Vikings Game

CowboyRoy said:

So you are disputing word easy?

but they scored correct? You don’t dispute that?

Click to expand...

Yes. The characterization of this defense being horrible is far from the truth.

Could they have been better? Absolutely, no question.

I have said this before. The Minnesota game was the only game all year where there wasn't any fault to the loss. Dallas had a chance at the end, didn't execute, and Minnesota won. Tip your hat and get you next time.

This dissection of every play is ridiculous. The other team is getting paid also. Sometimes you just lose.

CowboyRoy said:

Lol.....and what did you just do?

cowboys offense was #1 in the nfl not 10th.

yet it’s not convenient so you say something stupid like.......they were inconsistent.

so they were inconsistently #1?

troll logic......gotta laugh at it.

Click to expand...

I never troll.

The offense in wins averaged 37 points and 17 points in losses. That's a 20 point swing, 3 TDs. That was the largest swing in the NFL. That would make Dallas the most inconsistent offense, #1 in being inconsistent. Absolutely logical.

robjay04 said:

Out of boredom, I decided to watch highlights of this game tonight for first time since I slammed the remote down in a drunken stupor in what feels like years ago. I haven’t been able to bring myself to look at highlights even though the game produced some of the best ones from the season. What a missed opportunity. What a heart breaker. What a low point to be a fan of this team.

Everything was set up perfectly. Dak has arguably his best game as a pro IMO and we drove down the field to win the game. Despite poor play calling and falling behind early, we had the game in our grasp. We all know the outcome and would’ve been a season defining victory has instead became a season defining defeat.

Games like that, the Jets, Saints and of course, the Eagles made 2019 the most miserable season I remember. There is no way that team, especially offensively, should’ve been 8-8.

Thank god this team got the change we deserved. A 57 yard field goal on an opening drive!?
The punt return!?
The final 3 plays?

How in the world could a veteran coaching staff make mistakes like that? All in one game?

It’s almost as laughable as this 9 month delayed rant.

Click to expand...

Dak had a RPO on one of those plays. And his throw to Zeke was an exact copy of a similar one he threw to Zeke in similar circumstances against the Bills, right at the ground. And Dak against the Vikings went straight to Zeke after the Vikings shifted a man to double Cooper.

And on the drive previously, Dallas threw TWO out of THREE times in the red zone from the Vikings FIVE and ended in a FG.

So this idea that they should have went with the hot hand in Dak isn’t even supported.

Yeah, it was his by far, his best game ever against a good defense, but if Romo choked against Denver, this was even a bigger choke.

From what I remember, a non-geriatric TE who the coaching staff aren’t afraid to feature for a bit would have won that game. Witten is one of my all time favorites, but I seem to recall saying to myself that I would be hitting Jarwin over the middle for 8 yards over and over and over until they change their defensive alignment. Maybe I’m not remembering correctly.

Hennessy_King said:

Thats a rod marinelli defense for you. What was worse was watching d law constantly coming out on 3rd down plays. Defense couldnt make a play to save a life all season

Click to expand...

i dunno how many cowboys fans took notice of that with marinelli's odd sub packages where he 'd have his top rushers on the sideline and many
times in red zone moments,..it's like he has an arranged time schedule and hes determined to stick to it no matter what,,amazing he plays right into what opposing teams would love for him to do..,,,,,

quickccc said:

i dunno how many cowboys fans took notice of that with marinelli's odd sub packages where he 'd have his top rushers on the sideline and many
times in red zone moments,..it's like he has an arranged time schedule and hes determined to stick to it no matter what,,amazing he plays right into what opposing teams would love for him to do..,,,,,

Click to expand...

That was our entire staff. Never could adjust to what was actually happening in the game. As the head coach for allowing it to happen is crazy. I would be ripping my defensive staff if my $100m defensive end was coming out on pivotal 3rd downs.

I'd love to know exactly what happened on that FC on the punt at the end.

Was Austin told to FC no matter what?

Garrett said it was his option, but if you're "reminded" by your HC just before the play, how did he take that?

It certainly looked like he could have scored, but holes close fast in the NFL. One would think he could have gotten 20 yards in a blink, at which point a FG would have been a better proposition than hail marys.

I wonder because it seemed that just after this, things really seemed to slip away, and I wonder if Garrett didnt offer up Austin to save his own self.

That's when things really seemed to unravel. Wonder if any coincidence.

