I think that we are set to finally see the potential of this team unleashed

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All signs are pointing toward Jerry having stepped back to let McC do his thing.

Yes, for those willing to see it.
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But, as you can see in post #92 above, people will try to convince themselves of anything, proof be damned.
 

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Moore.
Still doubting his ability to change up his tendencies enough to be effective.

I know everybody wants to point to Dak and his 5,000 yards as being a big improvement.
Which it was but with footnotes you have to understand as to why he got it.
Defenses were playing with 14pt+ leads early in games and played prevent defenses to protect leads.

Receivers were open and catches were made but scores were scarce. Zeke was often taken out of games by halftime as passing had to makeup then.
And let's understand how the NFL works. If you establish a certain strength one year like Dak and his 5000 yds..
they are going to dissect what you did and stop it and force you to change. People have a mental belief that once you do something well it will just carry over to the next season and be built on.

I find that rarely happens. Football is not linear. Things will change, teams adjust, guys get injured..guys that had a good year the next year don't.So I think this being Moore's 3rd year involved in the offense means he has a possibility he will be exposed more.

We shall see.

LOL .Where da hell are you getting this from ..? This sounds a Adventures Fantasy book made into a live film.
i would think you would at least check out the highlight -season videos yourself to see the reason Dak amassed almost 5,000 yd passing

- He did so with a renewed approach to the passing game,
- he did so because he himself has vastly improved his throwing mechanics and progression reads,
- he no longer just holds ball too long for sacks, it's quickly out of his throwing hand most times
- There was a stronger emphasis on pushing the ball vertically downfield, accumulating far more chunk yards in the passing game.
- There were far better route designs for the receivers in the pass game. it was schemed better that look like receivers
were always breaking free for more RAC (run-after-catches)
- There was a stronger emphasis on pre-snap motion and formations and quicker huddle pace to better confuse and exhaust
opposition defensive readings.

And while you;re talking about " points being scarce ", we were 6th in the NFL in scoring, averaging 27.1 points per game.
And where the heck are you getting this " Zeke taken out by halftime " ..from?

You're obviously not going by what you saw and observed, seems like you decided to just make some things up to
try to justify why Dak and the offense is overrated, as you see it.
 

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That makes zero sense.


Hold it........Pappy made that post. Never mind.

If one only had a brain ehhh ksk??
Basically it limits his contact with the team and its coaches esp on a daily level.
 

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LOL .Where da hell are you getting this from ..? This sounds a Adventures Fantasy book made into a live film.
i would think you would at least check out the highlight -season videos yourself to see the reason Dak amassed almost 5,000 yd passing

- He did so with a renewed approach to the passing game,
- he did so because he himself has vastly improved his throwing mechanics and progression reads,
- he no longer just holds ball too long for sacks, it's quickly out of his throwing hand most times
- There was a stronger emphasis on pushing the ball vertically downfield, accumulating far more chunk yards in the passing game.
- There were far better route designs for the receivers in the pass game. it was schemed better that look like receivers
were always breaking free for more RAC (run-after-catches)
- There was a stronger emphasis on pre-snap motion and formations and quicker huddle pace to better confuse and exhaust
opposition defensive readings.

And while you;re talking about " points being scarce ", we were 6th in the NFL in scoring, averaging 27.1 points per game.
And where the heck are you getting this " Zeke taken out by halftime " ..from?

You're obviously not going by what you saw and observed, seems like you decided to just make some things up to
try to justify why Dak and the offense is overrated, as you see it.
Nice. It wasn't the yardage that showed Dak's improvement, as you pointed out!!
 

