What you will see is Gallup extending his arm about 90% but not fully. Then you see separation, but that could also be because Ramsey let's go of Gallup's arm.
Where does the rulebook say 100% needs to be necessary. All they need to notice is if the action creates the separation. Gallup did clearly push and despite the acting job by Ramsey, it did effectively create separation. Ramsey also didn't have Gallup's arm locked up and Gallup could have done an underhanded swim move to free his other hand to get in position to make the catch like I mentioned in the other thread.
Yeah, we are not going to see this the same way, but clearly Ramsey has his arm inside Gallup's and is pushing against Gallup's bicep to try to keep him from getting his arm out in front of him. It hard to run full speed when you are pushing on a guys arm like that. It also slows Gallup down - and Ramsey too. My point is that this play is not obvious, is not called consistently and in most cases is not called at all. I am not faulting the refs from calling it. I fault them for the BS excuse and explanation after the game.
Where does the rulebook say 100% needs to be necessary. All they need to notice is if the action creates the separation. Gallup did clearly push and despite the acting job by Ramsey, it did effectively create separation. Ramsey also didn't have Gallup's arm locked up and Gallup could have done an underhanded swim move to free his other hand to get in position to make the catch like I mentioned in the other thread.
Then who do you call the penalty on? Both players were hand-checking. There is no question that Ramsey was using his arm to try to pin Gallop's arm so he couldn't catch the ball. Happens all the time and commentators will refer to it as "good technique".I WR then uses his hands to impede the DB from doing this. It's called "hand-checking" and it happens all the time. Sometimes a DB can lose a step in this process and that's what happened here. When Ramsey realized he was beaten he "flopped" to make it look like Gallop had shoved his body to gain separation (when in reality, he lost the "hand-check" battle).It looks like PI to me.
In my book, DBs and WRs should never be touching each other past the five yard mark until the ball arrives. Call me old school or whatever but that's how I see it.
Then who do you call the penalty on? Both players were hand-checking. There is no question that Ramsey was using his arm to try to pin Gallop's arm so he couldn't catch the ball. Happens all the time and commentators will refer to it as "good technique".I WR then uses his hands to impede the DB from doing this. It's called "hand-checking" and it happens all the time. Sometimes a DB can lose a step in this process and that's what happened here. When Ramsey realized he was beaten he "flopped" to make it look like Gallop had shoved his body to gain separation (when in reality, he lost the "hand-check" battle).
As I've mentioned in other threads, Ramsey's reaction was delayed and exaggerated. Replay at no time shows Gallop touching Ramsey's torso, which is what OPI is virtually always called for (not "hand-checking"). Bad call..
Please note: I didn't say that Gallup did not touch Ramsey. I just said he did not touch his TORSO (AKA Chest, shoulders, stomach area etc.) This is what normally triggers OPI calls, as the WR fully extends his arms ro push a DB on their torso.
What was actually happening is hand-checking (in other words, Ramsey was initiating contact with Gallup and Gallup was using his hands to clear Ramsey's hands and arms.
So, are you saying that Ramsey was not using his hands and arms on Gallup?
Again, the call was made because of Ramsey's reaction, bot because the ref actually saw Gallop push Ramsey's body to make room to catch the ball. That didn't happen.
As I answered you in the other thread. How you don't see Gallup touching (even initiating contract with) Ramsey is beyond me:
What do you call the area just south of the shoulder area? Because that is what Gallup was touching the whole way and does shove a bit to clear space. That would be called the torso.
That's not what happened. In this GIF, Ramsey doesn't even put his hand on Gallup until after Gallup is ALREADY touching him just below the shoulder area (torso, to the layperson) as the GIF begins. Even then, Ramsey doesn't lock up Gallup's arm so Gallup could have done the underhand swim move to free both hands for the catch.
After initial contact by Gallup he did. He has the right not to run and get pushed the whole way. Hand-checking as you say.
It did happen. Again, you're seeing what you want to see. Gallup's left arm is bent while touching Ramsey the whole way and even initiated the contact if this GIF is to be believed. Then, before disengaging, Gallup straightens his arm to provide the push to gain separation which is how he got into the clear.
Does Gallup's arm go from bent at the elbow to straight just before disengaging with Ramsey whom he was touching the whole way and initiating contact per this video? (Please watch the replay carefully).
Yeah, we are not going to see this the same way, but clearly Ramsey has his arm inside Gallup's and is pushing against Gallup's bicep to try to keep him from getting his arm out in front of him. It hard to run full speed when you are pushing on a guys arm like that. It also slows Gallup down - and Ramsey too. My point is that this play is not obvious, is not called consistently and in most cases is not called at all. I am not faulting the refs from calling it. I fault them for the BS excuse and explanation after the game.
I disagree completely. Gallup can have his hand on Ramsey. That aspect was far less egregious than the hook to ****** Gallup's hand from getting into the pass catching position. In any event Ramsey was beaten and would not have made a play on the ball other than to attempt to knock it out of Gallup's hands.
Frankly, I think you are seeing what you want to see.
As I answered you in the other thread. How you don't see Gallup touching (even initiating contract with) Ramsey is beyond me:
What do you call the area just south of the shoulder area? Because that is what Gallup was touching the whole way and does shove a bit to clear space. That would be called the torso.
That's not what happened. In this GIF, Ramsey doesn't even put his hand on Gallup until after Gallup is ALREADY touching him just below the shoulder area (torso, to the layperson) as the GIF begins. Even then, Ramsey doesn't lock up Gallup's arm so Gallup could have done the underhand swim move to free both hands for the catch.
After initial contact by Gallup he did. He has the right not to run and get pushed the whole way. Hand-checking as you say.
It did happen. Again, you're seeing what you want to see. Gallup's left arm is bent while touching Ramsey the whole way and even initiated the contact if this GIF is to be believed. Then, before disengaging, Gallup straightens his arm to provide the push to gain separation which is how he got into the clear.
Does Gallup's arm go from bent at the elbow to straight just before disengaging with Ramsey whom he was touching the whole way and initiating contact per this video? (Please watch the replay carefully).
As I answered you in the other thread. How you don't see Gallup touching (even initiating contract with) Ramsey is beyond me:
What do you call the area just south of the shoulder area? Because that is what Gallup was touching the whole way and does shove a bit to clear space. That would be called the torso.
That's not what happened. In this GIF, Ramsey doesn't even put his hand on Gallup until after Gallup is ALREADY touching him just below the shoulder area (torso, to the layperson) as the GIF begins. Even then, Ramsey doesn't lock up Gallup's arm so Gallup could have done the underhand swim move to free both hands for the catch.
After initial contact by Gallup he did. He has the right not to run and get pushed the whole way. Hand-checking as you say.
It did happen. Again, you're seeing what you want to see. Gallup's left arm is bent while touching Ramsey the whole way and even initiated the contact if this GIF is to be believed. Then, before disengaging, Gallup straightens his arm to provide the push to gain separation which is how he got into the clear.
Does Gallup's arm go from bent at the elbow to straight just before disengaging with Ramsey whom he was touching the whole way and initiating contact per this video? (Please watch the replay carefully).
Of course Gallup can have his hand on Ramsey. He just can't push off to gain separation which he clearly did. It's simple. His arm was bent, wasn't pinned, locked or hooked by Ramsey (evident in that Gallup could have also done a swim move to better position that hand), and then his arm goes straight to push off in disengaging. Debatable if that was "enough" of a push off but why leave it to chance? If Ramsey was beat there was no need to do that. Do a swim move or leap above Ramsey. Either one could have gotten that done.