Official rant on Dak thread

InTheZone · Sep 16, 2020

OmerV said:
Of course you ignored it because your post indicated the lower completion % was all on Dak making bad throws, and did not mention any other factor. That fits the definition of ignore exactly.

I'm not going to do a thorough breakdown on every factor involved on every given play for the entire 2nd half.

OmerV · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyoWales said:
The very excuses you just made O-line and 1st half defense.

Ok, if he had a strong game then we, as a team, just arent good enough to beat mediocre teams like the Rams and brings into question whether we should strengthen the team rather than pay Dak the $40m.

Strong, but he's not elite, why spend $40m on a bus driver when we can pick one up much cheaper....possibly one that can overcome our ineffective O-Line.

Why isn't Dak an excuse for the O-Line & defense? Why is that a one way street? Is it because it doesn't fit your narrative to look at all angles?

Clearly, and unquestionably, wins and losses, are not only about the QB. But it apparently doesn't support the right narrative to acknowledge that.

A fair minded person would accept that the QB bears a portion of the blame, but not all of it, as if no other position, player or factor matters.

As for the money, that's a separate issue that doesn't justify ignoring the realities of an individual game. You can't reasonably say "I don't think he's worth a big contract, so I'm going to pretend he is the root of everything that doesn't go right".

OmerV · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyoWales said:
More excuses.....the top QB's perform despite these issues.

Oh to have a QB that finishes off a drive, rather than one that doesnt have the accuracy to work in confined spaces (or are you blaming one of the best receiving corp for not getting open enough for Dak to throw a substandard pass).

So, Schultz dropped passes are a QB performance problem and not a receiver performance problem … I see your mindset.

OmerV · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyoWales said:
That is the MAIN problem with Dak, stats dont tell everything.

The stats will say that that it was completed pass, so be definition the stat is a positive. However, it was a very average throw in: the context of the game, the position on the field and that Lamb was running into space and inviting where the throw should have been.

Made worse as Dak is playing for a mega contract and Lamb is playing his first professional game.

You are under the impression that every other QB in the NFL throw it right on the numbers every time, and no receiver besides those that play for the Cowboys ever have to adjust their hands to catch a pass?

Pretty unfair standard. The throw was only slightly off the ideal location, and Lamb was able to catch it without having to stop or turn. The same throw could have been made by Mahomes or Rodgers or any QB - not at all outside the realm of what commonly occurs with QBs.

Dak is not an elite talent, but this was not an example of a major shortcoming the way you want to portray it

CowboyoWales · Sep 16, 2020

OmerV said:
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Dak is not an elite talent....

So you've come around to our way of thinking.

With other areas of the team not performing (that O-Line, Defense) it'd be a waste to give a non-elite QB $40m per year.

OmerV · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyoWales said:
So you've come around to our way of thinking.

With other areas of the team not performing (that O-Line, Defense) it'd be a waste to give a non-elite QB $40m per year.

There was no coming around, so quit trying to claim a victory where there was none. I've never said Dak was an elite QB.

By the way, the fact you cherry picked this comment out of context says a lot about your unwillingness to have a reasonable discussion.

The reality is, and what I think you are missing, is that elite QBs don't grow on trees, and you can't just run down to Walmart and pick one up on the top shelf. Right now in the NFL I think there are only 3 - Mahomes, Rodgers and Wilson. Lamar Jackson is knocking on the door.

Most teams have to build a solid team rather than counting on just one player, and use the best alternative they can get after the very small number of "elite" QB's, and a team can sabotage itself by dumping a very good QB looking for the rare elite guy. They just aren't as available to get as some like to imagine. For that matter, neither are the very good ones. Dumping a very good QB looking for the next Brady, Brees etc … is probably more likely to get you a Jake Locker or EJ Emmanuel, or at best, another QB about the equal of the one you already had, while losing continuity in getting to that.

