I rewatched the Rams game and Dak was not the issue

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My point is its 2020 and Dak is our QB and shortly we shall have a new QB.
But the treatment of our QBs have been the exact same. Whether someone wants to say it wasn’t a player’s fault, they still haven’t gotten the job done. At some point, some QB will need to do enough to win instead of doing enough to not be blamed for a loss. That was my point.
 

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Again, this is the disconnect.

People can't say, "well Dak played well enough to win" and then turn around and claim he's an elite QB. An elite QB has to be better than "good enough to win" in big games, which Sunday was. You can't have it both ways. You can't sit here and get pissy when people criticize Dak and don't agree with other that he's one of the best QBs in football but then turn around and say well, he didn't "lose" us the game and how can he be expected to play great if A or B isn't working?

The best way to look at this, taking Sunday's game specifically, is that Dak didn't cause us to lose. He wasn't the reason we lost. But he also didn't elevate his game enough to get a win either.
 

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Is that your thing? You just bash anyone who dares criticize King Dak? Good luck with that.


Oh, and what Jimmy Johnson said about Dak was stating that while coaching Miami (college) he had both Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde as QB's.....Vinny had the size and arm but needed the offense to be designed very deliberately in terms of reads. He stated Dak was like Vinny in that he is the type of QB that needs to go through his reads and can improvise like a Bernie Kosar.

So while you may want to knock a guy for disagreeing with you, I will take what Jimmy said more seriously than what you say as he has a very valid point about Dak.

No, I bash trolls that say stupid things.

Jimmy said that Dak is a great QB. He was simply describing the different type of QB's.

because he doesn't see the field

This is the lie that you made up in your head. This was NEVER said. You do what trolls do. You make up lies and invent things.

 

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Please. Enough with the "coaches gameplan" nonsense.

Coaches call what Dak might be able to do. He's a painfully limited quarterback with no vision or ability to work through progressions.

Just as Jimmy Johnson said he is.
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Unfortunately, it seems fair to say that the OL is going through some tough times at present with their various injuries. To compound the problem even further, Tyron and Zack are experiencing various nagging hurts that hamper their performance. They're warriors who do their best to fight through their aging bodily woes but it's seemingly just a matter of time before their performances aren't quite enough any longer. It's too bad that Dak has to suffer the consequences of the OL's scenario but it's something that he'll just have to overcome for now. Let's hope help arrives well before La'el is able to return.
 
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No, I bash trolls that say stupid things.

Jimmy said that Dak is a great QB. He was simply describing the different type of QB's.

because he doesn't see the field

This is the lie that you made up in your head. This was NEVER said. You do what trolls do. You make up lies and invent things.






Starting at the 1:25 mark of the video......in describing Testaverde Jimmy Johnson says "offense had to be precision for him....it had to be take the step throw it here... throw it here...look, read the safety...throw it here or throw it here.....that's it"

Then when speaking about Kosar Jimmy Johnson stated "...you could throw him out there with a bunch of ragnots on a sandlot...and he was going to make plays". He then goes on to say that Kosar was a much less talented version of Aaron Rodgers in that he could throw off his back foot, scramble and make plays.

He then says "Prescot is a lot like Testaverde" in that "you have to have a very precise offense to be successful"...."...but as far as letting him go and drop back and read the field and make a lot of decisions...that's not his game."



So you can have the position you choose to have but to insult people disagree with you and call them liars when they quote what Jimmy Johnson said is just plain stupid as Jimmy Johnson DID SAY dropping back and reading the field IS NOT Dak's game.
 

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Whatever dude. The man was 2 - 8 vs. teams with a winning record last year. On third down he was 1 of 7 for 11 yds and a sack Sunday night. His offense generated just 3 pts (off a short field turnover that should not have been) in the final 30 minutes of football. There's a "whistling past the graveyard" feel to this business. To say Dak was not a problem Sunday night is just denial at this point. This is his 5th year as a starter and he needs to start winning more games against the big boys...not just the cupcakes.
 

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Okay, let’s rewrite history and pretend Zeke didn’t score there.

Dak ran the ball down to the 1-yard line before Zeke punched it in, so will you rewrite history to give Dak credit for Zeke’s rushing TD?

Better yet, let’s go around the league and analyze every single Pass TD so we know which ones count and which ones don’t.
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I am not trying to rewrite history. If you had even the slightest ability to apply some critical thinking instead of running on emotion you would understand that.

You offered a couple rankings based on stats alone as proof of Dak's superior abilities. I simply wondered how the rankings may have changed by taking out that one very significant factor used in determining those rankings. A TD pass gets the same weight whether it is a 15 yard rope threaded between three defenders in the middle of the endzone. a 50 yard bomb perfectly thrown over the outside shoulder of a streaking WR or a lob to the RB in the flat who then takes it 20 yards into the endzone.

