Am I the only one who thinks Dalton gets at least one start this year?

CowboysFaninHouston · Sep 8, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
Dak is a need to be carried QB and once the defense plays STOP Zeke that's when Prescott starts imploding and we start losing.
They dare Dak to beat them with his arm knowing he lacks the talents to do so....and they are usually correct.
Now how did you enjoy getting our a@@@@ handed to us by teams with winning records?
P.S. You sure the Cowboys glory is your first priority????

dak is making 31M this season. he will make at least 38 next year...

I bet that hurts you a lot.... A LOT :lmao2:

CowboysFaninHouston · Sep 8, 2020

TwentyOne said:
Idk if the team is better with dalton.

But it for sure is not worse.

DandyDon52 · Sep 9, 2020

PJTHEDOORS said:
Does that apply to Staubach and Aikman too, because they also played on loaded teams, not just Dak.

yes they were both on good talented teams with good coaches.

SteveTheCowboy · Sep 9, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
I get that but there are seldom games where we have a big lead, most of our games come down the final mins of the 4th qrt. Dalton has been getting in ample work with the WR we have, really not concerned of him having timing with WR or TE. I don't think there is anything a defense can throw at Dalton that he has not seen before given the fact he has been in the league this long. Clearly if Dak is injured Dalton will be getting starters reps through out the week so again not really worried about Dalton being ready if need be. I was more concerned with Cooper Rush than I am with Andy Dalton

I don;t think Cooper got a fair shake...but I totally agree what you're saying.

gjkoeppen · Sep 9, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
I don;t think Cooper got a fair shake...but I totally agree what you're saying.

Rush was cut for the second time this year with the giants cut down to 53 man roster.
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TwentyOne · Sep 9, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
dak is making 31M this season. he will make at least 38 next year...

I bet that hurts you a lot.... A LOT

Still this does not change what he said.

So are you laughing because you know your argument did not do anything or are you laughing because you are missing the point at all ?

Bobhaze · Sep 9, 2020

Jake said:
I think some folks here haven't really seen Andy Dalton play in years. They hear "Bengals" and just decide his supporting cast held him back. He actually had a good team around him for years, made the playoffs five times, and he stunk in every playoff game.

The NFL is a QB-driven league. A veteran like Dalton gets dumped and has to settle for a back up gig for a reason. Just because you've never seen him fail with a star on his helmet does not mean that he will succeed.

This! Well said sir.

Andy Dalton is a backup QB for a very good reason. Yeah, Dalton is a good QB. But it wasn’t just “our good luck” that allowed Dalton to land here for a price well below what starting QBs make in this league. He is a backup because all the other teams needing a starter passed.

I don’t mean to disparage him because I’m glad he’s our backup, but the suggestion that Andy Dalton is a future starter here over Dak is crazy. It reminds me a little of the calls for Steve Walsh or Steve Buerliein over Troy Aikman back in 90 and 91, before Troy broke out. I’m not saying Dak is a HOFer, but I am saying is a lot better than Andy Dalton.

Scotman · Sep 9, 2020

DuncanIso said:
pro football reference

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaltAn00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm

This is your evidence that their stats are about the same?

According to what you've posted, Dak has only thrown for less than a 65% completion rate in a year once. Andy has only thrown over than percentage once. Andy has only beat Dak's worst completion percentage year 3 times in 10 years. Dak's TD to INT ratio is about 2.7 to 1. Andy's is about 1.7 to 1. In fact, Dak's interception percentage is only 1.7% per attempt and Andy's is a full percentage point higher. Dak has thrown for a full half a yard more for every attempt in his career over Dalton. Game winning percentage isn't even close. QB rating isn't close. Almost NONE of it is close...or even remotely close.

With ONE exception.

BOTH Dak and Andy have rushed for 1221 yards in their careers. Andy has 22 TD's rushing compared to Dak's 21. Now, keep in mind it took Andy 10 years and 394 rushes to do what Dak has done in 4 years and 241 rushes.

Their stats are in no way similar. Not even close. The stats you linked point to Dak being the better QB at virtually every measurable. Better throwing the ball. Better at game winning drives. FAR better in the playoffs. Better at advancing the ball running when a play breaks down.

We are REALLY lucky to have Andy as our #2. REALLY lucky. In fact, I hope he likes his situation enough to finish out his career here. We may have the best back-up in the league. He's smart, team-friendly, consistent and more than capable of winning with this team. But, he's a back-up to a better QB.

