unless he sells out to the highest bidder but he already declined Cleveland so who knows.

Totally agree. They have a chance to win the Super Bowl with this trade. It’s obvious that they are all in plus Adams fits Seattle’s scheme. I am not sure if he fits what we want to do. Then again I have no idea what we are on defense this season.

aria · Jul 27, 2020

Cowboyny said:
How do I know? They haven't been back to the Super Bowl since. They had a loaded roster, perhaps the most talented at the time, but had to go through somewhat of a rebuild due to giving up all these future picks. Wilson is a top 3 QB in this league, he is the reason why they have been in the playoffs so much. Look at what they have surrounded Wilson with, a bunch of average players, especially along the OL. The talent level on this team is average at best.

You can only look at what has happened, everything is hypothetical cause we do not know what players they would of selected if they went in that direction. Before destroying the NFC East as being the worst division, the same thing was said about the NFC West when Seattle started their run. Outside of Seattle's 1 super bowl victory, the NFC East has the same with the Eagles.

So if an average team almost made it to the conference championship, what do you call our roster at 8-8?

coogrfan · Jul 27, 2020

Zordon said:
Some franchises are actually all-in on winning championships, others are content just talking about it.

Anyways, here comes the "they paid too much" crowd.

Given the fact that there's a very strong chance that the 2020 season won't be completed (or even get off the ground), going "all-in" this year would be incredibly stupid.

Deep_Freeze · Jul 27, 2020

Some of the best trades are the ones you don't make.

That would've been a truly awful trade if we had done it, and I would've been the first in line to roast Jerry for that one.

Nice job of staying out of that, Jerry.

Direwolf63 · Jul 27, 2020

Love Adams the player, but the only way I'm giving up that much draft capital AND paying a guy $15M a year is for a QB.

Cowboyny · Jul 27, 2020

aria said:
So if an average team almost made it to the conference championship, what do you call our roster at 8-8?

Carroll is considered one of the best HC's in the entire league, Garrett with far more talent, failed achieve any kind of success. Let's see what a real coach can do with this Cowboy Team.

aria · Jul 27, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Carroll is considered one of the best HC's in the entire league, Garrett with far more talent, failed achieve any kind of success. Let's see what a real coach can do with this Cowboy Team.

Yup, we’ll see what this coach can do without a HOF QB. As I said, I think Lamb will be the savior in all of this.

Not to mention. I wouldn’t say Garrett had far more talent, I’d say almost every year the Cowboys fans over rate the Cowboys talent to a large degree. About the only positional group worthy of high praise is the O line. TE hasn’t been the same for years, Cooper only shows up in half the games, a lot of RB’s do what zeke does and everyone has their own theory on Dak.

Dlaw has been iffy, we just let our best defenseman walk along with our sack leader, we have an extremely over rated LB’er in Jaylon and another LB’er who was great his rookie year, fell off his 2nd year and then got injured so who knows. Our secondary was slightly above average with Jones, no telling how it will be now, probably not as good but Jones didn’t get INT’s so who cares if he took out other teams best receivers

Cowboyny · Jul 27, 2020

aria said:
Yup, we’ll see what this coach can do without a HOF QB. As I said, I think Lamb will be the savior in all of this.

Not to mention. I wouldn’t say Garrett had far more talent, I’d say almost every year the Cowboys fans over rate the Cowboys talent to a large degree. About the only positional group worthy of high praise is the O line. TE hasn’t been the same for years, Cooper only shows up in half the games, a lot of RB’s do what zeke does and everyone has their own theory on Dak.

Dlaw has been iffy, we just let our best defenseman walk along with our sack leader, we have an extremely over rated LB’er in Jaylon and another LB’er who was great his rookie year, fell off his 2nd year and then got injured so who knows. Our secondary was slightly above average with Jones, no telling how it will be now, probably not as good but Jones didn’t get INT’s so who cares if he took out other teams best receivers

I agree that many overrate our talent. It is going to be interesting to see if MM can have more success with about the same amount of talent Jason Garrett worked with last season.

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Jul 27, 2020

Cowboyny said:
I agree that many overrate our talent. It is going to be interesting to see if MM can have more success with about the same amount of talent Jason Garrett worked with last season.

Agree, will say with Lamb and any TE not named JW, the offense should be better and more potent.

JohnnyHopkins · Jul 27, 2020

I never thought Adams would make it here. When is the last time Dallas even bothered to use a third round pick on a safety, much less two firsts and a third. Fun to speculate though.

aria · Jul 27, 2020

Cowboyny said:
I agree that many overrate our talent. It is going to be interesting to see if MM can have more success with about the same amount of talent Jason Garrett worked with last season.