CowboyoWales · Sep 16, 2020

OmerV said:
Most teams have to build a solid team rather than counting on just one player, and use the best alternative they can get after the very small number of "elite" QB's, and a team can sabotage itself by dumping a very good QB looking for the rare elite guy. They just aren't as available to get as some like to imagine. For that matter, neither are the very good ones. Dumping a very good QB looking for the next Brady, Brees etc … is probably more likely to get you a Jake Locker or EJ Emmanuel, or at best, another QB about the equal of the one you already had, while losing continuity in getting to that.

Victory is mine....excuse after excuse.

A 'good' QB isnt worth $40m.... get another 'good' QB or even an average Bus Driver and improve the other weaknesses.

We arent winning with Dak.

88sAndHeartbreak · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyoWales said:
Victory is mine....excuse after excuse.

A 'good' QB isnt worth $40m.... get another 'good' QB or even an average Bus Driver and improve the other weaknesses.

We arent winning with Dak.

So your saying good qb's are easy to find?

CowboyoWales · Sep 16, 2020

88sAndHeartbreak said:
So your saying good qb's are easy to find?

What's a good QB???

For me it's a player that can lead his team to victories.

He is blessed with one of the top offences, however, the same issues crop up time and time again: unable to beat good defenses on a regular basis, unable to produce in confined RZ and unable to finish of drives..... the 3rd down pass to Lamb epitomizes what Dak is, average /good but nothing special.

The issue with him is that he believes he's worth top money....he's just not good enough for us to go all the way, especially as he'd be paid over 20% of the CAP.

CowboyRoy · Sep 16, 2020

BrAinPaiNt said:
Go at it but keep it within the guidelines

Thank you for having a "Dak sucks" thread. Really cleans up the board. :thumbup:

Philmonroe · Sep 16, 2020

88sAndHeartbreak said:
So your saying good qb's are easy to find?

Why do people keep asking this disingenuous question?

gjkoeppen · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyoWales said:
Victory is mine....excuse after excuse.

A 'good' QB isnt worth $40m.... get another 'good' QB or even an average Bus Driver and improve the other weaknesses.

We arent winning with Dak.

What you just don't get is by getting another QB there is just as much chance that the Cowboys end up with a QB that's not even as good as Prescott and then there would have to have a top 2 or 3 defense to make up for that. The draft minus the top pick for this QB and the cap space in what will be a lower cap limit next season isn't going to be enough to turn this Cowboys defense into the top 2 or 3 defense. So all you've done is make the most important position on the team weaker. You're not going to turn this defense into the 2000 ravens defense that only need Dilfer as a QB in 1, 2 or even 3 years. This is why you're just a wannabe GM and not a real GM.
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88sAndHeartbreak · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyoWales said:
What's a good QB???

For me it's a player that can lead his team to victories.

He is blessed with one of the top offences, however, the same issues crop up time and time again: unable to beat good defenses on a regular basis, unable to produce in confined RZ and unable to finish of drives..... the 3rd down pass to Lamb epitomizes what Dak is, average /good but nothing special.

The issue with him is that he believes he's worth top money....he's just not good enough for us to go all the way, especially as he'd be paid over 20% of the CAP.

So Dalton is the answer to this? Or draft/sign another QB?

Philmonroe said:
Why do people keep asking this disingenuous question?

Because good QBs don't grow on trees, and you have to be truly lucky to find one, and even luckier to find one that's elite.

You waste actual good players primes waiting for a "better" QB than the "good" one you fired/traded/lost.

Whether yall like it or not, sticking with Dak gives us a better chance. Rather then starting over.

gjkoeppen · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyoWales said:
What's a good QB???

For me it's a player that can lead his team to victories.

He is blessed with one of the top offences, however, the same issues crop up time and time again: unable to beat good defenses on a regular basis, unable to produce in confined RZ and unable to finish of drives..... the 3rd down pass to Lamb epitomizes what Dak is, average /good but nothing special.

The issue with him is that he believes he's worth top money....he's just not good enough for us to go all the way, especially as he'd be paid over 20% of the CAP.

