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DenCWBY · Aug 4, 2020

Williamsboys said:
From those great coaches to Jason Garrett?? I guess some folks dislike being puppets.

CowboyRoy · Aug 4, 2020

joseephuss said:
Brees wasn't really considered an elite passer until he teamed with Payton in New Orleans. Brees played for 5 seasons in San Diego where he averaged around 210 yards per game. He was a good passer at that time, but he wasn't considered elite, yet. Brees and Payton make a great duo. They have maxed out their potential working together.

Brees and Tomlinson. One top two picks in NFL history. Too bad the Chargers made the wrong choice.

Brees is a great example of how most QB's need time to develop and the team, scheme, and coaching around them is very important.

The small band of QB challenged gurus on here would have been calling for Brees to be cut after the first year.

Chocolate Lab · Aug 4, 2020

Twisted Dawg said:
I recall watching an episode of Hard Knocks where the coaches were all in a meeting room discussing a topic and Joe Avezzano made some intentional biting gig at the defense in what appeared to be an attempt to gain favor with Jerry. Zimmer then tore into Avezzano and at that point I became a huge Zimmer fan.

Yep. There was an old SI article about the 2002 draft where they're debating all the prospects and Jim Garrett is sort of ruling the room and ranting about how great a corner Philip Buchanon is going to be -- he turned out to be spare, BTW - that "If you don't think he's going to be great you don't know football!" And Zimmer, who wasn't a fan, comes back with, "Oh yeah, well I think I know football."

That was the great thing about Zimmer,. He was a true tough guy, had the Parcells endorsement, but Jerry knew and trusted him. If Zim had been here, he'd have kept Jerry happy while still standing up to him. He'd have disproved the idea that anyone who worked for Jerry had to be a milquetoast mealy-mouthed politician like Garrett was.

CouchCoach · Aug 4, 2020

When I think of Parcells' coaching tree, three things come to mind. One, how his record looked without his former DC, two, how rigid he was on no other coaches granting interviews and three, that image of him running down the sideline to physically push Todd Haley back, a classless thing to do but class and Parcells weren't synonymous to me and I consider him overrated.

I liked his press conferences in Dallas a lot better than his coaching. This is a guy that went to SEA facing two, literally, off the street S's, one of them his former player Pete Hunter, and failed to exploit that. He coached like a chicken and his piss poor coaching that night was overshadowed by the botched snap. The other thing that I got really tired of with him was his Mike Holmgren love, hell, I thought they were going to pick out drapes.

Parcells is the most overrated HC the Cowboys ever had and if you are what you record says you are, he's a .500 HC. However, he did have the prettiest breasts of any HC the Cowboys have had. Wade didn't show his off as much.

And what does it say when another HC rolls in and takes your 9-7 team to the best record in the NFC?

Cowboyny · Aug 4, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Wanting to sign Delhomme wasn't enough. Parcells lost the moment he settled on Carter. Then of course he screwed up another two times with Vinney and Bledslow.

As I said, it was more of a favor to Jerry to see if he could develop him into a legitimate, starting QB. Parcells went back to veterans he trusted.

CouchCoach · Aug 4, 2020

Chocolate Lab said:
Yep. There was an old SI article about the 2002 draft where they're debating all the prospects and Jim Garrett is sort of ruling the room and ranting about how great a corner Philip Buchanon is going to be -- he turned out to be spare, BTW - that "If you don't think he's going to be great you don't know football!" And Zimmer, who wasn't a fan, comes back with, "Oh yeah, well I think I know football."

That was the great thing about Zimmer,. He was a true tough guy, had the Parcells endorsement, but Jerry knew and trusted him. If Zim had been here, he'd have kept Jerry happy while still standing up to him. He'd have disproved the idea that anyone who worked for Jerry had to be a milquetoast mealy-mouthed politician like Garrett was.

Zimmer was one of the few not associated with Johnson and his disrespect of Booger. I think he interviewed Turner just so he could turn him down. I also think Dallas' dominance over Turner's Skins was especially pleasing to him.

However, Zim being a D coach, I don't know how he would have gotten along with Booger's follow the ball ain't offense fun approach.

MikeB80 · Aug 4, 2020

CouchCoach said:
When I think of Parcells' coaching tree, three things come to mind. One, how his record looked without his former DC, two, how rigid he was on no other coaches granting interviews and three, that image of him running down the sideline to physically push Todd Haley back, a classless thing to do but class and Parcells weren't synonymous to me and I consider him overrated.

