Vikings Game

Blackspider214 · Aug 7, 2020

12+88=7 said:
"After taking the lead the Dallas defense allowed Minnesota to easily march down the field".

You mean that 13 play drive that Minnesota scored on a 4th and goal? That easy one.

Ummm you do realize a 'march' is not a quick drive, right? It was still easy. Dallas allowed them to shove the ball down their throats and they did zero about it. What does number of plays have to do with anything? That is even more demoralizing. To allow a team to take that time off the clock and still score.

Saints did the same thing to us. Long marches.

plasticman · Aug 8, 2020

baltcowboy said:
MM is one of the best coaches in the league his record certainly proved that. I know one thing when he came down to Dallas and whipped our butts he out coached Garrett every single time. He beat us with a scrub backup and they spotted us a twenty point lead. He wore out his welcome in Green Bay. He coached Bret Farve for crying out loud. Yes, the Packers will be moving on from Rodgers very soon.

The reality there is a split opinion on Dak and since he makes 30 million he will get the blame win or lose. Dak has a chance to prove the doubters wrong. He will in my opinion.

I'm not bagging on McCarthy for the sake of defending Garrett, my original point is that if the Cowboys are 1-3 and they blame Dak, 4-0 they praise McCarthy.

CowboyRoy · Aug 8, 2020

12+88=7 said:
Yes. The characterization of this defense being horrible is far from the truth.

Could they have been better? Absolutely, no question.

I have said this before. The Minnesota game was the only game all year where there wasn't any fault to the loss. Dallas had a chance at the end, didn't execute, and Minnesota won. Tip your hat and get you next time.

This dissection of every play is ridiculous. The other team is getting paid also. Sometimes you just lose.

Isnt it interesting how you defend the defense and hyper criticize the offense? You don't want to dissect every defensive play, but you want to dissect every offensive one. Heck, in fact...……….with the offense, 70% of the season doesn't even count. Its only 3 or 4 games that matter.

Do you think your agenda is obvious?

CowboyRoy · Aug 8, 2020

12+88=7 said:
I never troll.

The offense in wins averaged 37 points and 17 points in losses. That's a 20 point swing, 3 TDs. That was the largest swing in the NFL. That would make Dallas the most inconsistent offense, #1 in being inconsistent. Absolutely logical.

They were consistent enough to be #1 in the NFL. LOL

So the defense was consistently what? Bad? Mediocre?

Ill give you this...………..the defense was consistently terrible at creating turnovers.

Special teams, defense both factor into scoring. Field position, turnovers.

The fact that you don't understand this shows your lack of understanding of football overall.

You are the text book definition of a troll.

But I will agree with you on one point. The running game was inconsistent.

Sydla · Aug 8, 2020

12+88=7 said:
I love how everyone goes to the analytics when normal stats are inconvenient.

Dallas was 9th in yards and 11th in points allowed last year. Both are in the top third of the league.

But with the most inconsistent offense in the NFL last year but you're right, Dallas needed to be in the top 5 for this team to succeed.

The defense was inconsistent too.

You look foolish trying to downplay the offensive stats by saying they were inconsistent but then turn around and not point out the defense was very similar.

CalPolyTechnique · Aug 8, 2020

robjay04 said:
Out of boredom, I decided to watch highlights of this game tonight for first time since I slammed the remote down in a drunken stupor in what feels like years ago. I haven’t been able to bring myself to look at highlights even though the game produced some of the best ones from the season. What a missed opportunity. What a heart breaker. What a low point to be a fan of this team.

Everything was set up perfectly. Dak has arguably his best game as a pro IMO and we drove down the field to win the game. Despite poor play calling and falling behind early, we had the game in our grasp. We all know the outcome and would’ve been a season defining victory has instead became a season defining defeat.

Games like that, the Jets, Saints and of course, the Eagles made 2019 the most miserable season I remember. There is no way that team, especially offensively, should’ve been 8-8.

Thank god this team got the change we deserved. A 57 yard field goal on an opening drive!?
The punt return!?
The final 3 plays?

How in the world could a veteran coaching staff make mistakes like that? All in one game?

It’s almost as laughable as this 9 month delayed rant.

That was a Jason Garrett special.

robjay04 · Aug 8, 2020

12+88=7 said:
Yes. The characterization of this defense being horrible is far from the truth.