Frustrating game either way, but Minn really shut down Dallas run game, and probably deserved to win.

robjay04 said:

Out of boredom, I decided to watch highlights of this game tonight for first time since I slammed the remote down in a drunken stupor in what feels like years ago. I haven’t been able to bring myself to look at highlights even though the game produced some of the best ones from the season. What a missed opportunity. What a heart breaker. What a low point to be a fan of this team.

Everything was set up perfectly. Dak has arguably his best game as a pro IMO and we drove down the field to win the game. Despite poor play calling and falling behind early, we had the game in our grasp. We all know the outcome and would’ve been a season defining victory has instead became a season defining defeat.

Games like that, the Jets, Saints and of course, the Eagles made 2019 the most miserable season I remember. There is no way that team, especially offensively, should’ve been 8-8.

Thank god this team got the change we deserved. A 57 yard field goal on an opening drive!?
The punt return!?
The final 3 plays?

How in the world could a veteran coaching staff make mistakes like that? All in one game?
So the Bears game didn't bother you??
It’s almost as laughable as this 9 month delayed rant.

Click to expand...

So the Bears game didn't bother you??

Nav22 said:

We had a damn good +113 point differential (3rd-best in the NFC, 6th-best in the NFL) despite finishing 8-8. How the hell does that happen?

Miserable season. Couldn’t win a single close game all year.

Click to expand...

typically beat down the easy punk teams, take the L in the rest

slick325 said:

That was the game that sealed the entire staff's fate with me. I wanted them all gone, including Kellen Moore.

Click to expand...

not just with you, pretty much the team also. Im pretty sure everyone checked out after this game.

Somehow though Kellen Moore is still here and is still the offensive coordinator.

InTheZone said:

typically beat down the easy punk teams, take the L in the rest

Click to expand...

Those L’s we took were mostly close nail-biters. That’s the point. We should’ve been much better than 8-8.

Nav22 said:

We had a damn good +113 point differential (3rd-best in the NFC, 6th-best in the NFL) despite finishing 8-8. How the hell does that happen?

Miserable season. Couldn’t win a single close game all year.

Click to expand...

That was rare.
Almost always, teams that do that are very good bets to improve their record, barring radical personnel loses.

They played the Vikings last year? I’m a drawing a blank. That season was an abortion. Just like this marriage.

Vanilla2 said:

They played the Vikings last year? I’m a drawing a blank. That season was an abortion. Just like this marriage.

Click to expand...

I just remember the obviously bad decision by a coach/coaches to FC that punt, that give up pass to Zeke on that 4th down and the terrible execution/recognition on the 3rd down stuff.

baltcowboy said:

If the Cowboys start 1-3 Dak is getting the blame. MM is one of the best coaches in the league, he will get a grace period. In the first 4 games Dak goes up against Goff, Ryan, Wilson, and Mayfield. Dak not only needs to win those games but he better outperform those guys.

Click to expand...

So....if Dak completes

Bobhaze said:

It’s funny how that works in the Dallas local media. The guys most responsible for the mess we’ve had the last 25 years, usually don’t get near the scrutiny they deserve. A few media folks- The Radio station The Ticket has some good critics. Dale Hanson, David Moore and Jean Jacques Taylor are also good critics. But there are not enough IMO.

I don’t know if that’s because they gave up years ago realizing nothing changes with the Jones cartel. Or if the media here just likes to suck up to the Jones cartel to get the free food and booze at the annual Jones media bash.

Click to expand...

Part of the reason is the same for his induction to the HOF. As long as you hang around Jerry Jones, there is always going to be a story. Jerry Jones makes money for the media because he is much like the team itself. If you don't love him then you hate him. NFL fans are rarely indifferent on the subject of Jerry Jones, which makes him a media goldmine.

baltcowboy said:

If the Cowboys start 1-3 Dak is getting the blame. MM is one of the best coaches in the league, he will get a grace period. In the first 4 games Dak goes up against Goff, Ryan, Wilson, and Mayfield. Dak not only needs to win those games but he better outperform those guys.

Click to expand...

In a game against Tennessee last season, Mahomes completed 72% of his passes for over 400 yards, 3 TD's and no INT's. The Chiefs lost that gamer
.
Against Arizona, last season. Matt Ryan completed over 83%% of his passes for over 350 yards and 4 TD's with no INT's. The Falcons lost that game.

Drew Brees against the 49ers, 72^ completion, 34r9 yards, 5 TD's, no INT's. Saints lose.

Based on your statement, these quarterbacks lost the game for their teams. If it wasn't for their shoddy, incompetent play, these teams would have had a "W".

I'm sensing a slight flaw in your logic. Let me guess....If the Cowboys go 4-0 to start the season then it is a tribute to their excellent coaching?