I liked his press conferences in Dallas a lot better than his coaching. This is a guy that went to SEA facing two, literally, off the street S's, one of them his former player Pete Hunter, and failed to exploit that. He coached like a chicken and his piss poor coaching that night was overshadowed by the botched snap. The other thing that I got really tired of with him was his Mike Holmgren love, hell, I thought they were going to pick out drapes.

Parcells is the most overrated HC the Cowboys ever had and if you are what you record says you are, he's a .500 HC. However, he did have the prettiest breasts of any HC the Cowboys have had. Wade didn't show his off as much.

And what does it say when another HC rolls in and takes your 9-7 team to the best record in the NFC?

here is another guy who doesn't like Parcells so he starts telling fake stories with the confidence of a man who thinks he is telling the truth.

A. Parcells never ran down a sideline and physically pushed Todd Haley. This is 100% false and you recall it as a an "Image you can not forget" Parcells was in the middle of talking to an official during a game in seattle and Haley was standing over his shoulder screaming at the official Parcells was trying to talk to...he asked him to stop and then shoved him back. Nice try though.

B. He had that rule which many other coaches had about not letting assistants talk because one of the main jobs in being a head coach in the NFL is limiting distractions and having one message and staying on it. You as a Dallas fan should no better than anyone how valuable this philosophy is since Dallas is the polar opposite since Jimmy Johnson left. So many other coaches adopted this that the league mandated Coordinators have to talk on thursday.

C. His record without Belichick is just fine. He made the playoffs in Dallas and New England without Belichick. Parcells taught Belichick to be a linebackers coach when he was In NY when Bill was the St. assistant and assistant lb coach. The two of them were always great together. A great deal of Belichick's philosophy comes from Parcells.

D. In regards to the 06 wild card game at Seattle. Yes they signed Pete Hunter to play safety during the week and on paper there seems to be a weakness. It's not neccessarily true however because if you go look at how Seattle Played defense vs Parcells Cowboys in 04 and 05 prior to that game you will see that they played zone dropping 6 or 7 all the time. The weakness was in their run defense and Dallas took advantage of that in all three games. Unfortunately they lost the game in 05 at seattle thanks to a bad snap and missed field goal ironically and a late bledsoe interception that set up a field goal at the end of regulation for Seattle. Then of course the overturned first down for witten and the dropped snap by romo in the 06 wild card game.

Also, that wild card game was a super risky game to throw the ball. Seattle was very good up front and Dallas was struggling a bit in protection towards the end of the year. Many did not know that Columbo was playing through a serious knee injury that should have put him on IR and Rivera hurt his back in the game. Taking a young qb on the road for his first playoff start vs the defending nfc champions in the loudest stadium in the league is a tough ask to throw it 45 times and win that way. Especially when the Dallas defense fell apart in december and was giving up big plays and busted coverages all over the place. Getting in a shootout in that situation was an incredibly risky decision. Had the game been played in Irving I believe they would have thrown it more but in that environment with shaky protection, a young qb and a defense that had lost its mojo was extremely risky.

Just go watch the two previous games at seattle in 04 and 05. They are the same, seattle played the pass all the way.

Also the terry glenn fumbled on their own 1 yard line which resulted in a safety and then a score was a huge momentum swing. If Glenn held onto the ball while juking there he would have run forever....just another moment in a long line of them over the past 20 years in the postseason that went against the team.

anyway the long and short of it is Parcells Rebuilt 4 terrible...I mean Terrible franchises. The early 90's patriots were just beyond awful and their facilities were falling apart plus they had no owner who was trying to win. They went to the superbowl in 96. Pretty damn amazing. The jets were 1-15 and parcells led them to The afc championship game in 98 where they lost to one of the leagues greatest teams ever in Denver. Parcells took over a cowboys organization that was a train wreck pretty closely on the level to the patriots. Three straight 5-11's, no offense to speak of and with a few moves, changing how they draft and scout he rebuilt the organization. Your comment about wade taking his 9-7 team and going 13-3 is laughable.

anyway I look forward to your response about how Parcells sucks.

MikeB80 · Aug 4, 2020

Idgit said:
Garrett’s a good coach. Butthurt Cowboy fans who don’t know what they’re watching didn’t change that. The fact that we’re starting the process from scratch won’t change it either. But by mid season our fans will be in the exact same place with the new staff. It’s inevitable. Wait and see.

I’m kind of surprised I have to even say it, to tell you the truth. Next step is they turn on Dak because of what he gets paid. After that, they turn on the HC and pretend they knew it all along.

Kellen Moore is going to be Mike McCarthy's Brian Stewart.

