Twitter: Since 2016 feeding Zeke has 0 correlation to winning

aria

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Barkley? LOL!
2019:
52 438 8.4

Zeke
54 420 7.8


You really "showed" me! LOL....
Great rebuttal, don’t mention the fact that Barkley had a horrible O line, no other legitimate threats on offense to take pressure off of him, a rookie QB, a high ankle sprain and he didn’t even play 3 games. Perhaps you should post 2018 stats for better accuracy.

91 receptions
721 yards

It didn’t take long to see why I had you on ignore but I wanted to see who quincy was arguing with that could be that slow, I wasn’t surprised. Back to ignore, I’ve wasted too much time proving you wrong.
 

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Great rebuttal, don’t mention the fact that Barkley had a horrible O line, no other legitimate threats on offense to take pressure off of him, a rookie QB, a high ankle sprain and he didn’t even play 3 games. Perhaps you should post 2018 stats for better accuracy.

91 receptions
721 yards

It didn’t take long to see why I had you on ignore but I wanted to see who quincy was arguing with that could be that slow, I wasn’t surprised. Back to ignore, I’ve wasted too much time proving you wrong.


I get that you don;t want top argue with someone who proves you wrong.

I posted the last season. Nothing wrong with that. You cherry picked a season that suits your hatred. Hate makes one irrational.

Somebody quote my post please! For the coward who can;t take a different opinion WITH facts.
 

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I personally think Zeke is the best all around back in the league. I think he would be even better if he ever developed a stiff arm instead of just lowering the shoulder.
 

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I personally think Zeke is the best all around back in the league. I think he would be even better if he ever developed a stiff arm instead of just lowering the shoulder.
Agreed. Wish Henry would teach him. Henry is a beast with the stiff arm.
 

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More like when the offensive line plays well so does the entire team. Zeke wouldn’t be beat as effective behind a lot of O lines in this league because he isn’t good at being elusive, his yards after contact isn’t all that nor are his broken tackles numbers. Even with the room he has to run he fails to make defenders miss and prefers to plow into them for a small gain.

I would love to see how ineffective he would be behind the Giants, Jets or several other O lines in this league and see if all the homers finally admit he’s over rated.

Zeke is one of the most consistent backs in this league. Has put elite numbers since in came in this league and yet to miss a game due to injury. Cowboy OL is solid, but by no means an elite unit. He is a power back that grinds out yardage and moves the sticks. To say he is overrated isn't factual what so ever, it's totally based on your own opinion, but not by the actual rushing statistics. His numbers were very good last season and should of been even better if the team wasn't trying to play catch up most of the time. Perhaps you want more of a homerun type of back, not a power back like Zeke Elliot is.
 

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Zeke is one of the most consistent backs in this league. Has put elite numbers since in came in this league and yet to miss a game due to injury. Cowboy OL is solid, but by no means an elite unit. He is a power back that grinds out yardage and moves the sticks. To say he is overrated isn't factual what so ever, it's totally based on your own opinion, but not by the actual rushing statistics. His numbers were very good last season and should of been even better if the team wasn't trying to play catch up most of the time. Perhaps you want more of a homerun type of back, not a power back like Zeke Elliot is.
So every ranking and statistical site has had this O line ranked in the top 5 run blocking for 3 out of the past 4 years and that’s not elite but the several statistics that show zeke not even in the top 5, or top 10 is several cases, shows that zeke is elite? Lol, ok.

Have you read ANY of the several links I’ve posted that show that zeke isn’t elite in almost every category or are you one of those people that don’t click on them but continue to argue that I’m wrong? Those stats are not my opinion, they are facts and based on the numbers zeke has put up, not me. If you have a problem with those numbers maybe you should take it up with your boy?

Speaking of “grinds out yardage, let’s just start here, please tell me how this is my opinion or how it shows how “elite” zeke is. This is just the beginning, we’ll take each stat and article one at a time so I don’t overwhelm you.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ezekiel-elliott-is-not-worth-the-money-he-wants/
 
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So every ranking and statistical site has had this O line ranked in the top 5 run blocking for 3 out of the past 4 years and that’s not elite but the several statistics that show zeke not even in the top 5, or top 10 is several cases, shows that zeke is elite? Lol, ok.

Have you read ANY of the several links I’ve posted that show that zeke isn’t elite in almost every category or are you one of those people that don’t click on them but continue to argue that I’m wrong? Those stats are not my opinion, they are facts and based on the numbers zeke has put up, not me. If you have a problem with those numbers maybe you should take it up with your boy?

Speaking of “grinds out yardage, let’s just start here, please tell me how this is my opinion or how it shows how “elite” zeke is. This is just the beginning, we’ll take each stat and article one at a time so I don’t overwhelm you.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ezekiel-elliott-is-not-worth-the-money-he-wants/
I love how you insist on dying on that cross, good for you. Stick to your guns!
 

