Twitter: Since 2016 feeding Zeke has 0 correlation to winning

aria said:

I’m glad you posted this but it shows even the people who disagree with me how full of crap you are, when I’ve posted about zeke the player I almost always support it with links and facts which is much more than the people who I’m arguing with do. All you can point to is total yards which is almost always a result of most carries which is a direct result of play calling. That has little to do with the actual player and everything to do with the coaching and a good deal to do with the O line.

So what specifically have I said that you disagree with that relates specifically to zeke as a player, not the person? Since your mentally handicapped or illiterate or both, I’ll be more than happy to provide you with the facts you claim I don’t support even though I already have which is proof you don’t know near as much about my posting as you claim to.

The balls in your court big daddy, put up or shut up.

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@Starforever think I forgot? Let me refresh your memory since it’s been about 36 hours, you called me out by saying “you have no facts to back up anything you’ve stated”.

So in case you missed it, read my post directly above this response. I’m still waiting.

QuincyCarterEra said:

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how often they "feed" him may not correlate, but how successful he is does. He's had 26 career games of over 100 yards and the Cowboys have only lost twice. Like someone said, it's about balance, and if the team can achieve a balance on offense where neither the running game or the passing game has to carry the bulk of the burden consistently, they will be more successful.

OmerV said:

how often they "feed" him may not correlate, but how successful he is does. He's had 26 career games of over 100 yards and the Cowboys have only lost twice. Like someone said, it's about balance, and if the team can achieve a balance on offense where neither the running game or the passing game has to carry the bulk of the burden consistently, they will be more successful.

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Thank you for providing some context and perspective when just throwing out a stat to prove an agenda.

You need to dig down a little bit and find out what made the stat. Was this all on Zeke? Coaching? Facing a focused and prepared defense?

Sydla said:

As I have said a billion times, Zeke is a great back. But in today's NFL you don't need a "great" back to win and you certainly don't need to pay one a crap ton of money to win. They were smart in 2014 when they let Murray walk. They panicked after the QB position went to poop in 2015 so they overreacted and drafted a RB high thinking that was the key to success that was missing in 2015.

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This is a question to you, and anyone else that was not for extending Zeke. What would you have done differently?

McKDaddy said:

Facts? Don't know how you can say that. Statistics are simply a summary of measurements without context. True analysis of individual play within a team sport is much different than statistics but inevitably to some degree opinion.
I have stated my reasons as clearly as i know how. If you disagree, that's fine.

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Statistics summary with the context lmao.

McKDaddy said:

Facts? Don't know how you can say that. Statistics are simply a summary of measurements without context. True analysis of individual play within a team sport is much different than statistics but inevitably to some degree opinion.
I have stated my reasons as clearly as i know how. If you disagree, that's fine.

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You want fact. Jason Witten Dez Bryant. It was Prescott who threw them the first ever playoff touchdown catches. Prescott has won more primetime games since he’s been in the league there any other quarterback. I could go on but you don’t want to fact you want your opinion

Flamma said:

This is a question to you, and anyone else that was not for extending Zeke. What would you have done differently?

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I would’ve done much different I just Would’ve never re-signed him. Especially because his current contract wasn’t up. It’s not like you really helped us anyways. Tripping over his own ego on the goal line. As many turnovers as he has touchdowns. Lucky got some of them back. Look I think he’s a great third down back. I don’t think he’s a great all-around back. How many times has he taken himself out of the games and key moments when he should’ve at least stayed in as a decoy.

Whirlwin said:

I would’ve done much different I just Would’ve never re-signed him. Especially because his current contract wasn’t up. It’s not like you really helped us anyways. Tripping over his own ego on the goal line. As many turnovers as he has touchdowns. Lucky got some of them back. Look I think he’s a great third down back. I don’t think he’s a great all-around back. How many times has he taken himself out of the games and key moments when he should’ve at least stayed in as a decoy.

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I'm just wondering what you would have done differently. So you wouldn't have paid him and let him walk after this season at the age of 25?

Whirlwin said:

you don’t want to fact you want your opinion

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why ya gotta be like that? we had a civil exchange of viewpoints. at no point did i disparage you or your views just simply tried to state mine as clearly as i could. all you had to do was say "agree to disagree".

aria said:

I’m glad you posted this but it shows even the people who disagree with me how full of crap you are, when I’ve posted about zeke the player I almost always support it with links and facts which is much more than the people who I’m arguing with do. All you can point to is total yards which is almost always a result of most carries which is a direct result of play calling. That has little to do with the actual player and everything to do with the coaching and a good deal to do with the O line.

So what specifically have I said that you disagree with that relates specifically to zeke as a player, not the person? Since your mentally handicapped or illiterate or both, I’ll be more than happy to provide you with the facts you claim I don’t support even though I already have which is proof you don’t know near as much about my posting as you claim to.

The balls in your court big daddy, put up or shut up.

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What you and other ignorant posters, like yourself, don't understand is; I don't care about stats. I read your comments, and base my statements on how YOU personally attack an individual.

These, are Dallas Cowboy players, and nothing any of us say matters to the salary cap, free agency, salaries, acquisitions, etc. I see and understand more than you think, but I choose not to get into analytics, due to the inconsistency of data.