Wade brought him here with him from san diego to continue teaching him and to have an ally on the staff who was tied to him. It took one season and the locals and national fans made Brian Stewart the devil! He had to go, so he went. Then Bruce Read had to go so he went. Then wade went.

maybe the Kellen Moore comparison is wrong it's probably Joe Philbin or Rob Davis. Either way they will be the guys to go. If the offense is struggling early in the year....it will be hey why is the line struggling...must be joe philbin. Fire that guy.....and why did we let columbo go anyway? lol.

MikeB80 · Aug 4, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
You just confirmed EXACTLY what I said. LOL

Payton was the OC and Parcells wouldn't even give him the respect to call him one.

Oh so Payton copied Parcells coaching? LOL

A number of similarities? Poor run game, poor defense, and a big passing attack? Oh yah, sure buddy. You mean a few small similarities but that's it?

Talk about ignorant?

You sound like a Parcells cry baby that has to jump all over the place to make a few hollow points.

Coaching style? First thing he did was go out and get a REAL QB. When did Parcells have an elite passer like Brees?

Any more dumb comments Mr ignorant?

Uhh Parcells had Simms and Bledsoe. Bledsoe threw the ball as well as anyone who has ever played in the nfl in fact when Bledsoe was young in the mid 90's I am not sure there has ever been a guy who threw a prettier football. He was basically the mold of an nfl qb.

On parcells not giving payton the coordinator name. There were a couple of reasons for that. The first was that Parcells had divided up the roles over the few years he was there and after firing carthon didn't really have an offensive coordinator.

More importantly back then you could not hire a guy for an equal job, so say Payton was the coordinator in 04 he would have to be named to a higher position on another team. After talking payton out of taking the raiders head coaching job in 05 (This clearly negates your he wanted to get out as soon as he could theory) He named Payton the assistant head coach and let him call plays. this basically guaranteed Payton Head Coaching offers/interviews after the 05 season. It was done in Payton's favor to help his career.

The season ended and a great job came along and Payton took the job in New Orleans. He brought Gary Gibbs with him to be his defensive coordinator. Gary Gibbs is the guy Parcells told Jerry to hire as head coach when he left. Payton copied his first training camp after what he learned from Parcells and how he did it.

CouchCoach · Aug 4, 2020

MikeB80 said:
here is another guy who doesn't like Parcells so he starts telling fake stories with the confidence of a man who thinks he is telling the truth.

A. Parcells never ran down a sideline and physically pushed Todd Haley. This is 100% false and you recall it as a an "Image you can not forget" Parcells was in the middle of talking to an official during a game in seattle and Haley was standing over his shoulder screaming at the official Parcells was trying to talk to...he asked him to stop and then shoved him back. Nice try though.

B. He had that rule which many other coaches had about not letting assistants talk because one of the main jobs in being a head coach in the NFL is limiting distractions and having one message and staying on it. You as a Dallas fan should no better than anyone how valuable this philosophy is since Dallas is the polar opposite since Jimmy Johnson left. So many other coaches adopted this that the league mandated Coordinators have to talk on thursday.

C. His record without Belichick is just fine. He made the playoffs in Dallas and New England without Belichick. Parcells taught Belichick to be a linebackers coach when he was In NY when Bill was the St. assistant and assistant lb coach. The two of them were always great together. A great deal of Belichick's philosophy comes from Parcells.

D. In regards to the 06 wild card game at Seattle. Yes they signed Pete Hunter to play safety during the week and on paper there seems to be a weakness. It's not neccessarily true however because if you go look at how Seattle Played defense vs Parcells Cowboys in 04 and 05 prior to that game you will see that they played zone dropping 6 or 7 all the time. The weakness was in their run defense and Dallas took advantage of that in all three games. Unfortunately they lost the game in 05 at seattle thanks to a bad snap and missed field goal ironically and a late bledsoe interception that set up a field goal at the end of regulation for Seattle. Then of course the overturned first down for witten and the dropped snap by romo in the 06 wild card game.

Also, that wild card game was a super risky game to throw the ball. Seattle was very good up front and Dallas was struggling a bit in protection towards the end of the year. Many did not know that Columbo was playing through a serious knee injury that should have put him on IR and Rivera hurt his back in the game. Taking a young qb on the road for his first playoff start vs the defending nfc champions in the loudest stadium in the league is a tough ask to throw it 45 times and win that way. Especially when the Dallas defense fell apart in december and was giving up big plays and busted coverages all over the place. Getting in a shootout in that situation was an incredibly risky decision. Had the game been played in Irving I believe they would have thrown it more but in that environment with shaky protection, a young qb and a defense that had lost its mojo was extremely risky.

