Twitter: Dallas finalizing deal with DE Everson Griffen

QuincyCarterEra · Aug 13, 2020

gimmesix said:
Numbers show that Carolina was quite a bit better when Poe was healthy and playing than without him. Also, McCoy, who cut his teeth as a 4-3 3-tech, was playing 3-4 DE a lot in the Panthers' scheme, so he was handling a lot of two-gap responsibilities instead of one-gapping, which is his strength.

Do you have those Poe numbers, or remember who posted them?

erod · Aug 13, 2020

gimmesix said:
One of the things I like about it most. When you are bringing in an unfamiliar FA, you don't know all of his warts. Edwards should have a really good idea of what Dallas is getting in Griffen. I know he has his issues, but I don't think he would be here if they extended to being a problem in the locker room or on the field.

Same reason they got Aldon Smith. Tomsula has a history with him.

gimmesix · Aug 13, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
Do you have those Poe numbers, or remember who posted them?

I can't remember who posted them, but I found this:

Both Gerald McCoy and Dontari Poe received much higher grades than the 2019 Cowboys’ starters, according to PFF. McCoy beat out Maliek Collins with 72.0 versus Collins’ 65.7. Poe’s 71.2 overall grade blew Antwaun Woods’ 56.9 out of the water. The real difference was in run defense where the duo of Collins-Woods averaged a 61.2, while McCoy-Poe averaged 73.6. The Cowboys new coaching staff has committed to fixing the run defense, which is line one in Defensive Football 101. Without question, the Cowboys have improved their defensive tackle situation with the signings of McCoy and Poe.

QuincyCarterEra · Aug 13, 2020

gimmesix said:
I can't remember who posted them, but I found this:

Both Gerald McCoy and Dontari Poe received much higher grades than the 2019 Cowboys’ starters, according to PFF. McCoy beat out Maliek Collins with 72.0 versus Collins’ 65.7. Poe’s 71.2 overall grade blew Antwaun Woods’ 56.9 out of the water. The real difference was in run defense where the duo of Collins-Woods averaged a 61.2, while McCoy-Poe averaged 73.6. The Cowboys new coaching staff has committed to fixing the run defense, which is line one in Defensive Football 101. Without question, the Cowboys have improved their defensive tackle situation with the signings of McCoy and Poe.

I don't agree with it, but I'll take it since you provided a source with substance.

Kudos.

Plankton · Aug 13, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
They could take him all through camp and cut him for the same cap savings bro.

With him being on the last year of his contract, so post June/pre June not being a factor there is no incentive to cut him until they have to. Make sure Aldon, Gregory(if reinstated), Anae all look up to snuff and then cut bait.
It's simple bro.

Only issue there is if he gets injured in camp, and ends up on IR. This would leave the Cowboys on the hook for his full salary.

Rayman70 · Aug 13, 2020

MyFairLady said:
Proven pass rusher on a 1 year 6 million dollar deal that's what I'm talking bout baby.

yup, and only 3 mil against this years cap if he misses his incentives. Extremely team friendly.

Loso86 · Aug 13, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
They could take him all through camp and cut him for the same cap savings bro.

With him being on the last year of his contract, so post June/pre June not being a factor there is no incentive to cut him until they have to. Make sure Aldon, Gregory(if reinstated), Anae all look up to snuff and then cut bait.
It's simple bro.

I agree bro, I'm just not worried about that situation until they are. Then when amd of they do cut him i know they have plans for that 8 or 9 mil. At this point behind the starters not too much h is known about the rotational peices

Dre11 · Aug 13, 2020

SeanLee50 said:
he is still highly productive. It’s not like Minnesota did not want to re-sign him. He simply left for more money, the market wasn’t what he thought. So here we are

he was productive last season, that doesn't mean he will be this season, we're yet again putting our hope im an older guy for cheap. at some point you have to solidify the position.

Dre11 · Aug 13, 2020

Kaiser said:
For sure we aren't getting either guy at their peak, but we are likely getting 2/3rds of their peak performance for 1/3rd of their peak salary. And both guys have quality depth backing them up, especially Griffin.

I get this, and it may be good for this year if they haven't fallen below 2/3rds of their peak by season start or during the season.

Kaiser · Aug 13, 2020

Dre11 said:
I get this, and it may be good for this year if they haven't fallen below 2/3rds of their peak by season start or during the season.

And for cap purposes we really aren't on the hook for any of the three new DL (or Clinton-Dix) past this year. Griffin is one year at 3 - 6MM, which is a steal.

Poe's contract has an out clause so they will either pay him 4.6MM for one year or 8.5MM for two years if they decide to keep him.