Could they have been better? Absolutely, no question.

I have said this before. The Minnesota game was the only game all year where there wasn't any fault to the loss. Dallas had a chance at the end, didn't execute, and Minnesota won. Tip your hat and get you next time.

This dissection of every play is ridiculous. The other team is getting paid also. Sometimes you just lose.

I believe the defense and special teams should be able to bail the offense out occasionally.

Okay the offense wins you 8 games...can the defense muster a stop or turnover to win you another? Can the special teams make a play or at least make their kicks consistently to win another?

The offense can have bad days which you would hope they would have less considering the resources on that side of the ball but regardless...Dallas had the worst starting field position by far last season due to poor special teams and lack of turnovers in general but especially on the opponents side of the field.

The only team to make the playoffs while ranking in the bottom half of the league with forced turnovers is the Eagles and they had 3 more than us and shouldn’t have made the playoffs either but one of us had to go.

12+88=7 · Aug 8, 2020

robjay04 said:
I believe the defense and special teams should be able to bail the offense out occasionally.

Okay the offense wins you 8 games...can the defense muster a stop or turnover to win you another? Can the special teams make a play or at least make their kicks consistently to win another?

The offense can have bad days which you would hope they would have less considering the resources on that side of the ball but regardless...Dallas had the worst starting field position by far last season due to poor special teams and lack of turnovers in general but especially on the opponents side of the field.

The only team to make the playoffs while ranking in the bottom half of the league with forced turnovers is the Eagles and they had 3 more than us and shouldn’t have made the playoffs either but one of us had to go.

The defense helped, special teams did not.

Dallas held opponents to 17 points or under 7 times last year(almost half). But their record in these games was 4-3. I'm sorry but you should win all those games or at least go 6-1. Had this happened Dallas would have gone 11-5 or 10-6 won the division and a lot of these discussions would be framed in a different manner.

HungryLion · Aug 8, 2020

12+88=7 said:
The defense helped, special teams did not.

Dallas held opponents to 17 points or under 7 times last year(almost half). But their record in these games was 4-3. I'm sorry but you should win all those games or at least go 6-1. Had this happened Dallas would have gone 11-5 or 10-6 won the division and a lot of these discussions would be framed in a different manner.

The defense was ok in some respects, but needs to force turnovers. You don’t beat good teams consistently without forcing turnovers.

The cowboys will never ever ever ever win a Super Bowl, with the defense being bottom 10 in forced turnovers.

it will never happen

robjay04 · Aug 8, 2020

12+88=7 said:
The defense helped, special teams did not.

Dallas held opponents to 17 points or under 7 times last year(almost half). But their record in these games was 4-3. I'm sorry but you should win all those games or at least go 6-1. Had this happened Dallas would have gone 11-5 or 10-6 won the division and a lot of these discussions would be framed in a different manner.

I don’t disagree with much of what you said but...it would be nice if the defense could make a stop to close out a game. I felt like teams could move the ball on us when it mattered and their lack of turnovers is not reflective of a playoff caliber defense.

We wouldn’t even be having this discussion if we had a consistent kicking game.

SteveTheCowboy · Aug 8, 2020

glimmerman said:
Even if he does he won’t get credit for it. Only blame if he loses.

Bulllsheet. I don't get why you make up these scenarios in your head. You have to get a grip man.

People want dak to succeed. There are some that would rather not pay him so much...but they want to win as bad as you do . Come on man..stop with this petulant childish crap. It's unbecoming.

SteveTheCowboy · Aug 8, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Lol.....and what did you just do?

cowboys offense was #1 in the nfl not 10th.

yet it’s not convenient so you say something stupid like.......they were inconsistent.

so they were inconsistently #1?

troll logic......gotta laugh at it.

This website lists team offense 6th...NOT 1st.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/index.htm

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Aug 8, 2020

Blackspider214 said:
Another game where the defense crapped the bed so much and put us in a big hole right off the bat.

This offense really has zero room for error. The defense and special teams gives them no help at all. Dak and this offense come back from the deficit and we take the lead. What does the defense do? Allow the Vikings to easily march down the field and take the lead right back. They did this exact thing in the Saints game. This defense could not make a play in the clutch to save their lives.

I knew this defense was going to be bad right out the gate against NYG. People brushed it off because we won and the offense looked great but man, Giants moved the ball at will against us. Not many teams didn't get what they wanted.