Are you not able to comprehend the vast differences in degree of difficulty between those three examples? Apparently not.

In a way it is the same thing as moving you up in the CZ poster rankings because of excellent grammar even though the content of your posts is clearly third rate.
 

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I love how you people completely dismiss time of possession. Ridiculous.

The Rams converted 9-17 on 3rd down but the defense “did their part”?
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Each team had ten possessions. Dak took one less snap then Goff.

The offense was just as responsible for that TOP differential as the defense.
 

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Each team had ten possessions. Dak took one less snap then Goff.

The offense was just as responsible for that TOP differential as the defense.


Not to mention the fact that the TOP difference favored the Rams much more in the 1st Half than the 2nd Half.....and Dallas had a 14-13 lead at the Half.......so those complaining about TOP need to just stop as Dallas failed to do anything with TOP in the 2nd Half all while the defense held the Rams to 7 points in the 2nd Half.
 

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That is not the point

Every single team has issues of the kind you are bringing up

A great QB finds a way to overcome those issues and get his team past the finish line

Dak needs every other facet to be perfect for the team to win
That ain’t happening in the NFL against the best teams in the playoffs

We have to come to terms with the fact that Dak is not that QB. He will not be THE REASON we won despite other deficiencies
So whenever any NFL team loses a game its because their QB just isn't good enough?

And no, not every team had a new coaching staff with no OTA's, no preseason and only a limited training camp to work with the team and make changes.

And, realistically, not every QB gets the same quality of blocking every game. We don't have a problem recognizing when Dak has had stronger O-line's to help, so why would we not also recognize when he doesn't?
 

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The only thing that frightened me was our defense getting blown off the ball, and looking like they were playing in slow motion early on, and the interior Oline. Outside of that we played pretty well.

The D looked like they weren’t prepared for fast real football, which is understandable.
That's the Rams MO and strength. Every team struggles against them.
 

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I went through the game again last night and I have to say that after I was finished I actually found myself disappointed in many dak haters on this board.

First and foremost, The defense allowed some incredibly ridiculous long drives and owned the time of possession that left very little room for error.

Dak protected the ball and made some very nice throws and a run even though the offensive line afforded him zero time. Obviously our line was rated as one of the worst in the league from a pressure standpoint.

Dak was given a lackluster gameplan that gave us no real advantage. Mcvay knew we were going to bring a ton of pressure so he attacked us with short dump offs and nice blocking to take advantage of our pressure. We really did nothing to stop this most of the game and this is what ate up the clock. Why wouldn't the cowboys use more motion and mix play calling up better than what they did?

This leads me to the pandemic and how it messed with us being able to implement a new system. What we are seeing is similar to what we had last year and much of this can be blamed on not having more time to change things up and implement all the new designs and formations..

Dak played more than good enough to win this game, but once again, no coaching and scheme advantage, mixed with horrible offensive line play. If you look at a couple crucial drives where we didn't covert that would of put us in front, you will find Cooper dropping a perfectly thrown ball after a big hit, and you will also see Shultz drop a very important pass that he should of caught. This was a very good pass as well... Lets not forget Ceedee lamb making a rookie mistake and not running his route to the sticks on the 4th down play where Dak threw a perfect ball..

Dak also protected the football and throw an absolute beautiful ball to gallup that in most cases would of been called a completion. I watched this play over and over! Ramsey did indeed have his armed pinned before the ball arrived and Gallup reached into his chest to get away, but it wasn't a blatant push at all and the call should of never been made. This throw was pure clutch and perfectly executed and a crucial part of the game. If Gallup catches this ball we most likely win, or at least have a great chance..

After watching the game again, I came to the conclusion that Dak was one of the best players on that field on Sunday not named Zeke or Aaron Donald...

Quit getting sucked in by the media looking for ratings, or the guys on this forum that Hate Dak.. Any objective person that understands football can see the comedy of events that are happening that contributing to frustration with QB position. Dak gave us a great chance to win this game, I even dare say he played pretty darn good.. You don't believe me? Go back and watch the entire game again. Was he perfect? No, but the guy played pretty darn good.. I feel good about Dak, it's everyone else I worry about.. I think the Cowboys are just cursed if you want to be honest, I think the deal with the devil that Jerry made has run out.

Dont try to talk logic with the Dak haters. They dont care.
 

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So whenever any NFL team loses a game its because their QB just isn't good enough?

And no, not every team had a new coaching staff with no OTA's, no preseason and only a limited training camp to work with the team and make changes.

