I rewatched the Rams game and Dak was not the issue

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Allowing a 50% success rate isn't great for the defense but I am more bothered by the offense going 1-7 (14.3%) on 3rd downs in the 2nd Half when the game was within easy reach for Dallas to win.
Cooper’s drop caused one of those failures. I believe Schultz had one too.

We also ran it on 3rd and 6 to set up a shorter 4th down that we went for.
 

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I went through the game again last night and I have to say that after I was finished I actually found myself disappointed in many dak haters on this board.

First and foremost, The defense allowed some incredibly ridiculous long drives and owned the time of possession that left very little room for error.

Dak protected the ball and made some very nice throws and a run even though the offensive line afforded him zero time. Obviously our line was rated as one of the worst in the league from a pressure standpoint.

Dak was given a lackluster gameplan that gave us no real advantage. Mcvay knew we were going to bring a ton of pressure so he attacked us with short dump offs and nice blocking to take advantage of our pressure. We really did nothing to stop this most of the game and this is what ate up the clock. Why wouldn't the cowboys use more motion and mix play calling up better than what they did?

This leads me to the pandemic and how it messed with us being able to implement a new system. What we are seeing is similar to what we had last year and much of this can be blamed on not having more time to change things up and implement all the new designs and formations..

Dak played more than good enough to win this game, but once again, no coaching and scheme advantage, mixed with horrible offensive line play. If you look at a couple crucial drives where we didn't covert that would of put us in front, you will find Cooper dropping a perfectly thrown ball after a big hit, and you will also see Shultz drop a very important pass that he should of caught. This was a very good pass as well... Lets not forget Ceedee lamb making a rookie mistake and not running his route to the sticks on the 4th down play where Dak threw a perfect ball..

Dak also protected the football and throw an absolute beautiful ball to gallup that in most cases would of been called a completion. I watched this play over and over! Ramsey did indeed have his armed pinned before the ball arrived and Gallup reached into his chest to get away, but it wasn't a blatant push at all and the call should of never been made. This throw was pure clutch and perfectly executed and a crucial part of the game. If Gallup catches this ball we most likely win, or at least have a great chance..

After watching the game again, I came to the conclusion that Dak was one of the best players on that field on Sunday not named Zeke or Aaron Donald...

Quit getting sucked in by the media looking for ratings, or the guys on this forum that Hate Dak.. Any objective person that understands football can see the comedy of events that are happening that contributing to frustration with QB position. Dak gave us a great chance to win this game, I even dare say he played pretty darn good.. You don't believe me? Go back and watch the entire game again. Was he perfect? No, but the guy played pretty darn good.. I feel good about Dak, it's everyone else I worry about.. I think the Cowboys are just cursed if you want to be honest, I think the deal with the devil that Jerry made has run out.

Post of the day right here. The Dak haters are completely unhinged. Guy was top 5 player on the field in that game. For both teams.

So much blame to spread around but not Dak.
 

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Whatever dude. The man was 2 - 8 vs. teams with a winning record last year. On third down he was 1 of 7 for 11 yds and a sack Sunday night. His offense generated just 3 pts (off a short field turnover that should not have been) in the final 30 minutes of football. There's a "whistling past the graveyard" feel to this business. To say Dak was not a problem Sunday night is just denial at this point. This is his 5th year as a starter and he needs to start winning more games against the big boys...not just the cupcakes.

Come on man, the TEAM was 2-8 vs winning teams last year with a failing freckled puppet as our head coach.... Dak was pretty good against the Ram's, while he had zero time to do anything and the defense was playing in slow motion. Be objective, look at the game again, watch closely you may learn something.
 

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Post of the day right here. The Dak haters are completely unhinged. Guy was top 5 player on the field in that game. For both teams.

So much blame to spread around but not Dak.

I'm telling you man, if you watch that game objectively again without emotion, it's easy to see Dak is one of the superior players on the field... When we lose, most of the time it's the entire team that is to blame. We have just been Helter Skelter for too long and we have horrible luck, but any fool can see that this hasn't been because of Dak.
 

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Cooper’s drop caused one of those failures. I believe Schultz had one too.

We also ran it on 3rd and 6 to set up a shorter 4th down that we went for.


3rd and 6 at the Rams 11 in the 4th quarter down by 3 and they ran it and only got 3 yards.....then Dak hit Lamb a yard short of the 1st down forcing a turnover on downs.

Sorry but either kick the FG on 4th down for the tie or have Dak step up and demand he pass on 3rd down.
 

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I'm telling you man, if you watch that game objectively again without emotion, it's easy to see Dak is one of the superior players on the field... When we lose, most of the time it's the entire team that is to blame. We have just been Helter Skelter for too long and we have horrible luck, but any fool can see that this hasn't been because of Dak.

I think he also did a nice job with his feet. Couple of big runs there. The 4th Q wasn't great but that was more Donald going crazy and being unblockable than Dak making mistakes. I am a big Dak fan. Not sure if I am a $40MM per Dak fan but I think he is a good QB.
 