Ya because there are so many Mahomes and Wilson type QB's. In fact there are so many that every team except the Cowboys have one. Teams like the browns and the jets go get one every 2 years. In fact there's so many that teams no longer have to use their 1st round pick on one because there will still be some in the 6th and 7th rounds. Didn't you hear that all those that want Prescott gone have this magic wand that makes Mahome and Wilson type QB's as plentiful as there are fans that think they are real GM's.
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CowboyoWales · Sep 16, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
What you just don't get is by getting another QB there is just as much chance that the Cowboys end up with a QB that's not even as good as Prescott and then there would have to have a top 2 or 3 defense to make up for that. The draft minus the top pick for this QB and the cap space in what will be a lower cap limit next season isn't going to be enough to turn this Cowboys defense into the top 2 or 3 defense. So all you've done is make the most important position on the team weaker. You're not going to turn this defense into the 2000 ravens defense that only need Dilfer as a QB in 1, 2 or even 3 years. This is why you're just a wannabe GM and not a real GM.
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"Not as good as Prescott"...... so what is he good at? Accumulating yards where there's space. Beating up on poor teams.

I dont know who MM would want at QB, but it's possible that he wants to draft his own QB and in the meantime spend the $40m (approx) saving on a temporary (Bus Driver) Vet and improve defense.

CowboyoWales · Sep 16, 2020

88sAndHeartbreak said:
So Dalton is the answer to this? Or draft/sign another QB?

Because good QBs don't grow on trees, and you have to be truly lucky to find one, and even luckier to find one that's elite.

You waste actual good players primes waiting for a "better" QB than the "good" one you fired/traded/lost.

Whether yall like it or not, sticking with Dak gives us a better chance. Rather then starting over.

Dalton could well have made that 3rd down to Lamb.

Its melodramatic to say we'd be starting over, Dak's nothing special. Most QB's could play with that offense and we'd have money available so that we wouldnt have to leave players of the standard of Terence Steele on the field.

We also need at least 2 LB's and id love to resign Aldon Smith....even with the raft of restructured contracts thats probably not going to be possible if we pay Dak.

Philmonroe · Sep 16, 2020

88sAndHeartbreak said:
So Dalton is the answer to this? Or draft/sign another QB?

Because good QBs don't grow on trees, and you have to be truly lucky to find one, and even luckier to find one that's elite.

You waste actual good players primes waiting for a "better" QB than the "good" one you fired/traded/lost.

Whether yall like it or not, sticking with Dak gives us a better chance. Rather then starting over.

KC didn't agree with your sticking with average and we see where it got them. Just say y'all are risk averse scaredy cats instead of this stay with Dak just because.

CowboyoWales · Sep 16, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
Ya because there are so many Mahomes and Wilson type QB's. In fact there are so many that every team except the Cowboys have one. Teams like the browns and the jets go get one every 2 years. In fact there's so many that teams no longer have to use their 1st round pick on one because there will still be some in the 6th and 7th rounds. Didn't you hear that all those that want Prescott gone have this magic wand that makes Mahome and Wilson type QB's as plentiful as there are fans that think they are real GM's.
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With our offense we dont need a Mahomes or Wilson type and lets be fair Dak isnt in their league, by a fair way.

Dak is a glorified Bus Driver, who is great on the open road but has difficulty when he gets in the parking lot. .

gjkoeppen · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyoWales said:
"Not as good as Prescott"...... so what is he good at? Accumulating yards where there's space. Beating up on poor teams.

I dont know who MM would want at QB, but it's possible that he wants to draft his own QB and in the meantime spend the $40m (approx) saving on a temporary (Bus Driver) Vet and improve defense.

AGAIN THOSE ELITE QB's ARE SO PLENTIFUL. Any or EVERY team can pick one up in any round in every draft they're that plentiful. Remember the raiders thought they had the next HOF QB and took him with the 1st pick in the draft. What was his name? Oh ya JaMarcus Russell. Lets take a look at some of those other QB's that teams thought they were getting an elite QB like Tim Couch, Jake Locker, Heath Shuler, Akili Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington and the list could go on for days.
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landryscorner · Sep 16, 2020

He IS what we thought HE is...an average QB in the NFL.

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