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One of the things I have to appreciate with this team's goings on is the contributions that led to us having such a successful draft. I'm mostly thinking in terms of crediting Will McClay for his contributions in guiding the scouts. Also, let's credit the scouts for listening and being able to follow through so well. I'd like to think McCarthy had a say in that process as well. It's hard to imagine a HC not doing so, in any case. Let's score some points for him, too, while we're at it. Great job, guys!
 
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I haven’t seen any compelling evidence Stephen wasn’t a Garrett supporter and or had anything to do with parting ways with him.

I know for sure that Jerry was devastated, as well as thoroughly miffed with the 8-8 record and the special team's performance at year's end. I'd like to think that the FO brass both finally agreed that something had to be done to change things. The failure of the players to live up to their abilities seemed like overwhelming evidence of the coaching being unacceptable. Of course, what followed was a new staff taking over. Thank goodness for that. No doubt but what it was long overdue and that our FO had no recourse but to finally admit to the truth.
 

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I know for sure that Jerry was devastated, as well as thoroughly miffed with the 8-8 record and the special team's performance at year's end. I'd like to think that the FO brass both finally agreed that something had to be done to change things. The failure of the players to live up to their abilities seemed like overwhelming evidence of the coaching being unacceptable. Of course, what followed was a new staff taking over. Thank goodness for that. No doubt but what it was long overdue and that our FO had no recourse but to finally admit to the truth.
Unless the talent is over hyped. They performed well against lesser talent and struggled against greater talent on the most part which might be more reflective on their ability than coaching. Time will tell.

That said we’d like to think better coaching will help. But regardless our FO despite the overwhelming evidence that a change in coaching was needed attempted to retain Garrett.

I certainly don’t recall Stephen speaking out against Jerry?
 

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One of the things I have to appreciate with this team's goings on is the contributions that led to us having such a successful draft. I'm mostly thinking in terms of crediting Will McClay for his contributions in guiding the scouts. Also, let's credit the scouts for listening and being able to follow through so well. I'd like to think McCarthy had a say in that process as well. It's hard to imagine a HC not doing so, in any case. Let's score some points for him, too, while we're at it. Great job, guys!
We’ve had some good drafts in previous years putting the core of this roster together. I don’t recall Garrett receiving his due . Not sure why we’d give McCarthy his?
 

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One of the things I have to appreciate with this team's goings on is the contributions that led to us having such a successful draft. I'm mostly thinking in terms of crediting Will McClay for his contributions in guiding the scouts. Also, let's credit the scouts for listening and being able to follow through so well. I'd like to think McCarthy had a say in that process as well. It's hard to imagine a HC not doing so, in any case. Let's score some points for him, too, while we're at it. Great job, guys!

We've yet to see any of these draftees play in the NFL. The draft looks good on paper. That's all we know at this point.
 

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25 years tend to create doubt among fans. Very few people under 30 even remember the last Dallas div playoff win. Hope does not spring eternal w the fuhrer and son. Rah, rah, same bs, new hc to blame for failure, and the next chapter of underachieving. We need more coaches that are former players w zero coaching experience that JJ can give an 8 yr window to learn on the job.

Funny, that last part you mentioned. Well, to me anyway. I mean there is a former player with no great deal of coaching experience who is still on the coaching staff. He was retained by JJ.
Don't know if that's ironic that you mentioned this or if it's history waiting to repeat itself. Just sayin... :)
 

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The coaching and talent argument never changes and I will argue that the Cowboys have not had the talent to bring it home on the D side of the ball in decades.

However, what they do have is a very good track record in the very first year a new HC takes over from Parcells to Phillips to Garrett, the talent responded so there is something to that coaching side of the argument. Or is the argument in favor of change?

Wade Phillips is considered one of the very best DC's yet he's hit and miss with the same system from team to team. Lewis and Ryan failed to field D's anything close to the ones that got them HC's jobs. Jim Johnson was up and down as he's considered one of the best to ever do it.