Yeah, as a I said, I think the addition of Lamb will be a game changer, someone will almost always be open. I’m not sure even JG could screw it up.

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Jul 27, 2020

aria said:
Yeah, as a I said, I think the addition of Lamb will be a game changer, someone will almost always be open. I’m not sure even JG could screw it up.

Glad we don't have to find out to that last part.

aria · Jul 27, 2020

Cowboysheelsreds053 said:
Glad we don't have to find out to that last part.

It will be interesting to see what he can do without one of the best O lines in the league and pretty lackluster receivers.

jterrell · Jul 27, 2020

I seriously do not understand how folks are arguing SEA made a good move here.

They gave up the ghost for an all Pro Safety who has to be paid at top of Safety market.
This is the move of a team trying to make one last run with a 38 year old franchise QB not proper team mgmt with a prime Russ at QB.

R1 picks are "projected to be" late but don't have to be and losing cost certainty on good players is a terrible idea in a time of tightened budgets.
If you are struggling to draft well then giving up picks to draft less seems a very weird move to make.

3 picks plus a player for a player and 1 pick is simply a pretty big net loss of resources.
Especially when those resources are 1st rounders and you'll draft outside the top 50 for each of the next two seasons and have been missing before then.
They traded for Clowney and look set to lose him for nothing.
It's a very weird strategy given they initially built the team through the draft and hitting on guys like Russ, Sherman, Wagner.

jterrell · Jul 27, 2020

not sure any of those trades are big wins for team making the trade for the star player.
a couple are absolute failures.

75boyz · Jul 27, 2020

jterrell said:
not sure any of those trades are big wins for team making the trade for the star player.
a couple are absolute failures.

Julio and Eli I think, nope my bad, Eli was for a third, one first and fifth.

75boyz · Jul 27, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Carroll is considered one of the best HC's in the entire league, Garrett with far more talent, failed achieve any kind of success. Let's see what a real coach can do with this Cowboy Team.

This same real coach lost a game to those same Seahawks after what was it, 4 or 3 first half interceptions to Wilson in the playoffs. Not what I would call a masterpiece of coaching by any stretch.

Had a 15-1 squad with home field through out fold to those pesky opportunistic Giants.

I mean, no offense personally but I just don't get the love affair with this new staff because to me it resembles looking at the same thing Dallas has suffered from as a team.
Defensive collapses in the playoffs.

Blame it all on Capers or his successor or whatever. McCarthy's playoff defenses sucked historically except for the lone championship run. I guess one run is more than Garrett could muster but I would caution the entire fan base to temper the defensive expectations to something resembling what they've already seen.

Just too many games as supporting evidence to ignore.

fivetwos · Jul 27, 2020

75boyz said:
This same real coach lost a game to those same Seahawks after what was it, 4 or 3 first half interceptions to Wilson in the playoffs. Not what I would call a masterpiece of coaching by any stretch.

Had a 15-1 squad with home field through out fold to those pesky opportunistic Giants.

I mean, no offense personally but I just don't get the love affair with this new staff because to me it resembles looking at the same thing Dallas has suffered from as a team.
Defensive collapses in the playoffs.

Blame it all on Capers or his successor or whatever. McCarthy's playoff defenses sucked historically except for the lone championship run. I guess one run is more than Garrett could muster but I would caution the entire fan base to temper the defensive expectations to something resembling what they've already seen.

Just too many games as supporting evidence to ignore.

Couple things here....

Garrett gone and anything is better.

Jerry actually seemed to allow (except retaining his next hand picked puppet which he thinks no one notices) MM to pick his own staff, thereby selling hope yet again.

Coaches history doesnt really mean what they will and wont achieve at the next destination.

Think Andy Reid in KC up against recycled winners that havent panned out.

MM has a chance here. The argument could be made for or against anyone.

75boyz · Jul 27, 2020

fivetwos said:
Couple things here....

Garrett gone and anything is better.

Jerry actually seemed to allow (except retaining his next hand picked puppet which he thinks no one notices) MM to pick his own staff, thereby selling hope yet again.

Coaches history doesnt really mean what they will and wont achieve at the next destination.

Think Andy Reid in KC up against recycled winners that havent panned out.

MM has a chance here. The argument could be made for or against anyone.

Nice post with excellent comparison example with Reid.
But I especially like your subtle mention of Jerry's hand picked puppet comment as my personal crystal ball sees a future downward spiral and said puppet being named HC by yr 3 of this current staffs demise. That's Jerry's guy. His Way. Just like Garrett.

Might not happen like I see it but just my opinion like any other.

Again, nice post.

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