SteveTheCowboy · Sep 9, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
Rush was cut for the second time this year with the giants cut down to 53 man roster.
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That's cool. It's fine with me if he wasn't very good. I just never got to see it. I didn't trust our former coaches very much in anything.

Oh wait....the guy that kept Cooper hidden is a Giant now..who helped cut Cooper. Well..imagine that.

Have to admit I probably just like him for the name only.

SackMaster · Sep 9, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
Take dak back in time and put him on those cin teams, and he probably doesnt do any better than dalton.

I completely disagree. I can't say whether or not the Bengals would have won any of those playoff games under Dak, but unlike Dalton, Dak is not nearly as prone to throwing interceptions as Dalton is. In fact, AJ McCarron is probably the best playoff QB that the Bengals had during Dalton's time as the Bengals were able to score 16 points in their 2015 playoff game against the Steelers with AJ leading the way.

DandyDon52 said:
He played for marvin who was actually worse than JG.

While I would not want Marvin Lewis as the HC of my team, compared to Garrett he was darn near Vince Lombardi. Atleast Lewis EARNED his way to being a Head Coach by being a good COACH and not a "friend of the family" / "illegitimate son".

DandyDon52 said:
Dalton has never played for MM or the Cowboys, so no telling what he could or would do.
We will find out only if Dak cant play for some reason.
Judging players for what they did on another team is quite silly.

The only sentence above that makes sense is the the only way we will find out is if Dak can't play for whatever reason.

But players are ALWAYS judged off of what they did on OTHER teams before they join a new team. That is hardly anything new and/or special.

So to sit here and cry about how it is "not fair" or "silly" that Dalton is judged as a turnover, mistake prone, chokes in big game QB is a complete validation of ignorance.

But hey, Dalton could be great in Dallas under MM. I would not bet on it though as that would be akin to pissing into the wind, during a hurricane, hoping not to get wet.
:thumbup:

jaybird · Sep 9, 2020

grgnfg420 said:
Am I the only one who thinks he gets at least one start this year? You know the media is waiting to jump on this one as soon as dak begins to underperform... and I hate to say it but I think this current team could play better with a healthy Andy dalton... maybe I’m just crazy but I think dak is what is holding this offense back at times. Do I think dalton is the answer no... but I think his play style might fit this offense better.

Good to be back boys! It’s been a while!

The last game of the season because we have home field advantage all wrapped up

SteveTheCowboy · Sep 9, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
yes they were both on good talented teams with good coaches.

I think it could be hard to argue this. Some of his receivers did a great job of going to get the ball.
However.....Dak has had 4 #1 picks on his offense for 3 years. Five for a year and a half (cooper was pretty high #1). Can you say the same for Andy?

Before I put much stock in your claim...I'd need to see some quantitative data. And how do you compare that data? Very difficult....imho.

In the end....it doesn't even matter.

We have our team...let's leave this silliness and let's go play some football!

shabazz · Sep 9, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
dak is making 31M this season. he will make at least 38 next year...

I bet that hurts you a lot.... A LOT

If this "commercial-making wad of mediocrity" is making 38Mil and still on this team, his teammates and fans will all be hurting.........but not to worry, he wont be here. McCarthy wont let it happen.

johneric8 · Sep 9, 2020

grgnfg420 said:
Am I the only one who thinks he gets at least one start this year? You know the media is waiting to jump on this one as soon as dak begins to underperform... and I hate to say it but I think this current team could play better with a healthy Andy dalton... maybe I’m just crazy but I think dak is what is holding this offense back at times. Do I think dalton is the answer no... but I think his play style might fit this offense better.

Good to be back boys! It’s been a while!

Thanks for posting and reminding me how smart I am.

The shadows call your name

CowboysFaninHouston · Sep 9, 2020

TwentyOne said:
Still this does not change what he said.

So are you laughing because you know your argument did not do anything or are you laughing because you are missing the point at all ?

what he said is false and its funny.

given nfl executives, analysts, former players, experts, GMs, coaches, rank Dak among the best, yet a message board troll, looking for attention should be taken seriously...oooookkkk. again, what he said was absolute stuupidity. he is a known troll and a village idiiot.

plus, I gave this little doucche a chance. if he is wrong, then come forth and eat crow. if I am wrong, then I will eat crow...he ran like a little girl screaming. which shows he doesn't even believe in what he says....he is a troll

CowboysFaninHouston · Sep 9, 2020

Scotman said:
This is your evidence that their stats are about the same?