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Not to mention the fact that the TOP difference favored the Rams much more in the 1st Half than the 2nd Half.....and Dallas had a 14-13 lead at the Half.......so those complaining about TOP need to just stop as Dallas failed to do anything with TOP in the 2nd Half all while the defense held the Rams to 7 points in the 2nd Half.
It's crazy. If we were told before the game that the Rams would be held to 20 points total and 7 in the 2nd half there likely isn't a person on this forum that wouldn't have wanted to bet the kids college money on a Cowboys victory.

Lose 20-17 and it's the defense's fault....
LOLLL yeah, you don’t know football.

Nobody cares about “degree of difficulty” except kids watching the highlights on YouTube.

No, rankings shouldn’t be weighted differently based on degree of difficulty. I can’t believe I needed to type that out to a grown man.
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Sometimes the best plays are the most simple ones. Sometimes a 5-yard checkdown on 2nd and 6 is a better play than forcing a “rope between 3 defenders” which has a much higher chance at being picked off.

This wasn’t some screen pass in which Zeke was the only real option on the play. Dak scanned the field, went through his progressions and decided that giving his Pro Bowl RB a chance on a short pass was the best option for success. He was right... and therefore, Dak deserves just as much credit for the success of the play as he would on a “rope between 3 defenders.”

I know this is all over your head. Just smile and nod.
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None of this gibberish has anything to to with what I posted. Apparently it went right over your head.

Even you could probably have lofted the ball to the RB in the flat and watch him run through the defense.

Good play. Good TD. Routine QB play expected from any practice squad QB. I would also bet my supper that the RB in the flat was the intention of the play. The Cowboys have been using that play in that situation since 2016 since it is one of the few options available to work around the QB's obvious deficiencies passing the ball when the field shrinks.

It might benefit you to actually watch some games other than the Cowboys. A few years of that might help you gain at least some understanding and perspective beyond touting ridiculous rankings after ONE game. LOL
 

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Wrong. Great coaches put QB’s in a position to succeed with a good game plan. Execution from there is what separates the levels of QB’s. And if you thought the offensive game plan vs the Rams was acceptable you don’t know what you’re looking at. The Cowboys are playing an offensive scheme that is a decade behind what most good nfl teams are running
Our current coach is a superbowl winner, albeit with a different QB.
 

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Dak played more than good enough to win this game, but once again, no coaching and scheme advantage, mixed with horrible offensive line play. If you look at a couple crucial drives where we didn't covert that would of put us in front, you will find Cooper dropping a perfectly thrown ball after a big hit, and you will also see Shultz drop a very important pass that he should of caught. This was a very good pass as well... Lets not forget Ceedee lamb making a rookie mistake and not running his route to the sticks on the 4th down play where Dak threw a perfect ball..

We used to have a QB that overcame these issues by himself and was able to elevate the play around him. The only flaw with poor coaching and scheming is that no team can over come that in January.
 

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We used to have a QB that overcame these issues by himself and was able to elevate the play around him. The only flaw with poor coaching and scheming is that no team can over come that in January.
Don't let those pesky interceptions at the absolute worst times get in the way of that narrative..
 

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3rd and 6 at the Rams 11 in the 4th quarter down by 3 and they ran it and only got 3 yards.....then Dak hit Lamb a yard short of the 1st down forcing a turnover on downs.

Sorry but either kick the FG on 4th down for the tie or have Dak step up and demand he pass on 3rd down.
I agree that we should’ve kicked the FG.

Dalton Schultz screwed Lamb over on that 4th down play with his poor route-running.

Awful game for Schultz. Tight end is a major hole now that Jarwin’s out. Wish we still had Witten.
 

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I don't dislike the guy, but he just isn't a playmaker. He goes as the Cowboys go, but he doesn't make them better.
Do you really think a marquee type quarterback would have settled for what he gave?
He didn't make anything happen that wasn't scripted in the playbook. That's why he's not marquee.
Any time he scrambled and didn't take a sack, he made a play.

Yes. That's exactly what all the best QBs in the league do - take what the D givers them.

Yes he did. Over and over and over again.

Your bar for what constitutes a good QB is entirely distanced from the reality of the rest of the NFL. It's convenient that you didn't even try to name QBs who win that game, in that context. Just a stupid point and you just absolutely refuse to see the positive in Dak.
 

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Our current coach is a superbowl winner, albeit with a different QB.


He won with a Top 10 all time QB imho.....and I hate A-aron.

Not sold on Mcarthy.

He’s not red ball.....but I have to admit—-the feel of the game was the same.
 

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It's crazy. If we were told before the game that the Rams would be held to 20 points total and 7 in the 2nd half there likely isn't a person on this forum that wouldn't have wanted to bet the kids college money on a Cowboys victory.