QuincyCarterEra said:

Lol it stinks you can't delete this at this point after getting taken to school by "mr simpleton"

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Aria, has not based anything on the original topic. He is loosely interjecting comments, hoping one of his lemmings join in, and it worked.

aria said:

@Starforever think I forgot? Let me refresh your memory since it’s been about 36 hours, you called me out by saying “you have no facts to back up anything you’ve stated”.

So in case you missed it, read my post directly above this response. I’m still waiting.

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That whole comment was total embellishment. Dear sir, I don't spend all of my time on this forum. I have a life, family, and a career. You had me blocked, because you could not get a foothold; I guess you have your second wind.

Starforever said:

What you and other ignorant posters, like yourself, don't understand is; I don't care about stats. I read your comments, and base my statements on how YOU personally attack an individual.

These, are Dallas Cowboy players, and nothing any of us say matters to the salary cap, free agency, salaries, acquisitions, etc. I see and understand more than you think, but I choose not to get into analytics, due to the inconsistency of data.

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So you’re crawfishing now, got it. You said “you have no facts to back up anything you’ve stated.” So for the THIRD time, what have I stated that I haven’t backed up with stats and/or facts? Or don’t answer the question and just admit your full of crap, I’ll take eithe one.

Starforever said:

That whole comment was total embellishment. Dear sir, I don't spend all of my time on this forum. I have a life, family, and a career. You had me blocked, because you could not get a foothold; I guess you have your second wind.

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No, I unblocked you because I saw someone was arguing with a person who was clearly clueless and I had to see who it was...low and behold there you were but you are reminding me of why I blocked you in the first place, good refresher.

Zeke is not the player he was as a rookie. He doesn’t have the explosion or ability to run through tackles for big plays like he did. Also Jason Garrett was a deplorable HC that had no idea how to properly use him.

buybuydandavis said:

First 3 games we passed 70% on first downs. Then someone, like The Red Menace, shut that down and started doggedly and predictably slamming Zeke into stacked boxes. And that's despite success on each of the few times we threw instead.

Can't just stop the run. Can't just stop the pass.

2019 Cowboys were not the 2017 Cowboys.
2019 Cooper and Gallup were not 2017 Dez and Williams.
2019 Moore was not 2017 Linehan.
2019 Dak was not 2017 Dak.
2019 Tyron was not 2017 Tyron.

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nobody stop Moore from throwing, he favored the run game as well, said it when he became OC that Zeke would still be the focal point.

OmerV said:

how often they "feed" him may not correlate, but how successful he is does. He's had 26 career games of over 100 yards and the Cowboys have only lost twice. Like someone said, it's about balance, and if the team can achieve a balance on offense where neither the running game or the passing game has to carry the bulk of the burden consistently, they will be more successful.

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Omer, do you rush more or less when your team is up?

Your example is the exact reason why the chart in the OP was made, because cause and effect aren't determined correctly on this website for some reason.

QuincyCarterEra said:

Omer, do you rush more or less when your team is up?

Your example is the exact reason why the chart in the OP was made, because cause and effect aren't determined correctly on this website for some reason.

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Obviously no stat is perfect. And I can admit the 100 yard game stat isn’t. But yours isn’t either. For example, how do you know some of those wins when Zeke didn’t run the ball as much werent helped by the opponent gearing so much on Zeke the passing game was given opportunities to throw more? In those cases, sure it’s true the number of carries didn’t contribute much to the win, but what does that n after if the mere threat of carries did?

what I don’t buy is that in the 26 wins where Dak had 100 yards the 100 yards came only because the team was ahead late in the game. Obviously that could be true in a few cases, but that cant explain away everything. Besides, in most cases when games are put away, it is late in the game, so there isn’t that much time left to run the ball, and the team is playing ultra conservative To prevent turning the ball over, and the opponent knows it, and often the goal is just to run some clock and punt. Obviously that isn’t how it works every time, but, again you can’t claim it works the way you are saying every time either.

This is shocking. Flabbergasting.

Cowboys feed Zeke when they're already likely to win? That's not unusual, mostly true for all RB's in this league.

These days you don't run the ball in the first half with the strategy that you are going to dominate on the ground. You run in the first half so you can pass in the first half. A team that can create yardage on the ground in the first half forces defenses to respect the run and stay in their lanes which makes it easier to pass, particularly play action.

Otherwise, you have what we saw in 2010. Due to the lack of any serious attempt at establishing the run, teams teed off on Tony Romo until they eventually got to him and put him out for the season. You also saw that in 2015.

I thought that it was so strange in 2010 that Garrett would almost completely abandon the run in the 1st half. That's because the running game began to establish itself late in the previous season. It was one of the reasons that the Cowboys turned the 2009 season around and finished strong until the divisional game. Early in the 2010 season you would see 12-14 passing plays in the first half before you saw a running play. Felix Jones would average over 6 yards a carry and wouldn't get more than 8 or 9 carries the entire game.

The real advantage with Zeke is that he can gain respectable yards in the first half. There are very few RB's that can average 4.7 yards a carry in the first half and no other RB has more runs of 10+ yards in the first half over the last 4 seasons. Some RB's in the NFL are very little threat to the D-line so they just concentrate on pressuring the QB. They can't do that with Zeke and it slows down the pass rush.

The real carries come in the 4th quarter when nursing a lead. I don't think anyone over the past 4 seasons has been able to eat clock like Zeke. No one comes close to the 1st downs he generates in the 4th quarter. He severely limits an opponent trying to make a comeback.