McCoy's contract is 3 years for 18MM, but it also has an out clause that can make it a one year deal for 6.3 Million if the team decides to go that way.

If the fates smile on our player development and we want to start guys like Gallimore, Hill, Aldon Smith, Gregory, etc, they will be able to do it without any cap problem.

Dre11 · Aug 13, 2020

Sydla said:
LOL. He was very good just last year. It's not like he was only good 5 years ago. He's been very good into his 30s.

And then let's look at the position he's going to play - RDE. On option is Tyrone Crawford, coming off injury, who isn't a very good DE to begin with. The other option at this point is Aldon Smith, who hasn't played a game in almost 5 years and is over 30 years. But apparently hoping he is what he was in San Fran half a decade ago is fine, but banking on Griffin being as good as he was just last year is a reach?

I am curious as to why you think our RDE spot was fine before Griffin.

I never said the RDE was fine, I've said my wish was for Clowney or I wanted the trade for Ngaoue. you also got me confused, I never said Aldon was going to be good, he's another hope and wish player. People say Clowney has motivation issue, but I'd still would've rather go with the younger more upside player who still have years left.

Dre11 · Aug 13, 2020

Kaiser said:
And for cap purposes we really aren't on the hook for any of the three new DL (or Clinton-Dix) past this year. Griffin is one year at 3 - 6MM, which is a steal.

Poe's contract has an out clause so they will either pay him 4.6MM for one year or 8.5MM for two years if they decide to keep him.

McCoy's contract is 3 years for 18MM, but it also has an out clause that can make it a one year deal for 6.3 Million if the team decides to go that way.

If the fates smile on our player development and we want to start guys like Gallimore, Hill, Aldon Smith, Gregory, etc, they will be able to do it without any cap problem.

which is could prevent an even bigger issue if the young players don't develop as you want them and the older guys either walk or het cut.

Kaiser · Aug 13, 2020

Dre11 said:
which is could prevent an even bigger issue if the young players don't develop as you want them and the older guys either walk or het cut.

Griffin is the only one on a one year deal, McCoy is under contract for three years and Poe for two. The vet DTs will be here in 2021 unless the team decides to cut them.

darthseinfeld · Aug 13, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
I love this signing but I wonder what it would have cost them to sign him to a 2 year deal. I feel like it would have been more effective to get his replacement next offseason but not be forced into it. Would he have signed for $18m over 2 years? I mean the money is there with a crawford cut. 1 year deals are nice but we don't even have his replacement on the roster.

He might not have signed for a 2 year deal.

But I see your point. We lucky with Quinn last year. We got lucky with Griffin this year. But at some point there may not be that cheap veteran tier 2 pass rusher to fill the position with. One way or the other Dallas is going to have to make a major move at the position at some point

Dre11 · Aug 13, 2020

Kaiser said:
Griffin is the only one on a one year deal, McCoy is under contract for three years and Poe for two. The vet DTs will be here in 2021 unless the team decides to cut them.

again, I get it, but you're talking McCoy on a three year deal if he has gas left. Poe has has been just a guy for a couple years now.

Canadian BoyzFan · Aug 13, 2020

Where are we at with the cap after this signing?

Frozen700 · Aug 13, 2020

Hawkeye0202 said:
can't help yourself huh. One of our best ( if not the best ) 2020 offseason signing and all you can think about is Dak. Get help.........please

Yeah it hurts doesn't it?

#DontpayDak

Kaiser · Aug 13, 2020

Dre11 said:
again, I get it, but you're talking McCoy on a three year deal if he has gas left. Poe has has been just a guy for a couple years now.

Sure, but I look it like both guys are at 75% of their peak at this point, but limiting their snaps to rotate in Woods, Gallimore, etc will let them play better in fewer snaps, plus play a longer career.

I just looked it up and last year McCoy averaged 44 snaps a game and Poe averaged 39 (in ten starts), I think both will improve if they play fewer snaps.

speedkilz88 · Aug 13, 2020

Kaiser said:
Sure, but I look it like both guys are at 75% of their peak at this point, but limiting their snaps to rotate in Woods, Gallimore, etc will let them play better in fewer snaps, plus play a longer career.

I just looked it up and last year McCoy averaged 44 snaps a game and Poe averaged 39 (in ten starts), I think both will improve if they play fewer snaps.

McCoy complained about not getting enough snaps at Carolina.

darthseinfeld · Aug 13, 2020

Dre11 said:
again, I get it, but you're talking McCoy on a three year deal if he has gas left. Poe has has been just a guy for a couple years now.

Poe actually had a very good year as a pass rusher last year. Would have had 7-8 sacks if he didnt get hurt

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