Human advancement

Sometimes i think about peoples of the past and when some dreamer might have looked to the sky then said to a friend one day humans will be able to go up there somehow. I'm sure that person was laughed at etc. I propbably would've laughed at a person saying such things as well.

From my limited knowledge of history it seems to me that about 12 thousand years ago the first barter/trade happened between nomads somewhere in the cresent. Since then we humans have basically been following their lead.

Given the fact that these peoples simply had no other real options available i can see why this continued all the way to the present. I feel that humanity recently has started to very slowly consider other options. To me it seems that most things run their course and then they are forgotten about to some degree.

I think there are quite a few people now who can see a world where a house gets built without a single construction worker because of the semi recent invention of the 3D printer. I also think that some people believe there soon won't be anybody driving anything except for maybe sports related vechiles like Nascar or sailboats etc.

As these types of things start to become part of the norm in the not so distant future i think humanity will be faced with some very difficult situations and there will be groups of peoples who are so attached to a certian way of life that the old and the new will not be able to merge. In the past this seems like it has lead to wars more often then not, then people say its not worth it and a way to merge is found because of humanity's desire for peace.

I think that most people would agree that this current civilization goes round and round based on money and the lending of money. As humanity keeps advancing i think that this old way will find little room to coexist with the rapid pace of increased technology.

One day probably not in my lifetime people will decide that they don't have anymore desire to barter. Do you think that if this comes to pass that a war will happen to prevent it or do you see a peaceful transition?

I think that the elite of this world will try every trick in the book to prevent a world with no lending/spending. This is why i think wether we like it or not they will first implement a UBI system to keep change from taking place.

What say you?

aliens.

If money was based off the work a person does, what could we not accomplish? The powers that be could stop taxing people and create a budget of 900 trillion dollars a month.

Undeveloped countries could build electric railroads, electric cars, electric planes and helicopters. They could build as many hospitals, schools, colleges, recycling centers, and prisons as their hearts desire. So every inch of the planet could be just as developed as the U.S. But without the huge carbon footprint that the U.S. has.

But as long as money is based off of resources...there will never be enough to go around. And that's how you end up with high unemployment rates, high crime rates, widespread poverty, homelessness and starving people. All because we don't have enough, of one single invented item, money.

If we invented/created it, then why does it have a chokehold on our livelihoods?

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:

If money was based off the work a person does, what could we not accomplish? The powers that be could stop taxing people and create a budget of 900 trillion dollars a month.

Undeveloped countries could build electric railroads, electric cars, electric planes and helicopters. They could build as many hospitals, schools, colleges, recycling centers, and prisons as their hearts desire. So every inch of the planet could be just as developed as the U.S. But without the huge carbon footprint that the U.S. has.

But as long as money is based off of resources...there will never be enough to go around. And that's how you end up with high unemployment rates, high crime rates, widespread poverty, homelessness and starving people. All because we don't have enough, of one single invented item, money.

If we invented/created it, then why does it have a chokehold on our livelihoods?

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Good points, and when the banks need the extra cash then the Gov scrammbles very quickly to get it them. Banks make money multiple times off the same product, which i think will be their undoing eventually.

Someone makes products but needs loans to make it. Then another person needs loans to transport it. Then another person needs loans to buy it. Then another person needs loans to dispose of it. That kind of system can not last much longer. They will fund wars to keep it the way it is. Any person who was in their shoes would probably do the same, myself included. It's basically raining money all day long for them 24/7/365.

I feel like that we have almost reached the peak of humankind. I can’t see how much more technological advances there are to accomplish really. I mean, we will see more advancement but for how long? 100, 200, 1000 more years? In the grand scheme of things, humans have only been here for a blip and might not last much longer.......

Dinosaurs lived for about 165 million years, humans might be lucky to reach 1% of that.

Tabascocat said:

I feel like that we have almost reached the peak of humankind. I can’t see how much more technological advances there are to accomplish really. I mean, we will see more advancement but for how long? 100, 200, 1000 more years? In the grand scheme of things, humans have only been here for a blip and might not last much longer.......

Dinosaurs lived for about 165 million years, humans might be lucky to reach 1% of that.