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If one only had a brain ehhh ksk??
Basically it limits his contact with the team and its coaches esp daily.
Yup. That thought occurs to me every time I peruse one of your posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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LOL .Where da hell are you getting this from ..? This sounds a Adventures Fantasy book made into a live film.
i would think you would at least check out the highlight -season videos yourself to see the reason Dak amassed almost 5,000 yd passing

- He did so with a renewed approach to the passing game,
- he did so because he himself has vastly improved his throwing mechanics and progression reads,
- he no longer just holds ball too long for sacks, it's quickly out of his throwing hand most times
- There was a stronger emphasis on pushing the ball vertically downfield, accumulating far more chunk yards in the passing game.
- There were far better route designs for the receivers in the pass game. it was schemed better that look like receivers
were always breaking free for more RAC (run-after-catches)
- There was a stronger emphasis on pre-snap motion and formations and quicker huddle pace to better confuse and exhaust
opposition defensive readings.

And while you;re talking about " points being scarce ", we were 6th in the NFL in scoring, averaging 27.1 points per game.
And where the heck are you getting this " Zeke taken out by halftime " ..from?

You're obviously not going by what you saw and observed, seems like you decided to just make some things up to
try to justify why Dak and the offense is overrated, as you see it.

One concern that I do have, is how much did the now-departed Jon Kitna impact the improvements you mentioned?

I remember hearing exact quotes from him regarding things you said like 'pushing the ball vertically' and 'taking shots downfield' that Dak was hesitant in doing in prior years. And being more decisive and willing to rip it.

Swapping him out for Nussmeier is one of the few decisions that I question a bit.

I thought Kitna did a nice job and maybe deserved to stick around.
 

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I think Dak is highly capable up to a certain point but once that point is achieved, will that be enough to put this team over the hump? In my mind, that's what the FO has been contending up this point in time. I'm hoping this season will reveal something from him that we haven't seen in the past. He's at a stage where more progress is quite possible. Whether his being "elite" is truly destined to become undeniable is yet to be determined. It's a tossup, imho.
 
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LOL .Where da hell are you getting this from ..? This sounds a Adventures Fantasy book made into a live film.
i would think you would at least check out the highlight -season videos yourself to see the reason Dak amassed almost 5,000 yd passing

- He did so with a renewed approach to the passing game,
- he did so because he himself has vastly improved his throwing mechanics and progression reads,
- he no longer just holds ball too long for sacks, it's quickly out of his throwing hand most times
- There was a stronger emphasis on pushing the ball vertically downfield, accumulating far more chunk yards in the passing game.
- There were far better route designs for the receivers in the pass game. it was schemed better that look like receivers
were always breaking free for more RAC (run-after-catches)
- There was a stronger emphasis on pre-snap motion and formations and quicker huddle pace to better confuse and exhaust
opposition defensive readings.

And while you;re talking about " points being scarce ", we were 6th in the NFL in scoring, averaging 27.1 points per game.
And where the heck are you getting this " Zeke taken out by halftime " ..from?

You're obviously not going by what you saw and observed, seems like you decided to just make some things up to
try to justify why Dak and the offense is overrated, as you see it.
Win and loses.

I look at stats as something to check but not get amped up about unless you win.

And you can view all the improvements as evidence of progress..

but the final scores are all that matters.

Yes..Zeke was taken out of games as we fell behind over the course of the season. His play has been terrific..but he is not what he was.

My primary point is that there maybe a concern with Moore running the offense.

You want to turn my comments into another Dak thread.

Not my point. It's about the play calling and how Moore is going to keep Dak going and elevate things.

I just have my doubts. I will feel great if he can really put a clear spin on things so we can say..

"Moore..that guy is showing up as a coordinator".

So far for under Lineban.. crickets.

Under Garrett as OC..sigh.

Under Big Mike..I think it will improve but how much just remains to be seen. And if it does..is the improvement of Big Mike brought in going to be the difference?

Not so much Moore.

I was disappointed when McCarthy said when he arrived he was going to call the plays then kept Moore instead.

Whatever.

Somebody else mentioned Kitna not still being around. That is a good point.

In 2016 when Romo was still around, Dak really was impressive then he left and I thought having Rush was a real downgrade for Dak.

