You Think Dak Stinks Question

Super_Kazuya said:

This is just dumb fear mongering. Very rarely do high draft QBs come out and completely can’t play. Even recent guys who disappointed like Winston and Mariota were viable starters and have made Pro Bowls and won playoff games. Ryan Leaf like busts don’t exist in today’s game, the QBs are very prepared and the college game is much closer to the pro game than it used to be.
And for the last time, Dak isn’t Michael Jordan and this ain’t the 98 Bulls. We can manage 8-8 fine without Dak. He will be replaced soon and no one will talk about him any more.

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You really don't think QB busts exist anymore because Mariota and Winston made a pro bowl? No one is saying Dak is the greatest athlete of all-time, but throwing him away for an unknown because there's a small chance they can be better in a few years feels like a big risk.

I am actually glad Dak is playing under the tag this year though so we can get a grasp on his market value. I hope he balls out, but if not the Dak haters may get their wish or maybe a lowet contract.

kskboys said:

It might be even a bigger gamble if we pay him top dollar and he remains at the current level. Very tough situation.

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I guess its 21 million more a season than the Joe Burrows of the world. I suppose we may have kept Byron Jones or Robert Quinn, but we had them here last year and its not like they both put us over the hump. Regardless glad we have Dak another year to evaluate. But hope he balls out.

Kingofholland said:

You really don't think QB busts exist anymore because Mariota and Winston made a pro bowl? No one is saying Dak is the greatest athlete of all-time, but throwing him away for an unknown because there's a small chance they can be better in a few years feels like a big risk.

I am actually glad Dak is playing under the tag this year though so we can get a grasp on his market value. I hope he balls out, but if not the Dak haters may get their wish or maybe a lowet contract.

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It's always risky. But you don't have to start a rookie right away. Let a solid vet play for awhile and draft a rookie. Dalton is not a bum. I don't think he's as good as Dak, but he can still probably do pretty well with the weapons the Cowboys have. Not to mention the new coaching staff.

You have to roll the dice when it comes to QBs .You might crap out or find a franchise QB.That's a chance I am willing to take.
Dak has one more season at the very least. We will have a clearer understanding after this season.
I want to see what the new coach can do with Dak and go from there.

Kingofholland said:

You really don't think QB busts exist anymore because Mariota and Winston made a pro bowl? No one is saying Dak is the greatest athlete of all-time, but throwing him away for an unknown because there's a small chance they can be better in a few years feels like a big risk.

I am actually glad Dak is playing under the tag this year though so we can get a grasp on his market value. I hope he balls out, but if not the Dak haters may get their wish or maybe a lowet contract.

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I'm saying that QB busts don't exist anymore because they don't exist anymore. Why don't you name all of these qb busts? This should be good for a laugh. Dak himself would be a "bust" if he was drafted by literally any other team.

There isn't any reason to expect a highly drafted QB to not be able to perform at Dak's level at the very least, provided you can surround them with good players. There isn't anything special about Dak, as he proved many times when his All-Pro cocoon sprung a few leaks.

Flamma said:

I didn't want him gone at first, but now I believe the time to pay him has past. I am not paying Corvette prices for a Chevy Camaro. Maybe that would make me a bad GM, I don't know. And I like Camaros, one of my favorite sports cars. The year to pay him was after 2018, not wait until he's worth the most possible money, and then pay him because you can't imagine a replacement.

We have on the roster right now a bridge quarterback. I'd probably try to trade up in the first round next season for a QB. Who's available will depend on how far. There's a big difference between a rookie contract and what Dak wants. If you're going to pay Dak, you have to be sure he's worth the difference. I don't think so right now. And who knows? Sometimes quarterbacks like Nick Foles can win a Super Bowl.

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Good analogy, but what if you needed that Camaro to take out the future Miss Flamma. You really liked the Camaro, but deep down you knew it wasnt a Vette. The only chance you have to land this woman is to come correct. So do you begrudgingly over pay for your Camaro or do you show up in your Ford Escort and hope she loves you anyways?

Lol I know its a horrible analogy, and Im sure Miss Flamma isnt a gold digger, but Daks best leverage is our opportunity to achieve greatness, and letting that slip away.

Tbh, I think you are probably right, and I feel much the same. It really depends on what he can do this season. Or even more so if he gets hurt we will see what a plug and play guy like Dalton can do. If Dalton is successful it will make Dak look very replaceable. Nonetheless, while it may not sound like it, Dak is still MY QB1.