Agree especially the last paragraph. What was it 10 or 11 carries and SB was at almost 120 yards, yes he had one big run but that counts, can't deduct it. Luckily they quit running him.

fivetwos · Aug 8, 2020

DakPresgoat said:
The defense was ok in some respects, but needs to force turnovers. You don’t beat good teams consistently without forcing turnovers.

The cowboys will never ever ever ever win a Super Bowl, with the defense being bottom 10 in forced turnovers.

it will never happen

Cant argue this. Not in today's league.

glimmerman · Aug 8, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
Bulllsheet. I don't get why you make up these scenarios in your head. You have to get a grip man.

People want dak to succeed. There are some that would rather not pay him so much...but they want to win as bad as you do . Come on man..stop with this petulant childish crap. It's unbecoming.

Lmao.. Do you even read these boards. There are people here that dislike Dak so bad that they almost or do want the team to fail so he can catch blame and be gone. I want a SB. I am fine with Dak leading the way. If we can get a better QB then do it. I root for my team to win every game every year. Have been since the 70’s...

Beaker42 · Aug 8, 2020

ClappingCarrot said:
Arguably Kellen's worst game down the stretch as a play caller. That last sequence was atrocious.

Dak was money that game though.

We’ll never know if it was Kellen or someone else’s finger on the scale.

fivetwos · Aug 8, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
They were consistent enough to be #1 in the NFL. LOL

So the defense was consistently what? Bad? Mediocre?

Ill give you this...………..the defense was consistently terrible at creating turnovers.

Special teams, defense both factor into scoring. Field position, turnovers.

The fact that you don't understand this shows your lack of understanding of football overall.

You are the text book definition of a troll.

But I will agree with you on one point. The running game was inconsistent.

Wow you make a ton of really good points.

All true.

Except that first line....they became #1 not at all with "consistency." They really weren't.

I hope you take that all in a good way. It was meant that way.

Focus on all you were very correct about there.

xwalker · Aug 8, 2020

robjay04 said:
Out of boredom, I decided to watch highlights of this game tonight for first time since I slammed the remote down in a drunken stupor in what feels like years ago. I haven’t been able to bring myself to look at highlights even though the game produced some of the best ones from the season. What a missed opportunity. What a heart breaker. What a low point to be a fan of this team.

Everything was set up perfectly. Dak has arguably his best game as a pro IMO and we drove down the field to win the game. Despite poor play calling and falling behind early, we had the game in our grasp. We all know the outcome and would’ve been a season defining victory has instead became a season defining defeat.

Games like that, the Jets, Saints and of course, the Eagles made 2019 the most miserable season I remember. There is no way that team, especially offensively, should’ve been 8-8.

Thank god this team got the change we deserved. A 57 yard field goal on an opening drive!?
The punt return!?
The final 3 plays?

How in the world could a veteran coaching staff make mistakes like that? All in one game?

It’s almost as laughable as this 9 month delayed rant.

12+88=7 said:
"After taking the lead the Dallas defense allowed Minnesota to easily march down the field".

You mean that 13 play drive that Minnesota scored on a 4th and goal? That easy one.

The Cowboys allowed more rushing yards and more 1st downs to the Vikings than to any other team last season.

Marinelli's scheme struggles against zone run blocking plays. It was the #1 problem in the playoff loss to the Rams prior to the 2019 season.
- It became the #1 problem during the 2019 season.

The 49ers and the Rams the year before took less talented rosters than the Cowboy and made it to the Super Bowl due to their unique versions of the zone running game.

Side Note: It was 49ers Head Coach Kyle Shannahan's father and OL coach Alex Gibbs that 1st went all in on implementing the zone running scheme in the NFL. It resulted in Super Bowls wins for Elway that eluded him previously.

The Cowboys offense in 2019 also struggled to execute the zone running game which had been their key to success back in 2016 and 2014.

CowboyRoy · Aug 8, 2020

fivetwos said:
Wow you make a ton of really good points.

All true.

Except that first line....they became #1 not at all with "consistency." They really weren't.

I hope you take that all in a good way. It was meant that way.

Focus on all you were very correct about there.

They were consistently coached by an idiot.

Alexander · Aug 8, 2020

This was the game where I think Jones had finally had enough. He was pretty adamant they got outcoached after that game.

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What's it going to be then, eh?