I also wonder about Dalton. Can he contribute to the offense in anyway? Dak could use a quality QB like Dalton down on the sidelines.

I hope he gets an opportunity to help the offense braintrust which should elevate #4.

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One concern that I do have, is how much did the now-departed Jon Kitna impact the improvements you mentioned?

I remember hearing exact quotes from him regarding things you said like 'pushing the ball vertically' and 'taking shots downfield' that Dak was hesitant in doing in prior years. And being more decisive and willing to rip it.

Swapping him out for Nussmeier is one of the few decisions that I question a bit.

I thought Kitna did a nice job and maybe deserved to stick around.

the reasons why i am optimistic that Dak's improved game works will continue:
the fundamental groundwork seemed it was already being set in place in '18 (even before Jon Kitna arrived in '19 off season)
with Dak's last 3 games of the season, (NYG, Seattle, rams)
for more than the better of the entire year, he was habitually holding the ball for uneccessary sacks, which were momentum killers,
but those last3 games, that drastically changed - he was much quicker in getting ball outta throwing hand and making quicker reads
where da hell was that all year ??!!

The Irony?
- while he was the TE coach, Doug Nussemeier also had considerable experience working with QBs (mostly in college)

- Moore didn't succeed at QB coach as Kitna did but is still highly thought of within team as a promising OC -designer than even Linehan, ..and something
happen with the involvement of those two youngsters that had an immediate on dak's improved game, what else can best explain Dak's sudden 3 game improvement at season's end in '18 ?

- The irony is those two very leftover assistants are still working under new HC McCarthy- that has to be a continuation of Dak off his
terrific 2019 season and the significant offensive improvements.

- Kitna played a huge part in personally working, individually to significantly improve dak's throwing mechanics -ala footwork, throwing motion, hip and weight transfer, ball grip, ball placement, etc etc. That foundation work and fundamentals that Kitna help place and laid out there, should and will still be there. Don't expect neither Kellen, Nussemeier nor McCarthy to drastically change that which is not broken.

- And you're right, it does indeed make a huge difference with who the coaches are.
i was slightly surprised they chose to let Kitna go, but i also thought it was a preference to have some remaining sources for dak
to continue. And that's where Moore and Nussemeier still come in at.
 

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The great McCarthy has a worse overall record than Garrett since 2012 despite having a HOF QB in his prime. Since 2014, Garrett himself rebounded from every mediocre odd year with an average of 12 wins and a divisional playoff game. That means for the Fat Man to have any noticeable impact, he needs to make the championship game... and some of you are going to be extremely disappointed when that doesn’t happen. Not because the team didn’t make it, but because you’ll finally realize you have no idea what’s going on.
The Order of My Ractions....

FIRST..........:huh::facepalm::thumbdown:
SECOND.........:laugh::lmao::lmao2:
 

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Brain dead reactions are usually what I expect from the likes of trolls like you when you don’t have a coherent response. Back under the rock you go with your hero trasheroo.

Speaking of 'crawling out from under rocks', go stand in front of a reflective surface and ponder on your clearly miserable excuse for a life.

When everyone thinks you're a jerk, you are.

It's not 'everybody else', it's you.
 

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Speaking of 'crawling out from under rocks', go stand in front of a reflective surface and ponder on your clearly miserable excuse for a life.

When everyone thinks you're a jerk, you are.

It's not 'everybody else', it's you.
How do we measure this exactly? Likes? ‘Cause you ain’t doing so hot there yourself. LOL
You should probably spare us your sanctimonious nonsense and start searching for the rock you’re going to hide under when your dopey football takes don’t come true. Because they never do.
 

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Brain dead reactions are usually what I expect from the likes of trolls like you when you don’t have a coherent response. Back under the rock you go with your hero trasheroo.
Just tell everybody your Judd Garrett and get it over with. We know who you are anyway, Judd.
 