...Had the issue come up with a friend of mine the other day...He's a Cowboy fan, but not much of a Dak fan....He see's Dak as an average QB...certainly not elite, and not deserving of say Russell Wilson money...He says a Dak contract will be detrimental to the Salary Cap and thus to the team overall...His thoughts are ...Dak is Franchised now and hopes to have a good season in 2020...Which of course should raise his value in any contract negotiations...He figures Dak and JJ will again not come to terms...Dak will be traded for a couple # 1 draft picks, and the likes of Andy Dalton will hold down the fort until a new rookie phenom QB get's acquainted with the Cowboys and NFL football!...

kskboys said:

#1. Put the non exclusive franchise tag on Dak. Someone offers two 1sts, you consider taking it.
2. Shut up. For Pete's sake. Don't talk to media at all, aside from maybe some general blather.
3. Talk to Dak privately, let him know you value what he is and what he brings to the table, and discuss w/ him what he'd like around him.
4. Let Dak play under the tag if he has unreasonable contract demands.
5. If Dak plays lights out at the team wins 12 games and makes the NFC champ game and he doesn't stink in that game, it's time to acquiesce to his demands. If not, you tag him again and go through it again.

Dak has not played at a level deserving of the contract he is demanding. If he continues and shows no improvement in the next 2 seasons, time to move on. Unfortunately. I like Dak and would rather he stay here, but giving him a huge contract if he continues to have mediocre results would hurt this franchise for years upon years.

Very touchy situation w/ no clear answer. And w/o being in on the meetings and not knowing what's been offered and said and all that jazz, there's really no way to really say what one would do.

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Well said brother.

ThemDangMartians said:

...Had the issue come up with a friend of mine the other day...He's a Cowboy fan, but not much of a Dak fan....He see's Dak as an average QB...certainly not elite, and not deserving of say Russell Wilson money...He says a Dak contract will be detrimental to the Salary Cap and thus to the team overall...His thoughts are ...Dak is Franchised now and hopes to have a good season in 2020...Which of course should raise his value in any contract negotiations...He figures Dak and JJ will again not come to terms...Dak will be traded for a couple # 1 draft picks, and the likes of Andy Dalton will hold down the fort until a new rookie phenom QB get's acquainted with the Cowboys and NFL football!...

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One thing I have to say for Dak, his confidence is off the charts. Hell I couldn't believe he didn't sign last off season when he was in jeopardy of not having the teams biggest weapon available. He's rolling the dice yet again. I dont imagine you dare unless you have supreme conviction in your abilities.

ThemDangMartians said:

...Had the issue come up with a friend of mine the other day...He's a Cowboy fan, but not much of a Dak fan....He see's Dak as an average QB...certainly not elite, and not deserving of say Russell Wilson money...He says a Dak contract will be detrimental to the Salary Cap and thus to the team overall...His thoughts are ...Dak is Franchised now and hopes to have a good season in 2020...Which of course should raise his value in any contract negotiations...He figures Dak and JJ will again not come to terms...Dak will be traded for a couple # 1 draft picks, and the likes of Andy Dalton will hold down the fort until a new rookie phenom QB get's acquainted with the Cowboys and NFL football!...

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Only a few quarterbacks are worth a couple of #1 draft picks in trade. Realistically, Dak will be gone unless him and Jerrah can come to terms. Cowboys are not in a good situation either way.

Mr chow

CowboysWillRise said:

Good analogy, but what if you needed that Camaro to take out the future Miss Flamma. You really liked the Camaro, but deep down you knew it wasnt a Vette. The only chance you have to land this woman is to come correct. So do you begrudgingly over pay for your Camaro or do you show up in your Ford Escort and hope she loves you anyways?

Lol I know its a horrible analogy, and Im sure Miss Flamma isnt a gold digger, but Daks best leverage is our opportunity to achieve greatness, and letting that slip away.

Tbh, I think you are probably right, and I feel much the same. It really depends on what he can do this season. Or even more so if he gets hurt we will see what a plug and play guy like Dalton can do. If Dalton is successful it will make Dak look very replaceable. Nonetheless, while it may not sound like it, Dak is still MY QB1.

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If I did that I would then have to ask her if she had any money for the date. She's not going to want hear about my salary cap either.

Flamma said:

If I did that I would then have to ask her if she had any money for the date. She's not going to want hear about my salary cap either.

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Date + Salary cap = Go Dutch

Gangsta Spanksta said:

Date + Salary cap = Go Dutch

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That's how not to get a second date. If I over pay for the Camaro, I have no cap space left for the date. What good now is the camaro?

fivetwos said:

I've been making this point all along.