I don't know if the Cowboys did enough to even stay at the same level as last season on the D side with losing the best DL and DB so Nolan and his guys have their work cut out for them because fans expect it to be better, that's what change is all about, isn't it? Make it better.

I do feel they did about as well as they could as there were only two immediate impact HC's available and WAS got the other one. I will try to back off criticizing Booger in that area because I think he did the best he could although it was late coming but who am I to say that even? I don't own it, I am not close to it and I didn't have a guy that I've known from when he first became a Cowboy, did a fine job in his role on the team, to when he entered coaching and became a hot commodity. I am also not 78 with his priorities more having a job for all the family members.

I think that too often we fans do not really consider what this really is, a locally owned and operated family run business that just happens to be a NFL team.
 

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The coaching and talent argument never changes and I will argue that the Cowboys have not had the talent to bring it home on the D side of the ball in decades.

However, what they do have is a very good track record in the very first year a new HC takes over from Parcells to Phillips to Garrett, the talent responded so there is something to that coaching side of the argument. Or is the argument in favor of change?

Wade Phillips is considered one of the very best DC's yet he's hit and miss with the same system from team to team. Lewis and Ryan failed to field D's anything close to the ones that got them HC's jobs. Jim Johnson was up and down as he's considered one of the best to ever do it.

I don't know if the Cowboys did enough to even stay at the same level as last season on the D side with losing the best DL and DB so Nolan and his guys have their work cut out for them because fans expect it to be better, that's what change is all about, isn't it? Make it better.

I do feel they did about as well as they could as there were only two immediate impact HC's available and WAS got the other one. I will try to back off criticizing Booger in that area because I think he did the best he could although it was late coming but who am I to say that even? I don't own it, I am not close to it and I didn't have a guy that I've known from when he first became a Cowboy, did a fine job in his role on the team, to when he entered coaching and became a hot commodity. I am also not 78 with his priorities more having a job for all the family members.

I think that too often we fans do not really consider what this really is, a locally owned and operated family run business that just happens to be a NFL team.
Coach you hit on the foundational problem with the way this franchise is run. It’s not run like professional football organizations that are consistently winning. It’s being run just like you described...like a family lumber business with Dad and all the kids involved with lifetime jobs regardless of qualifications or success. The teams that are winning in the 21st century don’t make the DNA relationship with the owner a qualifier for a front office job.

It’s inherently flawed. Not because an owner can’t do what he wants with his product. He can. It’s flawed because the complete family run NFL front office is not a good model if your top priority is to win a super bowl. Obviously that’s not the top priority here. Winning is something the Jones boys want. Just not bad enough to make the changes that have so obviously kept this team from rising above where they have been for 25 years.
 

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We shall see the difference defensive coaches make. The bar was set very low last year with marinelli and richard. The so called two defensive coordinator strategy was a joke. Probably loved by garrett.
 

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Lamb was a draft slider. Quite often those guys don't succeed.
I understand the talent value but after we just signed Cooper and with so many greater needs on defense it just didn’t make sense to me.

I guess we should just be happy we’ve added more talent to a position of strength we already had instead of using the pick on a position of weakness.
 

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Coach you hit on the foundational problem with the way this franchise is run. It’s not run like professional football organizations that are consistently winning. It’s being run just like you described...like a family lumber business with Dad and all the kids involved with lifetime jobs regardless of qualifications or success. The teams that are winning in the 21st century don’t make the DNA relationship with the owner a qualifier for a front office job.

It’s inherently flawed. Not because an owner can’t do what he wants with his product. He can. It’s flawed because the complete family run NFL front office is not a good model if your top priority is to win a super bowl. Obviously that’s not the top priority here. Winning is something the Jones boys want. Just not bad enough to make the changes that have so obviously kept this team from rising above where they have been for 25 years.
It's being run pretty much like a fan would run it, focusing on skill players and not understanding how important the trenches are. I mean, the OL had to fall completely apart before Jerry would address it.
 