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How do we measure this exactly? Likes? ‘Cause you ain’t doing so hot there yourself. LOL

How about dislikes? As in the fact that nobody likes you at all? Or the fact that you do nothing but bring ill-will and have arguments with anyone and everyone that you can?


You should probably spare us your sanctimonious nonsense and start searching for the rock you’re going to hide under when your dopey football takes don’t come true. Because they never do.

I'll match my record against yours any day big mouth. You're nothing but talk, with zero substance behind any of it.

And check yourself for that 'sanctimonious' part. Nobody does ***hole better than you.
 

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Win and loses.
I look at stats as something to check but not get amped up about unless you win
.

And you can view all the improvements as evidence of progress..
but the final scores are all that matters.
Yes..Zeke was taken out of games as we fell behind over the course of the season. His play has been terrific..but he is not what he was.
My primary point is that there maybe a concern with Moore running the offense.

You want to turn my comments into another Dak thread.
Not my point. It's about the play calling and how Moore is going to keep Dak going and elevate things.
I just have my doubts. I will feel great if he can really put a clear spin on things so we can say..
"Moore..that guy is showing up as a coordinator".

So far for under Lineban.. crickets.
Under Garrett as OC..sigh.
Under Big Mike..I think it will improve but how much just remains to be seen. And if it does..is the improvement of Big Mike brought in going to be the difference?
Not so much Moore.

I was disappointed when McCarthy said when he arrived he was going to call the plays then kept Moore instead.
Whatever.

Somebody else mentioned Kitna not still being around. That is a good point.
In 2016 when Romo was still around, Dak really was impressive then he left and I thought having Rush was a real downgrade for Dak.
I also wonder about Dalton. Can he contribute to the offense in anyway? Dak could use a quality QB like Dalton down on the sidelines.
I hope he gets an opportunity to help the offense braintrust which should elevate #4.

:thumbup:

yeh unfortunately that tells me that you either are not watching the game of football for your own eyeball test, to see for yourself what is actions are transpiring on the actually playing field or you're being too clueless in what is actually going on the field. And if you're a football purist, you evaluate the team based on Wins and Losses , with the head coach, the front office, the defense, the special teams, the entire body of work and overall , and amass that into what was the cause(s) for losses and a non-playoff bid.

- what coaches best placed players in the best positions to succeed, and what coaches failed in that aspect. what coaches (and HC's)
failed to extract a successful plan and those that simply did not adapt and adjust on the move that helped trigger the losses ?

And you keep talkn' about how "Zeke was taken out of games,..halftime, blah blah "
If anything, he would be kept on the field because of his much needed and valued ability to blitz-block.

And you know he wasn't subbed very much, as Pollard got bare minimal carries -touches ( every 3rd series of games, if that)
as to which there was a couple of games Pollard either barely subbed on field or didn't even get on the field.

Heck if anything there was too many instances where Zeke himself was mysteriously tapping to come off the field -for a couple of
plays and oddly in some red zone territory instances of all things.

- scrub QBs' like Cooper Rush do not have anything to do with Dak's productive decline nor success, ditto for the departure of butt-fumble Mark Sanchez.
Dalton helps dak as a physically qualified experienced backup should Dak himself get seriously hurt in a game - that's his value.
Dak has already allevated his game, with experience and his knack for the game to where he is not dependant reliant on any backup
QBs.
 

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Well I'm hoping Jerry's new focus on defense pays off,,, could of used it about 5 years ago, but hey, whatever. I guess he was still hoping his boy Marinelli could turn things around.
How long will people keep referencing Jerry with regards to football decisions...

Everything about the 2020 Cowboys points to Stephen Jones having put the team together.

SJ clearly pushed Garrett out and hired McCarthy. Jerry would have given Garrett a new contract. That seems obvious based on how much Jerry struggled in those days after the season before Garrett's contract was officially over.

SJ has done all of the contract negotiations. DLaw's agent only met Jerry once (per the agent on the radio).
 
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