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I love how you insist on dying on that cross, good for you. Stick to your guns!
Lol, it’s ridiculous how many people argue something they have no idea about and then tell me I’m wrong, even when I provide the facts for them, that contradict everything their arguing.
 

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"at the beginning of games"

Aside from a massive score discrepancy, is there any single measurement that does correlating to winning when viewed from an "at the beginning of games" perspective?

Why would anyone expect production in the 1st quarter to determine the outcome of an entire game?
 

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"at the beginning of games"

Aside from a massive score discrepancy, is there any single measurement that does correlating to winning when viewed from an "at the beginning of games" perspective?

Why would anyone expect production in the 1st quarter to determine the outcome of an entire game?
Sure is! Look up 1st quarter passing EPA.

Glad you asked.

The 1st quarter is a quarter of the game btw, what happens in that first quarter helps determine the outcome of the entire game. Happy to help!
 

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"at the beginning of games"

Aside from a massive score discrepancy, is there any single measurement that does correlating to winning when viewed from an "at the beginning of games" perspective?

Why would anyone expect production in the 1st quarter to determine the outcome of an entire game?


These self proclaimed "experts" who say they know football better than anyone else...think a great running game starts in the first quarter? Or that when you are "likely to win"...you don't pound the rock?

That's how the running game works. You have to beat them up a little bit with jabs. Then when the game is in hand...you burn the clock with runs.

When you are "unlikely to win" don't you go to the passing game to TRY to catch up fast? I guess all this time Aaron Rodgers SHOULD have been handing the ball off to come from behind. Or hurled bombs when he was "like to win"

This is a case of totally molesting a stat to prove an illegitimate point.
 

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So every ranking and statistical site has had this O line ranked in the top 5 run blocking for 3 out of the past 4 years and that’s not elite but the several statistics that show zeke not even in the top 5, or top 10 is several cases, shows that zeke is elite? Lol, ok.

Have you read ANY of the several links I’ve posted that show that zeke isn’t elite in almost every category or are you one of those people that don’t click on them but continue to argue that I’m wrong? Those stats are not my opinion, they are facts and based on the numbers zeke has put up, not me. If you have a problem with those numbers maybe you should take it up with your boy?

Speaking of “grinds out yardage, let’s just start here, please tell me how this is my opinion or how it shows how “elite” zeke is. This is just the beginning, we’ll take each stat and article one at a time so I don’t overwhelm you.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ezekiel-elliott-is-not-worth-the-money-he-wants/

Re-watch the good defenses we played last season, tell me how good this Offensive Line was in the run game. The Saint game comes to mind, they got destroyed in the trenches, same could be said against the Vikings. The OL hasn't been the same since Leary left the team, along with Frederick not playing to his former all-pro level.

Teams game plan to stop Zeke and dare Dak to beat them through the air. Again the team is 22-4 in games in which Zeke went over 100 rushing yards. His production is tied with the team winning football games. Football is about winning on sundays, Zeke's success is a big part of that. Look at all the other top running backs around the league, most play on terrible teams, since Zeke has arrived, the team has never had a losing record. Take Elliot off this team and they barely win 6 football games. You cannot just use situational analytics to determine if a back is elite or not, you have also factor in his actual production and how teams defend him.
 

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Re-watch the good defenses we played last season, tell me how good this Offensive Line was in the run game. The Saint game comes to mind, they got destroyed in the trenches, same could be said against the Vikings. The OL hasn't been the same since Leary left the team, along with Frederick not playing to his former all-pro level.

Teams game plan to stop Zeke and dare Dak to beat them through the air. Again the team is 22-4 in games in which Zeke went over 100 rushing yards. His production is tied with the team winning football games. Football is about winning on sundays, Zeke's success is a big part of that. Look at all the other top running backs around the league, most play on terrible teams, since Zeke has arrived, the team has never had a losing record. Take Elliot off this team and they barely win 6 football games. You cannot just use situational analytics to determine if a back is elite or not, you have also factor in his actual production and how teams defend him.
So you’re completely discrediting all the sites and analysts that have had us ranked as a top 5 run blocking team and you say zeke is elite but discredit the article I posted? Is that correct?

Then you want to bring up the Saints game or any game where zeke didn’t do well and blame the O line but guys like Barkley have one of the worst O lines in the league and still manage to put up similar, and in some cases better, numbers than zeke. Lol, you can’t be serious.

Teams game plan for zeke, huh? Is that why he faced less stacked boxes last year than any other season in his career and less than 23 other RB’s in the league?

Barely win 6 games without zeke as opposed to the whopping 8 they won last year? Wooooo...that sure makes his contract worth it, thankfully we could get to .500 and a worse draft pick then had we won 6 games.

You’re out of your element dude. You want to discredit every stat but total yards and use the “eye test” to claim he’s elite while ignoring all the facts that show he hasn’t been elite since 2016. I can post several other articles and facts that prove you wrong but it’s clearly pointless since nothing matters to you but your own opinion, not facts.
 
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