According to what you've posted, Dak has only thrown for less than a 65% completion rate in a year once. Andy has only thrown over than percentage once. Andy has only beat Dak's worst completion percentage year 3 times in 10 years. Dak's TD to INT ratio is about 2.7 to 1. Andy's is about 1.7 to 1. In fact, Dak's interception percentage is only 1.7% per attempt and Andy's is a full percentage point higher. Dak has thrown for a full half a yard more for every attempt in his career over Dalton. Game winning percentage isn't even close. QB rating isn't close. Almost NONE of it is close...or even remotely close.

With ONE exception.

BOTH Dak and Andy have rushed for 1221 yards in their careers. Andy has 22 TD's rushing compared to Dak's 21. Now, keep in mind it took Andy 10 years and 394 rushes to do what Dak has done in 4 years and 241 rushes.

Their stats are in no way similar. Not even close. The stats you linked point to Dak being the better QB at virtually every measurable. Better throwing the ball. Better at game winning drives. FAR better in the playoffs. Better at advancing the ball running when a play breaks down.

We are REALLY lucky to have Andy as our #2. REALLY lucky. In fact, I hope he likes his situation enough to finish out his career here. We may have the best back-up in the league. He's smart, team-friendly, consistent and more than capable of winning with this team. But, he's a back-up to a better QB.

people who think Dalton is better than Dak is down right stuupid. no other explanation.

CowboyRoy · Sep 9, 2020

grgnfg420 said:
Am I the only one who thinks he gets at least one start this year? You know the media is waiting to jump on this one as soon as dak begins to underperform... and I hate to say it but I think this current team could play better with a healthy Andy dalton... maybe I’m just crazy but I think dak is what is holding this offense back at times. Do I think dalton is the answer no... but I think his play style might fit this offense better.

Good to be back boys! It’s been a while!

based on the current state of the oline, he may get a start sooner than you think.

CowboysFaninHouston · Sep 9, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
I think it could be hard to argue this. Some of his receivers did a great job of going to get the ball.
However.....Dak has had 4 #1 picks on his offense for 3 years. Five for a year and a half (cooper was pretty high #1). Can you say the same for Andy?

Before I put much stock in your claim...I'd need to see some quantitative data. And how do you compare that data? Very difficult....imho.

In the end....it doesn't even matter.

We have our team...let's leave this silliness and let's go play some football!

and all Dak did once he got some talent around him is lead the offense to #1 in the NFL. no QB, not even Brady or Brees does it on their own. they need talent around them and its what you do and accomplish once you have talent around you.

Dalton's time has come and gone. he was an average QB. he had some talent around him, he choked in big games, the biggest games of his career he had his worst performances. now, he is close to being washed up. he is a back up and will be a bridge QB to the next QB for some team. he is nothing but a footnote in NFL archives. no one will remember him 10 years from now. just like most fans don't remember any of the average QBs from 10 years ago.

CowboysFaninHouston · Sep 9, 2020

shabazz said:
If this "commercial-making wad of mediocrity" is making 38Mil and still on this team, his teammates and fans will all be hurting.........but not to worry, he wont be here. McCarthy wont let it happen.

keep telling yourself that and some day you may actually believe it just a little bit. you are a sad sad troll...what a loser

SackMaster · Sep 9, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
I think it could be hard to argue this. Some of his receivers did a great job of going to get the ball.
However.....Dak has had 4 #1 picks on his offense for 3 years. Five for a year and a half (cooper was pretty high #1). Can you say the same for Andy?

Before I put much stock in your claim...I'd need to see some quantitative data. And how do you compare that data? Very difficult....imho.

In the end....it doesn't even matter.

We have our team...let's leave this silliness and let's go play some football!

#1 picks Dalton played with in Cincy:

WR AJ Green, #4 overall pick 2011 (the same year as Dalton)
OT Andre Smith, #9 overall pick 2009
TE Jermaine Grisham, #21 overall pick 2010
TE Tyler Eifert, #21 overall pick 2013
OT Cedric Ogbuehi, #21 overall pick 2015
OG Kevin Zeitler, #27 overall pick 2012

All the above guys were drafted in the 1st Round by Cincy and played a MINIMUM of 4 years with Dalton. Outside of Grisham and Ogbuehi, all played together at the same time in Cincy too.

So Dalton has ALWAYS had a #1 WR, at least a very good TE, long with top picks across the Offensive Line.

But ya, let's keep up with the narrative that ONLY DAK ever played with multiple 1st Round picks on offense and is the ONLY QB in NFL History that needed help from his team to win.
:facepalm:

Am I the only one who thinks Dalton gets at least one start this year?

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