Just go watch the two previous games at seattle in 04 and 05. They are the same, seattle played the pass all the way.

Also the terry glenn fumbled on their own 1 yard line which resulted in a safety and then a score was a huge momentum swing. If Glenn held onto the ball while juking there he would have run forever....just another moment in a long line of them over the past 20 years in the postseason that went against the team.

anyway the long and short of it is Parcells Rebuilt 4 terrible...I mean Terrible franchises. The early 90's patriots were just beyond awful and their facilities were falling apart plus they had no owner who was trying to win. They went to the superbowl in 96. Pretty damn amazing. The jets were 1-15 and parcells led them to The afc championship game in 98 where they lost to one of the leagues greatest teams ever in Denver. Parcells took over a cowboys organization that was a train wreck pretty closely on the level to the patriots. Three straight 5-11's, no offense to speak of and with a few moves, changing how they draft and scout he rebuilt the organization. Your comment about wade taking his 9-7 team and going 13-3 is laughable.

anyway I look forward to your response about how Parcells sucks.

Never said he sucks, he's overrated. He was a good HC but I do not put him up there with the ones I consider the best. He was my favorite of all time doing pc's with the local media.

I am a little confused, so you are saying he didn't shove Haley but he shoved Haley?

We'll just disagree about SEA, he chicken coached there and I don't see many HC's doing that considering what they'd been forced to do in that secondary and with one of his former players.

You're a Parcells fan, I am not. but I don't dislike him. I am also a Cowboys fan and only care about what he didn't do here. He did get Booger his Big Top but that's about it.

Laughable or not, the guy that said "you are what your record says you are" has his 9-7 team taken to 13-3 the very next season.

fivetwos · Aug 4, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
I think we should never forget the Garrett era. If we do, then we will be doomed to make the same mistakes.

I know there are a handful of Garrett apologists that I will NEVER let forget about the Garrett era.

There was nothing about WE that made them.

One egomaniac who thinks he knows what he is doing when it comes to football.

fivetwos · Aug 4, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Never said he sucks, he's overrated. He was a good HC but I do not put him up there with the ones I consider the best. He was my favorite of all time doing pc's with the local media.

I am a little confused, so you are saying he didn't shove Haley but he shoved Haley?

We'll just disagree about SEA, he chicken coached there and I don't see many HC's doing that considering what they'd been forced to do in that secondary and with one of his former players.

You're a Parcells fan, I am not. but I don't dislike him. I am also a Cowboys fan and only care about what he didn't do here. He did get Booger his Big Top but that's about it.

Laughable or not, the guy that said "you are what your record says you are" has his 9-7 team taken to 13-3 the very next season.

He got the roster headed in the right direction (except for the atrocious OL decisions), as well as the franchise.

We saw what happened when Jerry stepped aside for a few years and it nearly killed him.

Then he ran Parcells out of town with TO and pulled his "I'll take it from here" act.

I truly despise that man if he hasnt learned by this time, my patience is real thin.

joseephuss · Aug 4, 2020

fivetwos said:
He got the roster headed in the right direction (except for the atrocious OL decisions), as well as the franchise.

We saw what happened when Jerry stepped aside for a few years and it nearly killed him.

Then he ran Parcells out of town with TO and pulled his "I'll take it from here" act.

I truly despise that man if he hasnt learned by this time, my patience is real thin.

I don't think Jerry ran Parcells out of town. Parcells never stayed at one spot very long as a head coach. His longest tenure was with the Giants where he coached for 8 seasons. That is really not that long of a time span and it was also while he was in his 40s. The odds of a mid-60s Parcells staying more than 4 years in Dallas were always pretty low. He only lasted 4 years with the Patriots and only 3 with the Jets. It didn't surprise me that he was done after 4 years and I was a little surprised he even lasted that long with Dallas. It isn't as if he went on to take another HC job after Dallas. He didn't even take on a GM role after leaving the Cowboys.

GMO415 · Aug 4, 2020

If we only had Sean Payton.....

Cowboyny · Aug 4, 2020

GMO415 said:
If we only had Sean Payton.....