McCarthy is one of the best HC in the league? The last I heard of his coaching in the NFL.....


“The 2018 season has not lived up to the expectations and standards of the Green Bay Packers. As a result, I made the difficult decision to relieve Mike McCarthy of his role as head coach, effective immediately"

.....With four games still left to play in the 2018 season.

They got it twisted. right? The should have cut Aaron Rodgers, right?

visionary said:

Just stop it already
You were a top blind Garrett apologist despite 10 years of proven garbage and McCarthy only gets 4 games?

Click to expand...

"Blind apologist" - I felt he was doing the job to the best it could be done under very difficult circumstances. The actions of Jerry Jones undermined his authority with the team. He was never able to fully implement his plan because there was never any continuity in gther decision making. I beleive that if he had been given more autonomy, the Cowboys would have been more successful. Jason Garrett did not select all of his assistant coaches, a given among the the HC's of other teams.

However I wasn't blind. I have long been a critic of his offensive style. From the times he was the OC, I mentioned his hesitancy to rely on the running game in certain situations. I felt the playcalling was unbalanced to the extreme. Garrett had his strengths and he had his weaknesses. In the end he couldn't get it done. I've never said that he shouldn't have been fired, only that it was unfortunate it ended this way.

So many poster on this board are extremists in their opinions, no in between. A player or coach is either elite or they are garbage. That is entirely unrealistic and unfair.

"10 years of proven garbage". Calling those seasons garbage is an opinion, especially since you made no attempt to qualify the statement with anything factual.. Calling them "proven garbage" is a classic example of contradiction. Opinions cannot be proven.

Of the 32 present HC's in the NFL, Jason's 56% winning percentage would be ranked 14th. Therefore, according to you, 18 HC's currently in the NFL are "proven garbage".

Don't misunderstand my intentions here, I'm not saying his firing was a mistake, I'm saying your description of his time here is negatively exaggerated, he was at least above average. Of course, as we all agree, that was never good enough. Also, I'm not implying that McCarthy would be fired after 4 games, I'm saying that, barring a miracle, McCarthy would not be returning to the Cowboys in 2021.

plasticman said:

In a game against Tennessee last season, Mahomes completed 72% of his passes for over 400 yards, 3 TD's and no INT's. The Chiefs lost that gamer
.
Against Arizona, last season. Matt Ryan completed over 83%% of his passes for over 350 yards and 4 TD's with no INT's. The Falcons lost that game.

Drew Brees against the 49ers, 72^ completion, 34r9 yards, 5 TD's, no INT's. Saints lose.

Based on your statement, these quarterbacks lost the game for their teams. If it wasn't for their shoddy, incompetent play, these teams would have had a "W".

I'm sensing a slight flaw in your logic. Let me guess....If the Cowboys go 4-0 to start the season then it is a tribute to their excellent coaching?

McCarthy is one of the best HC in the league? The last I heard of his coaching in the NFL.....


“The 2018 season has not lived up to the expectations and standards of the Green Bay Packers. As a result, I made the difficult decision to relieve Mike McCarthy of his role as head coach, effective immediately"

.....With four games still left to play in the 2018 season.

They got it twisted. right? The should have cut Aaron Rodgers, right?

Click to expand...

MM is one of the best coaches in the league his record certainly proved that. I know one thing when he came down to Dallas and whipped our butts he out coached Garrett every single time. He beat us with a scrub backup and they spotted us a twenty point lead. He wore out his welcome in Green Bay. He coached Bret Farve for crying out loud. Yes, the Packers will be moving on from Rodgers very soon.

The reality there is a split opinion on Dak and since he makes 30 million he will get the blame win or lose. Dak has a chance to prove the doubters wrong. He will in my opinion.

MikeB80 said:

not just with you, pretty much the team also. Im pretty sure everyone checked out after this game.

Somehow though Kellen Moore is still here and is still the offensive coordinator.

Click to expand...

Yeah man that's Jerry's next hand picked puppet and he thinks no one notices.

Ridiculous.

phildadon86 said:

I’ll do you one better. Should have never been hired.

Click to expand...

true...I’m serious when I say Mike would win us 2-4 more games per season because every year there are about that many close games JG would blow because he’s incompetent, can’t manage a game even on a basic level, or he let a game get out of reach because it looks like we did zero preparation. those games are the diff between 8-8 and 12-4 which are entirely different post season fates. Even 1-2 game diff this past season would’ve made a huge diff....although we would’ve missed out on WR Lamb...