Lose 20-17 and it's the defense's fault....

None of this gibberish has anything to to with what I posted. Apparently it went right over your head.

Even you could probably have lofted the ball to the RB in the flat and watch him run through the defense.

Good play. Good TD. Routine QB play expected from any practice squad QB. I would also bet my supper that the RB in the flat was the intention of the play. The Cowboys have been using that play in that situation since 2016 since it is one of the few options available to work around the QB's obvious deficiencies passing the ball when the field shrinks.

It might benefit you to actually watch some games other than the Cowboys. A few years of that might help you gain at least some understanding and perspective beyond touting ridiculous rankings after ONE game. LOL
Only a know-nothing buffoon who has never played or coached the game at any level could POSSIBLY think Zeke was the #1 read on that play. I’m done with you.
:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:
 

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He won with a Top 10 all time QB imho.....and I hate A-aron.

Not sold on Mcarthy.

He’s not red ball.....but I have to admit—-the feel of the game was the same.
Would you pay Dak more than Rodgers then?
 

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Starting at the 1:25 mark of the video......in describing Testaverde Jimmy Johnson says "offense had to be precision for him....it had to be take the step throw it here... throw it here...look, read the safety...throw it here or throw it here.....that's it"

Then when speaking about Kosar Jimmy Johnson stated "...you could throw him out there with a bunch of ragnots on a sandlot...and he was going to make plays". He then goes on to say that Kosar was a much less talented version of Aaron Rodgers in that he could throw off his back foot, scramble and make plays.

He then says "Prescot is a lot like Testaverde" in that "you have to have a very precise offense to be successful"...."...but as far as letting him go and drop back and read the field and make a lot of decisions...that's not his game."



So you can have the position you choose to have but to insult people disagree with you and call them liars when they quote what Jimmy Johnson said is just plain stupid as Jimmy Johnson DID SAY dropping back and reading the field IS NOT Dak's game.




Starting at the 1:25 mark of the video......in describing Testaverde Jimmy Johnson says "offense had to be precision for him....it had to be take the step throw it here... throw it here...look, read the safety...throw it here or throw it here.....that's it"

Then when speaking about Kosar Jimmy Johnson stated "...you could throw him out there with a bunch of ragnots on a sandlot...and he was going to make plays". He then goes on to say that Kosar was a much less talented version of Aaron Rodgers in that he could throw off his back foot, scramble and make plays.

He then says "Prescot is a lot like Testaverde" in that "you have to have a very precise offense to be successful"...."...but as far as letting him go and drop back and read the field and make a lot of decisions...that's not his game."



So you can have the position you choose to have but to insult people disagree with you and call them liars when they quote what Jimmy Johnson said is just plain stupid as Jimmy Johnson DID SAY dropping back and reading the field IS NOT Dak's game.

Lol...Romo threw for 500 yards and I think 5 TDs/1 Int against Denver once in a 48-51 loss and people here were blaming him. I guess it just goes with the position.

Remember that game like it was yesterday. I think romo threw one pick during that game they kept saying if he didn't throw the pick we win. LOL

QB challenged fans are everywhere.
 

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Our current coach is a superbowl winner, albeit with a different QB.

You tell me what changed from last year to that Rams game...it was the same old crap. No motion, no play action, no screens, and continued running the ball up the middle 40% of the time on 1st.

I’m not giving up hope or overreacting to 1 week, but when discussing why we didn’t succeed on offense vs the Rams the offensive game plan was culprit #1.
 

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Dak didn't help himself with a new contract ext. however he wasn't the main reason we lost. Our offensive line was getting jobbed and administered poor protection overall. Also our defensive front 7 were getting steam rolled between the 20's throughout the game. Overall I blame the coaches. The offensive plays and play calling was vanilla and when we where getting jobbed and steamrolled, there seemed to be no adjustments on either side of the ball. The defense woke up a little at the end of the game but our offense kept throwing more of the same crap expecting something to stick.
I hope MM received a good taste of his own blood with the busted mouth we received last week. If we see more of the same (non) reaction or adjustments this week, I'll be worried.
 

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Come on man, the TEAM was 2-8 vs winning teams last year with a failing freckled puppet as our head coach.... Dak was pretty good against the Ram's, while he had zero time to do anything and the defense was playing in slow motion. Be objective, look at the game again, watch closely you may learn something.
I am being objective. You simply dismiss and scapegoat last year's dismal record against teams with winning records as "on Garrett"...as if it was him and not Prescott throwing the ball. THAT makes you NOT objective...and the principal reason for that is your emotional investment in the Dallas Cowboys. I have very little emotional investment in this team since Romo left the building. Prescott has trouble with the better teams...hell he even crapped the bed against some not so good ones last year. If he needs the type of line play he had in 2016 to elevate the team then the Cowboys might be better off without him. He may NEVER have that again in Dallas, especially if Jones and Co. fork over 40 million/yr.
 
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