Why did we bring MM in?

Hawkeye0202

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Short training camp with no preseason might have something to do with it, but I agree the offense looked pretty vanilla and very much like what we've seen the last number of years.[/QUOTE

+1...... No question in my mind IF MM doesn't like what he's seeing in KM, we'll see changes. Again, it's just the first game, let's give KM a couple more.
 

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"I never believed that for one second. If McCarthy spent his year off watching film like he said he did.."

McCarthy admitted he lied to Jerry about that months ago, so I guess now he'll spend this year watching the games, to get back to "NFL mode".

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I mean for the life of me I cannot understand why we brought MM in only to leave the offense alone and not inject any of his WC style into it? Going into this game I fully expected our offense to look like what the Rams played. Especially given the rookie starting at tackle. Instead we continued plays that required time to develop. Where as the Rams totally neutralized our pass rush with their offensive play calling ours played right into their DL's strength.

I have to hope at some point the light comes on and KM gets it or MM simply takes over the play calling duties because it is crystal clear the current KM offense isn't going to work against solid defensive teams. I had such high hopes for Dak in a WC offense it is so disappointing to see us basically running the same offense we have for the last 5 years.

Probably because they didn't have enough time to prepare. I'm hoping that changes as the season goes on. Because that offense isn't taken us too far.
 

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Not really unexpected, rumors were that Garrett held Moore back with a desire, or wish or direction to have conservative play calling. To think MM would come in here, with one limited off season, with no preseason and transform the offense to the SB-winning Rams offense is unrealistic.
Look at it this way - what if Moore didn't get to run the plays the way he wanted under Garrett, why wouldn't McCarthy sit back and watch what Moore does "unfettered"? It might be one of the best offenses ever seen, remember he didn't get to see Moore call any preseason games, discussions, etc. can only tell you so much.

Well now he's seen "Moore's offense", and it wasn't very good, very imaginative or very different that what he saw in 2019. Is one game enough for MM to "take over" the offense?
We don't know, maybe even MM doesn't know. He might wait another game and take it over, might have a review of game film and make slight changes, or any of another number of scenarios.

It is a long season, since the only really supposed contender for the division title, the Iggles, lost as well, and the Giants also lost this loss isn't a big deal as far as the whole season goes.

Now am I optimistic as to the rest of the season? Not on your life, and that's not even considering that we lost 3 starters in the game, all for at least a few weeks, and I suspect more like half the season for two of them.

Just saying while it looked like more of the same, like the last few years, it won't necessarily be that way for the rest of the season. Doesn't change my attitude, it's still "show me"/"wait and see", not optimism, not pessimism, no real feelings one way or the other...

Nice post!
 

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To me it was just the NFL doing what it does and that's getting one of their good ole boys back in the league.

I wasn't buying the Peter King fluff piece. I feel like McCarthy knows that saying "Analytics" is a buzz word and will make him seem trendy.

I really hope i'm wrong though.
I think it was Jerry that decided who to hire, not the NFL. Besides, 23 of the 32 head coaches were never a head coach with another NFL team, so it's not as if hiring retreads is the norm. Certainly hiring a coach that has won a Super Bowl shouldn't be viewed as suspect.
 

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I think it was Jerry that decided who to hire, not the NFL. Besides, 23 of the 32 head coaches were never a head coach with another NFL team, so it's not as if hiring retreads is the norm. Certainly hiring a coach that has won a Super Bowl shouldn't be viewed as suspect.


Jerry and Stephen identify with the old NFL.


If it were me I would’ve been all in on Lincoln Riley.

If it failed then whatever but McCarthy was the safe play and after 1 week I’m worried the scheme is just going to be the same and the Garrett defenders will just keep blaming the players because McCarthy Is getting the same results.
 

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Possibly, without offseason maybe McCarthy is going to bring it along slowly. Add more things each week or he is letting Moore do his thing and after a couple weeks if nothing changes, McCarthy will take over playcalling.

It's week 1 without preseason so I'm willing to give it a few games before I say it was a mistake. Even so, new coaches need more than 1 year to get the team the way they want
 

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MM is the one who decided to keep Moore

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That’s hilarious...I hope you don’t really believe it.
 

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Jerry and Stephen identify with the old NFL.


If it were me I would’ve been all in on Lincoln Riley.

