BtB: Add this player to the defense, Everson Griffen

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I understand that seeing is believing, but it's pretty hard to believe highly regarded players like McCoy and Poe aren't going to be significantly better than Collins and Woods.

They should be but they were both really bad last season.
 

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Crawford a better fit where? At RDE?

he's a better fit for what they want, he's a versatile player which is what they seem to like about him. he's not great , but hes good enough to play all along the Dline, hes also according to DLaw, a help to him doing the dirty work that allows him to get to the qb.
 

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I would agree if talking about a guy counted on to be a long term solution, but if they can get him on a one year contract what would it hurt?

for me I'm tired of seeing them sign guys 1 year and the next they end up leaving. I'm tired of the thrift store free agents
 

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They should be but they were both really bad last season.
Were they, or were they just part of an overall defense that had shortcomings. In only 10 starts due to injury Poe had the most sacks he has had since 2014, and his tackles would likely have been fairly consistent with his history had he played 16 games, and McCoy was only one sack down from the year before and his tackles were in the same range as they have been.
 
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On a one year deal I see the logic
The issue is really the future cap and the benefit of carrying over every Penney you can to impact that to me

yet they keep worrying about the future cap yet they never do anything with the future cap to get better.
 

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he's a better fit for what they want, he's a versatile player which is what they seem to like about him. he's not great , but hes good enough to play all along the Dline, hes also according to DLaw, a help to him doing the dirty work that allows him to get to the qb.

He's a better fit as a flex player, moving inside and out, mostly at DT playing DE in a pinch. I don't think many would quibble with that. I don't really have an issue with Crawford on this roster in that role (well, he should be taking a pay cut or a restructure because his cap hit is ridiculous).

The point is that there has been some chatter he's the starting RDE, especially if Smith and Gregory aren't ready.

He's not a starting RDE. And if they try to make him that, it's another in a long line of silly decisions they have made along the DL.
 

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He's a better fit as a flex player, moving inside and out, mostly at DT playing DE in a pinch. I don't think many would quibble with that.

The point, that I think keeps going over your head, is that there has been some chatter he's the starting RDE, especially if Smith and Gregory aren't ready.

He's not a starting RDE.
He's a better fit as a flex player, moving inside and out, mostly at DT playing DE in a pinch. I don't think many would quibble with that. I don't really have an issue with Crawford on this roster in that role (well, he should be taking a pay cut or a restructure because his cap hit is ridiculous).

The point is that there has been some chatter he's the starting RDE, especially if Smith and Gregory aren't ready.

He's not a starting RDE. And if they try to make him that, it's another in a long line of silly decisions they have made along the DL.


you're talking about this? but even if he start it's not like he's the only one to play the position, they're planning a rotation, and he's good enough to play there on early downs.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...-crawford-2020-player-profile-defensive-line/
 

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for me I'm tired of seeing them sign guys 1 year and the next they end up leaving. I'm tired of the thrift store free agents
This is a guy that has consistently been a Pro Bowler, so I wouldn't call him thrift store, but at the end of the day, there likely isn't going to be a long term solution found this year - no new draft pick, and no young stud that we will be signing, so why not a short term solution? All teams do this, and it's a necessary part of putting a quality team on the field because no team can commit to a long term, big dollar contract to a sure fire solution at every position. The salary cap and the limit on those kinds of players prohibit it.
 

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This is a guy that has consistently been a Pro Bowler, so I wouldn't call him thrift store, but at the end of the day, there likely isn't going to be a long term solution found this year - no new draft pick, and no young stud that we will be signing, so why not a short term solution? All teams do this, and it's a necessary part of putting a quality team on the field because no team can commit to a long term, big dollar contract to a sure fire solution at every position. The salary cap and the limit on those kinds of players prohibit it.

been, but what player would we be getting. again we already have 2 starters that are long in the tooth that we're relying on do we need a third.
 

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Were they, or were they just part of an overall defense that had shortcomings. In only 10 starts due to injury Poe had the most sacks he has had since 2014, and his tackles would likely have been fairly consistent with his history had he played 16 games, and McCoy was only one sack down from the year before and his tackles were in the same range as they have been.

Just them being part of the worst run defense in the nfl last year is worrisome to me.
 

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been, but what player would we be getting. again we already have 2 starters that are long in the tooth that we're relying on do we need a third.
Yes "been", including last year. Can't get more recent than that, and if history is a factor Griffen's history provides more assurance than the history of a player that hasn't played a single NFL snap in several years.
 
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Just them being part of the worst run defense in the nfl last year is worrisome to me.
I understand that, but that's on the DTs, DE's, LBs and safeties, along with the scheme. It's hard to know how much blame to put on each area, so I get your concern that the DT's played their fair share with that. I just feel it's unlikely that DTs of this caliber just fell off the cliff this one season.
 

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for me I'm tired of seeing them sign guys 1 year and the next they end up leaving. I'm tired of the thrift store free agents
you shouldn't be tired of it, it's actually a underrated aspect on how deep playoff teams are constructed

You have no long-term cap implications, you get immediate improvement in performance, and you actually give your young players time to develop and slowly rotate versus throwing them straight into the gauntlet and then coming onto this form every week complaining "why is this JAG starting"
 

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Please no more unreliable or unavailable players on defense. Please stop the dope heads, crazy heads, bad neck, one legged, and other "get em cheap" risk no reward players that have cost the Cowboys playoff seasons since Parcells 2005 defense draft left Dallas.
 

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yet they keep worrying about the future cap yet they never do anything with the future cap to get better.
The next couple years could be very ugly related to the cap and not looking at the ramifications by every team would be incompetence
 

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That is a very good point. And more reason for me wanting Crawford gone. They wasted nearly $10 million of cap space on him in 2019. For a net result of four mediocre games and 1 sack. Even the biggest excuse-maker can't spin it to where that's a good return on investment.

And they currently sit ready to pay him another $8 million in salary this year. Absolutely ridiculous.

But if the team is worried about cap space, the least they could do is to cut Crawford and roll that $8 million over for next year.
It would surprise me if Crawford isn’t a camp cut once they get to see if we have enough players who can play on the Dline
A guy like hill, if he got motivated could make it much easier
 

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When Griffen goes out and has a good 2020 season, I suspect you'll forget your rantings here. Typical of Cowboys fans that defend whatever the Cowboys do in FA, even when it doesn't work out.



That's when or if he is signed and then I'll remind you when he doesn't have a great season. For me it's not that the Cowboys have past on him but 31 of 32 teams have. You can make up all the excuses you want but for a player to be sitting for FIVE MONTHS now and have a single team contact him doesn't say very much about what the league thinks of him.
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It doesn’t matter how much influence he has. The bad influence is gone.




So you really don't have anything except who you perceive as having all that influence is here anymore so that's that. Ya you really convinced me on that one.
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