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We think we are much more important than we are in the grand scheme. Like you said, our existence is a fraction of a species we predict became extinct due to elements outside of their own doing. We're doing away with ourselves without the need of some giant asteroid to wipe us out. We'll be gone before they know we existed.

Tabascocat said:

I can’t see how much more technological advances there are to accomplish really.

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Tabascocat said:

I feel like that we have almost reached the peak of humankind. I can’t see how much more technological advances there are to accomplish really. I mean, we will see more advancement but for how long? 100, 200, 1000 more years? In the grand scheme of things, humans have only been here for a blip and might not last much longer.......

Dinosaurs lived for about 165 million years, humans might be lucky to reach 1% of that.

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I think humanity is only at the beginning when it comes to technology and other types of advancments. I think human complacency and/or fear hold mankind in long periods of limbo.

I'm sure after those two bombs landed in Japan some people were probably thinking something similar about humanity soon going extinct or close to it. I will agree with them in terms that the more advances that are made the more the percentage goes up for a possible self destruction whether proposely or accidentally. The possibilty of something outsite of human hands sending us extinct has always existed and will continue to exist, but since we have the ability to build that is a advantage other species on this planet can't really do very well.

I believe that soon every organ besides the brain will be replicated perfectly without any DNA being taken from the specific person in need or any other person for that matter. If such a invention comes into being the human life span will increase quite a bit.

To get back to my original point which was about bartering/trading. Most people i speak with seem to always have their eye on retirement and achieving financial security for the long haul. Well with these further increases in technology and other advancments people will eventually start to ask themselves is this constant bartering even necessary and can the same means be achieved without it, and i believe their answer will be no that it is not necessary and yes the same means can be achieved plus much more. Once people see this idea as universal that will be the end of bartering/trading.

That world will look very strange to us, no different then if we got a stone age person to come and live in this current world.

My concern about humankind is thinking we're the smartest beings in the universe. With the advancement of technology and new sciences comes discipline and we've become more interested in the benefit of that to our bank account than humankind.

Since the creation of the internet and social media, has your opinion of the human race improved or worsened?

The human race is exactly like ants, constantly at war. We cannot stand peace, it bores us. Ever wonder how our ancestral beings, the first to walk this planet on two feet, got along? As far back as they can trace history, we're always been destructive. Especially to each other.

I've often wondered about an alien race showing up on our doorstep and giving our planet a chance to defend itself or be dematerialized. What would they say, these leaders? When asked with what intentions would we travel to other planets or systems because we can't even get along within our own species on our native planet? How would we defend our actions and intent?

CouchCoach said:

My concern about humankind is thinking we're the smartest beings in the universe. With the advancement of technology and new sciences comes discipline and we've become more interested in the benefit of that to our bank account than humankind.

Since the creation of the internet and social media, has your opinion of the human race improved or worsened?

The human race is exactly like ants, constantly at war. We cannot stand peace, it bores us. Ever wonder how our ancestral beings, the first to walk this planet on two feet, got along? As far back as they can trace history, we're always been destructive. Especially to each other.

I've often wondered about an alien race showing up on our doorstep and giving our planet a chance to defend itself or be dematerialized. What would they say, these leaders? When asked with what intentions would we travel to other planets or systems because we can't even get along within our own species on our native planet? How would we defend our actions and intent?

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Well thinking we are the smartest beings in the universe is silly because the number one thing to consider is we have no idea what kind of beings are even in this universe, so anyone who thinks that doesn't even need to be dealt with atm. Discipline has always been a requirement for a better life. As far as my opinion of the human race since the invention of the internet, well i think people used to keep many things to themselves or a small group and now not so much anymore.

I would agree that humans have much in common with ants, but i do think most people perfer peace. I'm sure those who first walked the earth had very little peace, but i think that was mostly due to fear of each other/the unknown.

If humanity had to give reasons to a alien race about why we are the way we are, the number one reason would be, well we are still learning and we will get there soon enough. I think any advanced alien race would know this without even having to ask us. Yes humans do have a great desire for conquest but i think that also comes from the fear of eat or be eatten. I believe that soon enough these thought processes will be done away with.

Only time will tell. Hopefully we will get to see a little bit of it.

Humans are going to human. Always have, always will, We are always going to seek to satisfy our ego, consciously and unconsciously. For some that may mean living an altruistic life which feeds their desire to feel good about themselves. For others it will mean seeking power, fame, fortune to feed their internal monkey. An infinite number of degrees between the two extremes.