I don't understand the love fest with Sean Payton, he has had a hall of fame QB, with a loaded roster and just has 1 Super Bowl to show for it. His team's have underachieved in the playoffs year after year.

fivetwos · Aug 4, 2020

joseephuss said:
I don't think Jerry ran Parcells out of town. Parcells never stayed at one spot very long as a head coach. His longest tenure was with the Giants where he coached for 8 seasons. That is really not that long of a time span and it was also while he was in his 40s. The odds of a mid-60s Parcells staying more than 4 years in Dallas were always pretty low. He only lasted 4 years with the Patriots and only 3 with the Jets. It didn't surprise me that he was done after 4 years and I was a little surprised he even lasted that long with Dallas. It isn't as if he went on to take another HC job after Dallas. He didn't even take on a GM role after leaving the Cowboys.

Nah not at all.

Overruled him on TO, then talked about "having fun again."

He never got that fun, unless being the first team to choke a one seed counts, or maybe getting to hire his pure hand picked next Tom Landry that would let him essentially be a part of the coaching staff.

That didn't happen either.

He deserves the mess he has to lay in. Problem is we all have to be along for the ride, and the franchise keeps growing in value.

Still...if he ever thinks the world will ever see him as a "football guy," he can forget it. That's over.

Theres two types of NFL fans. Those who were Cowboys fans before he was around and cant change blood, and those who love seeing the futility.

But....he is gonna prove them wrong, ain't ya Jerry?

fivetwos · Aug 4, 2020

Cowboyny said:
I don't understand the love fest with Sean Payton, he has had a hall of fame QB, with a loaded roster and just has 1 Super Bowl to show for it. His team's have underachieved in the playoffs year after year.

The love fest can be at least partially explained by our egomaniac owner insisting he knows football has led us to where the bar for success is so low that we would accept contending every year as opposed to championships.

The kid gets up there talking about championships when they have only played competitive football in the game that GETS you to the game that DECIDES who is playing in the Super Bowl only twice since Jerry decided he could do exactly what Jimmy Johnson did.

But remember, according to Jerry, that's an advantage. He actually smacked us all in the face and said that publicly.

CouchCoach · Aug 4, 2020

joseephuss said:
I don't think Jerry ran Parcells out of town. Parcells never stayed at one spot very long as a head coach. His longest tenure was with the Giants where he coached for 8 seasons. That is really not that long of a time span and it was also while he was in his 40s. The odds of a mid-60s Parcells staying more than 4 years in Dallas were always pretty low. He only lasted 4 years with the Patriots and only 3 with the Jets. It didn't surprise me that he was done after 4 years and I was a little surprised he even lasted that long with Dallas. It isn't as if he went on to take another HC job after Dallas. He didn't even take on a GM role after leaving the Cowboys.

I think he knew exactly what he was getting into and for how long when he came to Dallas. I think he genuinely liked Booger and stayed that extra year for another 1M.

I think he knew the players has passed him by and he was no longer the dog but the tail with all of the money going to players. He was visibly frustrated by his inability to stop the lineman from pre snap penalties, the ones that make coaches crazy.

There is one Parcells story I would like to know the facts behind. The rumor is he was not planning on taking Ware at 11 and wanted Spears and had actually told Merriman that he was drafting him, that much I've seen verified. The rumor is Booger interceded and said they'd take Ware at 11. Parcells was supposed to have 100% control over coaches, players and scouts but we know that wasn't totally correct or Owens wouldn't have made his way onto the team.

One thing about Parcells, he always thought he was the smartest guy in the room and that included his own scouts as he fashioned himself as a great picker of players in the later rounds. He also got some luck when he was going to take Shawn Andrews in the 1st and PHL jumped him, the guy was a banged up bust. He wasted a 2nd on Jacob Rogers and a 3rd on Peterman and wouldn't wait for Peterman to heal properly, he ended up being an ok OG.

He liked to say if he's doing the cooking, he wants to buy the groceries but it was George Young that built those Giants teams, not Parcells. The irony of that is he set up the Jets with Belichick and he crossed him and went with NE because of.......control. He underestimated Belichick's scars from CLE with another picking his groceries.

BHendri5 · Aug 4, 2020

Both coordinators back then really didn’t get to do their job. Definitely Peyton the OC, Parcells let him help make the weekly game plan . But on game day Parcells called the majority of the plays. Did you know that Peyton was fired demoted by Fassels in New York.

CowboyRoy · Aug 4, 2020

Cowboyny said:
As I said, it was more of a favor to Jerry to see if he could develop him into a legitimate, starting QB. Parcells went back to veterans he trusted.

Personally I thought Parcells was a joke of a coach when he was here. One of the worst times as a fan for me. Absolutely no hope whatsoever of winning anything with a loser like QC at QB.

Now there was a legitimate time to complain about a QB and his passing abilities. The guy had none.

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