And, realistically, not every QB gets the same quality of blocking every game. We don't have a problem recognizing when Dak has had stronger O-line's to help, so why would we not also recognize when he doesn't?
Dak has failed to lead the offense to more than 17 points in 4 of the last 7 games. He's 2-5 in those games.

Insert Mahomes, Wilson, or many others in those games, and Dallas would have been 7-0 or 6-1.

That's why you don't pay him a big contract. He's limited and non-impactful.
 

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Blaming the QB for losses is unoriginal and a knee-jerk reaction. When you watch a game you focus on the guy with the ball and that is the QB on every play so it is not surprising he gets the blame. No one watches a game and focuses on the 5 guys on the offensive line.

Games are won and lost in the trenches. It sounds cliche, and it is, but it is also true. The Cowboys OL got beat up against the Rams. That's why the TOP was so lopsided. The DL did not control the LOS either. It is kind of amazing it was a 3 point game.

Dak is not a great QB. He is a good QB and more than capable of winning games. But he is not so good that he can consistently overcome poor offensive line play. There are only a few QBs in the league that are that good. Maybe this is why Jerry is hesitant to pay Dak like one of those top QBs.

At some point we have to accept the Cowboys players for what they do on the field. The hype out of the Cowboys front office and media is not reality. When the OL plays like they did last Sunday, they are clearly not as good as the press they get. Maybe this is true of the whole team. I said it earlier and I am sticking by it, the Cowboys have too many overrated and not enough underrated players. Aldon Smith may be the only guy on the team who was underrated going into the Rams game.
 

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Dak has failed to lead the offense to more than 17 points in 4 of the last 7 games. He's 2-5 in those games.

Insert Mahomes, Wilson, or many others in those games, and Dallas would have been 7-0 or 6-1.

That's why you don't pay him a big contract. He's limited and non-impactful.
A few years ago the Packers were 6-9 with Rodgers at QB. I assume you would agree that proves that wins and losses aren't solely on the QB, or that a cherry picked time frame is not a fair way to look at things.
 

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Dak wasn't the solution, either, and that IS the issue.
There aren't 5 QBs in the league who win that game for Dallas. Russ, Pat, maybe Rodgers, and Lamar if he can run. That's the entire list.
 

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I went through the game again last night and I have to say that after I was finished I actually found myself disappointed in many dak haters on this board.

First and foremost, The defense allowed some incredibly ridiculous long drives and owned the time of possession that left very little room for error.

Dak protected the ball and made some very nice throws and a run even though the offensive line afforded him zero time. Obviously our line was rated as one of the worst in the league from a pressure standpoint.

Dak was given a lackluster gameplan that gave us no real advantage. Mcvay knew we were going to bring a ton of pressure so he attacked us with short dump offs and nice blocking to take advantage of our pressure. We really did nothing to stop this most of the game and this is what ate up the clock. Why wouldn't the cowboys use more motion and mix play calling up better than what they did?

This leads me to the pandemic and how it messed with us being able to implement a new system. What we are seeing is similar to what we had last year and much of this can be blamed on not having more time to change things up and implement all the new designs and formations..

Dak played more than good enough to win this game, but once again, no coaching and scheme advantage, mixed with horrible offensive line play. If you look at a couple crucial drives where we didn't covert that would of put us in front, you will find Cooper dropping a perfectly thrown ball after a big hit, and you will also see Shultz drop a very important pass that he should of caught. This was a very good pass as well... Lets not forget Ceedee lamb making a rookie mistake and not running his route to the sticks on the 4th down play where Dak threw a perfect ball..

Dak also protected the football and throw an absolute beautiful ball to gallup that in most cases would of been called a completion. I watched this play over and over! Ramsey did indeed have his armed pinned before the ball arrived and Gallup reached into his chest to get away, but it wasn't a blatant push at all and the call should of never been made. This throw was pure clutch and perfectly executed and a crucial part of the game. If Gallup catches this ball we most likely win, or at least have a great chance..

After watching the game again, I came to the conclusion that Dak was one of the best players on that field on Sunday not named Zeke or Aaron Donald...

Quit getting sucked in by the media looking for ratings, or the guys on this forum that Hate Dak.. Any objective person that understands football can see the comedy of events that are happening that contributing to frustration with QB position. Dak gave us a great chance to win this game, I even dare say he played pretty darn good.. You don't believe me? Go back and watch the entire game again. Was he perfect? No, but the guy played pretty darn good.. I feel good about Dak, it's everyone else I worry about.. I think the Cowboys are just cursed if you want to be honest, I think the deal with the devil that Jerry made has run out.

I appreciate anyone that reviews the games.

One thing I've noticed is that all people at CZ that appear to actually review games, rate Dak somewhere between good and great.

The other thing that I've noticed is that none of the Dak haters appear to ever review game footage.
 
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