Human nature is on display from the toilet paper aisle to the top levels of Church and State. There is no influence on earth or elsewhere that is going to change that.

Vtwin said:

Humans are going to human. Always have, always will, We are always going to seek to satisfy our ego, consciously and unconsciously. For some that may mean living an altruistic life which feeds their desire to feel good about themselves. For others it will mean seeking power, fame, fortune to feed their internal monkey. An infinite number of degrees between the two extremes.

Human nature is on display from the toilet paper aisle to the top levels of Church and State. There is no influence on earth or elsewhere that is going to change that.

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Always is a time uncountable, therefore i will bet aganist that statement. I simply see the current state of things as being burdensome and soon unnecessry. Seems some people might enjoy the unnecessry and burdensome lifestyle, one day they will realize it. How soon is the only real question that remains.

Sarek said:

Always is a time uncountable, therefore i will bet aganist that statement. I simply see the current state of things as being burdensome and soon unnecessry. Seems some people might enjoy the unnecessry and burdensome lifestyle, one day they will realize it. How soon is the only real question that remains.

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You're far more optimistic than I am. Although you seem to be saying something along the same lines in the last line of the OP.

How do the "elite" become the elite? What is going to change to keep those seeking "elite" status to stop?

What does a society without barter look like? If even possible wouldn't it take 100% buy in, (no pun intended) to accomplish?

Vtwin said:

You're far more optimistic than I am. Although you seem to be saying something along the same lines in the last line of the OP.

How do the "elite" become the elite? What is going to change to keep those seeking "elite" status to stop?

What does a society without barter look like? If even possible wouldn't it take 100% buy in, (no pun intended) to accomplish?

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I think the elite became the elite because most average people didn't want to do anything to change the state of affairs that they were in, and the elite were willing to change. I have nothing aganist the elite in the terms that some kind of people are needed to change things in order to have advancement. My problem is that after they changed things they started becoming very comfortable and feel no need to change again rather now they just protect what they've gained hence leaving the rest of the world in limbo again.

I think a society without barter can only prosper with mass production. In the past mass production was only possible with human labor, but soon maybe even right now it's not the case. Automation will do most jobs better than the human can do them. I don't see labor as a future problem rather it's the resources that will be the key in all of this, where will those resourses come from and how will they maintain a steady and increasing flow of those resources.

I was having a conversation with a very private person in late 2019 and they were telling me that plans for turning ocean water into fresh water on a massive scale are already drawn up and will work properly, but that these plans will be put on hold until they have no choice but to start these projects. I asked what that would look like and this person told me think of massive dam like structures creating energy and fresh water and the same time. I know this was only a conversation and nothing concrete but i had no reason not to believe this person considering other details i won't go into.

The buy in will also be tricky and very sensitive, i wouldn't doubt for a second that people will be looking in one direction while other means are being achieved in the backround. This trick goes back to the days of Athens when they needed a navy ready to deal with the incoming Persians. Indeed these tricks repeat themselves and are sometimes necessary.

I don't expect anything over night, but i do think some things are in motion even now as we discuss them.

Tabascocat said:

I feel like that we have almost reached the peak of humankind. I can’t see how much more technological advances there are to accomplish really. I mean, we will see more advancement but for how long? 100, 200, 1000 more years? In the grand scheme of things, humans have only been here for a blip and might not last much longer.......

Dinosaurs lived for about 165 million years, humans might be lucky to reach 1% of that.

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I can see advancements with AI, the medical industry (also assuming there were more honesty involved in certain aspects of it) and energy, but it all feels like those will peak within 100 years, if not much sooner.

The AI part is actually scary because these smart people say nothing that you've seen in movies is something to worry about, but that's exactly what those people said. Smart people that have yet to discover all that it brings so how can they say there's nothing to worry about? Sure we might have more control over AI initially in terms of physical properties, but I can easily see there being problems with any online/networked portion.

I just found this video and watched it. I don't agree or support everything being said, but it gives a pretty good description of what things might look like soon enough.

Another video which i don't agree with on everything mentioned, but a clear indication of what direction the future will look like to some degree.

Now that we have slightly put our toes into the water, lets go a little deeper.