If it failed then whatever but McCarthy was the safe play and after 1 week I’m worried the scheme is just going to be the same and the Garrett defenders will just keep blaming the players because McCarthy Is getting the same results.

I don't know - Jerry typically likes to be seen as a man with a vision, so if he thinks a young or new person can do the job he often will go that route so he can get credit for making a move others didn't. And really, 5 of his 8 head coaches were not former head coaches, and 2 of the 3 that were had won Super Bowls. Even the third made some sense (Phillips) because they had just transitioned to a 3-4 defense, and Phillips ad considerable success coaching 3-4 defense. Unfortunately as a head coach rather than a coordinator Phillips reached his level of incompetence.

Lincoln Riley's name was bandied about quite a bit last year, but I'm not convinced Riley wants to leave Oklahoma, Realistically he can make as much money at Oklahoma, the job security is much better, and he doesn't have to cater to spoiled multi-millionaires.
 

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I don't know - Jerry typically likes to be seen as a man with a vision, so if he thinks a young or new person can do the job he often will go that route so he can get credit for making a move others didn't. And really, 5 of his 8 head coaches were not former head coaches, and 2 of the 3 that were had won Super Bowls. Even the third made some sense (Phillips) because they had just transitioned to a 3-4 defense, and Phillips ad considerable success coaching 3-4 defense. Unfortunately as a head coach rather than a coordinator Phillips reached his level of incompetence.

Lincoln Riley's name was bandied about quite a bit last year, but I'm not convinced Riley wants to leave Oklahoma, Realistically he can make as much money at Oklahoma, the job security is much better, and he doesn't have to cater to spoiled multi-millionaires.


He’s got a cushy job at OU but all of these coaches have gigantic ego’s and there is no better team in sports to scratch your ego than the Dallas Cowboys.
 

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They brought in an experienced HC as opposed to a Lincoln Riley because they thought their roster was ready to win.

I guess so more so than not, but the Joneses have made a career out of overestimating the players they have on hand.
 

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He’s got a cushy job at OU but all of these coaches have gigantic ego’s and there is no better team in sports to scratch your ego than the Dallas Cowboys.
Fair point. Ego has driven more than one coach into it, and who knows, maybe he feels he has enough money already so that with whatever he makes for however long he would last in the NFL, that would be enough for him not to worry about job stability. Hard to know his mindset, but I do think it's wrong to simply assume he would leave Oklahoma. For all we know Jerry had conversations with him. I may be wrong, but it seems a year or so ago there was a story that Riley had visited with Jerry.
 

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Also, there had better be more coming than this on offense, because if they are seriously intending to roll with exactly what we saw last year...not gonna work.

I suppose that may be the point of this thread.
 
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all I know is that I didn't see anything Sunday that would make me feel good about the MM hire. Not a single thing. He's supposed to put Dak in a position to succeed (if that's possible) and I didn't see anything different.
 

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I mean for the life of me I cannot understand why we brought MM in only to leave the offense alone and not inject any of his WC style into it? Going into this game I fully expected our offense to look like what the Rams played. Especially given the rookie starting at tackle. Instead we continued plays that required time to develop. Where as the Rams totally neutralized our pass rush with their offensive play calling ours played right into their DL's strength.

I have to hope at some point the light comes on and KM gets it or MM simply takes over the play calling duties because it is crystal clear the current KM offense isn't going to work against solid defensive teams. I had such high hopes for Dak in a WC offense it is so disappointing to see us basically running the same offense we have for the last 5 years.

Well, it's not like a lot of posters didn't try to tell everybody this. Dak doesn't fit what McCarthy's Offense has done in the past. But to be fair, it's also not like McCarthy and his staff had much opportunity to change things either. Dak was not signed, he wasn't attending a lot of team events in the Off Season. There was no real Off Season like there has been in years past. There was no opportunity to really work on new scheme and there was no Pre-Season. I think it's a bit premature to conclude that no changes will take place. I just think that this was a bad year to try and have any of that take place. It's also why I have always thought the Cowboys would be a .500 team this season.

JMO
 

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They brought a veteran HC in for just this type situation. Give him a chance.

They're lost their MLB and TE and RT and the OL played poorly and they've got as good a passing game as there is coming in Sunday.
 

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I think it was Jerry's idea to keep KM and pawned it onto MM. And if that's the case, it's an epic mistake.
 
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