Our best bet by far is with Prescott. It could take many, many years to find an upgrade, and this roster is nowhere near that bad where it needs to be fully rebuilt.

No, he isnt perfect, but yeah I'd love to hear the alternate plans for those who want him gone.

People say Dalton, which is laughable. He is a nice backup at this point. His best football is behind him and is wasnt exactly legendary.

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Agreed. You know, some of the same people who want Dalton instead of Dak are also the ones who say that we should get rid of Dak because he "can't elevate the team around him".

Well, if Dalton could do that, which he'd have to be if anyone thinks he's a better choice, why didn't he on the Bengals? Yeah I know "he didn't have the same caliber of team as Dak has had", but that's purely subjective, unless you can go back in time and put Dak on the Bengals/Dalton on the Cowboys, it's all supposition.

Dalton had A J Green, Tyler Elfert, and several Pro Bowl defensive players, but never won a playoff game...

Super_Kazuya said:

I'm saying that QB busts don't exist anymore because they don't exist anymore. Why don't you name all of these qb busts? This should be good for a laugh. Dak himself would be a "bust" if he was drafted by literally any other team.

There isn't any reason to expect a highly drafted QB to not be able to perform at Dak's level at the very least, provided you can surround them with good players. There isn't anything special about Dak, as he proved many times when his All-Pro cocoon sprung a few leaks.

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Well here's your list of every QB ever drafted. Let's take the last 15 years where 47 QBs were drafted in the 1st round. I got 18 clear busts, 7 mediocre guys that can start, 10 hits, and 12 players that we just don't know enough about yet. However, even if half of those 12 pan out which is above historical success you're still looking at 1/3 shot of finding a good alternative round 1.

For the record the mediocre guys I have in there include guys like Mariotta and Bridgewater which may be generous to this point.

The unsure list includes everyone from the last 3 draft classes and Mitch. Pretty sure Mitch is a bust, but guess we'll know for sure after this year.

The hits? Rodgers, Ryan, Stafford, Newton, Luck, Mahomes, Watson, along with Jackson, Goff, and even Wentz. Some of those may be debatable, but at the end of the day all are guys that have had career success and could potentially be 10 year productive starters.



https://www.pro-football-reference....s[]=QB&college_id=all&conference=any&show=all

There's a two fold problem here. One, unless I missed it, nobody, either here or elsewhere, thinks that Garrett was a "top" coach. At best he was considered a bit above average. So IF Garrett was a big part of the problem, seems only reasonable that we should see what Dak, and the Cowboys, can do with a different, apparently better, head coach and assistant coaches. (Special teams coach especially, other than McCarthy) Makes little sense to dump what COULD be a SB winning quarterback.

Two, the Covid situation has hamstrung the Cowboys, what with Witten, et al gone, will be very little time for Lamb, etc. to get acclimated to the team and the NFL game. So even if Dak is "the next Patrick Mahomes" (just using Mahomes for an example), it may not be possible to even find that out.

To me Dak is in a somewhat similar position as Garrett was. Garrett had about 10 years to "get 'er done", and after that time, if for no other reason than that lack of success, he had to go.

Dak has had 4 years. He's done pretty well, but again he hasn't been able to "get 'er done". Can't wait for 10 years on Dak to get to the level he needs to be. I'd say he has this year, and depending on how he does, next year. If we don't see at least an NFC championship game appearance, assuming the team doesn't lose a lot more starters to the Covid than other teams, then he's got to go.

But you gotta give him a shot or two, imho...

kskboys said:

I'm torn. The one thing lacking from Dak's game is consistency. If he can find that, he's worth a ton.

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It’s a all or nothing year for Dak. He obviously thinks he is a top rated quarterback. I think with the Garrett shackles of conservative off, Dak will be able to show off. MM offense approach will be different from Garrett. We should be in for a treat. He better be more consistent or he will not get the contract he wants.

erod said:

No, why would he?

Dak doesn't deserve what they offered him.

Now, he can go prove it, which I don't think he will. Probably plays somewhere else next year for far less than what Jerry offered.

But we'll see. Dallas is sitting nice in this.

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Fair enough, but I thought you said the Cowboys offered Dak more than Wilson.

erod said:

Jerry offered more than Russell Wilson. He isn't worth that.

How is that dragging his feet?

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JJHLH1 said:

That’s less than Russell Wilson.

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Yes, and what is your point?