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I understand the talent value but after we just signed Cooper and with so many greater needs on defense it just didn’t make sense to me.

I guess we should just be happy we’ve added more talent to a position of strength we already had instead of using the pick on a position of weakness.
I'm on the wait and see wagon. I'm not convinced, but so many were so happy w/ the pick, I saw no reason to throw oil on the biscuit. One of the primary worries predraft was his ability to separate. Guys that can't get open don't often have success. So, I'm hoping it was more in the way he was used, and he'll be able to separate at the NFL level.
 

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It's being run pretty much like a fan would run it, focusing on skill players and not understanding how important the trenches are. I mean, the OL had to fall completely apart before Jerry would address it.
This is one of the best descriptions I’ve seen on how our franchise is run. “ thru the eyes of a fan”

You used this years ago and it still holds true. We have become like a Fantasy team.
 

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This is one of the best descriptions I’ve seen on how our franchise is run. “ thru the eyes of a fan”

You used this years ago and it still holds true. We have become like a Fantasy team.
I used to defend Jerry and the org a bit until I saw guys on the old website consistently outdrafting the org. I then found out that I could mostly do better using info from a frickin' magazine off a shelf.

The 09 draft was the last straw. That crapp made no sense whatsoever. To say there was no one we needed in the 2nd round, and then passing on guys like Paul Kruger, Michael Johnson, and Lesean McCoy to trade out of the 2nd round. It was pure unadultered idiocy.
 

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I used to defend Jerry and the org a bit until I saw guys on the old website consistently outdrafting the org. I then found out that I could mostly do better using info from a frickin' magazine off a shelf.

The 09 draft was the last straw. That crapp made no sense whatsoever. To say there was no one we needed in the 2nd round, and then passing on guys like Paul Kruger, Michael Johnson, and Lesean McCoy to trade out of the 2nd round. It was pure unadultered idiocy.
Our ownership flaws go well beyond the draft.

What’s amazing is there are teams who actually run their operations more normally with greater expertise but can’t build or run a better team than us.

But at least they have hope by holding them accountable they might eventually get it right. All we have is hope we might get lucky.
 

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...?...I really don't know what we expect either Stevie or JJ to say about the team...They will always be guarded in their comments(for the most part anyway.) And I'm sure to expect a positive spin on just about everything!...Things have been so downhill for so long, I really do not expect anything else!...And as we all know...each season speaks for itself!
 

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We’ve had some good drafts in previous years putting the core of this roster together. I don’t recall Garrett receiving his due . Not sure why we’d give McCarthy his?

I believe the HC shares in the talent assessment under normal circumstances. How much this is true is likely subject to speculation. I think Garrett had a voice in such matters, since the HC being a part of that committee is generally considered one of the Cowboys routine practices. Of course, the extent of that isn't always made public, though. The staff seems to prefer to keep it under wraps to avoid blame from being pointed out. In most cases, I'm sure the media doesn't mind "spilling the beans," at times, however. We may recall Marinelli being exposed for his input a time or two.
 
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We've yet to see any of these draftees play in the NFL. The draft looks good on paper. That's all we know at this point.

Of course, although, the general consensus after the draft was that it was hailed as excellent. Let's hope that's accurate. ;)
 
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Our ownership flaws go well beyond the draft.

What’s amazing is there are teams who actually run their operations more normally with greater expertise but can’t build or run a better team than us.

But at least they have hope by holding them accountable they might eventually get it right. All we have is hope we might get lucky.
Funny thing how that works. What Jerry generally does is load up on a few ultra good players. These few players keep us relevant. That's why his blueprint doesn't work, because paying for these ultra good players keeps a team from fielding a well rounded team. So while we may win more overall due to these stars, in the end we'll always be that team that can't advance in the playoffs. And that is due to paying too much to a few.
 
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