I rewatched the Rams game and Dak was not the issue

Nexx · Sep 18, 2020

Dak wasnt our issue... but he sure wasnt the solution. I want to see him be the solution more often before he gets paid 40mil a year.

leeblair · Sep 18, 2020

Future said:
Any time he scrambled and didn't take a sack, he made a play.

Yes. That's exactly what all the best QBs in the league do - take what the D givers them.

Yes he did. Over and over and over again.

Your bar for what constitutes a good QB is entirely distanced from the reality of the rest of the NFL. It's convenient that you didn't even try to name QBs who win that game, in that context. Just a stupid point and you just absolutely refuse to see the positive in Dak.

You should go on You Tube and watch his college games. It will enlighten you.
He was great when he played weak teams, but when the pressure was on, he just couldn't do anything.
It's not a knock on the guy to say he isn't what he needs to be. He is what he is.

Vtwin · Sep 18, 2020

Nav22 said:
Only a know-nothing buffoon who has never played or coached the game at any level could POSSIBLY think Zeke was the #1 read on that play. I’m done with you.

Even if he wasn't Dak was always going to check down anyways.

None of that had anything to do with the point though. The point was that with only a one game sample size the ratings and rankings can change dramatically based on the outcome of one single play.

Given that fact it seems obvious that only someone running on emotion and lacking any cognitive thinking abilities would try and use rankings as credible evidence to support their argument.

Oh and, anybody who ever played football has run or defended a halfback pass that required, by design, the QB trying to sell the downfield throw before lobbing it to the back.

Nav22 · Sep 18, 2020

Vtwin said:
Even if he wasn't Dak was always going to check down anyways.

None of that had anything to do with the point though. The point was that with only a one game sample size the ratings and rankings can change dramatically based on the outcome of one single play.

Given that fact it seems obvious that only someone running on emotion and lacking any cognitive thinking abilities would try and use rankings as credible evidence to support their argument.

Oh and, anybody who ever played football has run or defended a halfback pass that required, by design, the QB trying to sell the downfield throw before lobbing it to the back.

Dak looks downfield before throwing to Zeke... are you actually suggesting that if Dak saw an open receiver downfield, he still would’ve checked it down?

Please say “yes” so I can keep laughing at you.

“DURRRR 1-GAME SAMPLE SIZE!” Clown.

Dak was 4th in the NFL in QBR last season. His career stats and W/L record are excellent overall. His strong ranking through 1 game this season is par for the course... and it simply craps on your face JUST LIKE the previous 4 years did overall.

He’s a damn good QB no matter how badly you wish he wasn’t. That’s why the coaches, players and front office personnel who were polled this offseason ALL put him in the top 10.

Don’t be mad because you’re too much of a know-nothing buffoon to understand what you’re watching on Sundays.

“DURRRR BUT HOW MANY ROPES BETWEEN 3 DEFENDERS!?!?!”
:lmao2:

CowboyRoy · Sep 18, 2020

USArmyVet said:
Interesting stat......here is the Dak led Dallas Cowboys record and average point differential in those lost games when Dallas scores LESS THAN 20 points in a game:

2016 1 Win 3 Losses (6 points) (Losses were -14 vs. PHI, -3 vs. NYG, and -1 vs. NYG; Win was +2 vs. MINN)

2017 2 Wins 5 Losses (20.8 points) (Losses were -9 vs. SEA, -22 vs. LAC, -28 vs. PHI, -20 vs. ATL, and -28 vs. DEN; Wins were +6 vs. PHI, and +16 vs. NYG)

2018 1 Win 5 Losses ( 10.3 points) (Losses were -23 vs. IND, -14 vs. TEN, -3 vs. WSH, -3 vs. HOU, and -11 vs. SEA; Win was +3 vs. NO)

2019 0 Wins 4 Losses ( 6.25 points) (Losses were -8 vs. PHI, -11 vs. BUF, -4 vs. NE, and -2 vs. NO)

2020 0 Wins 1 Loss (3 points) (Loss was -3 vs. LAR)

So, in just over 4 years (65 total games), the Dak led Dallas Cowboys failed to score at least 20 points in 22 games (or 33.8% of those 65 games) and of those 22 games the team record is 4 Wins and 18 Losses (a winning percentage of 18%).

So tell me your analysis of those statistics. What does that tell you about he Dallas Cowboys?

CowboyRoy · Sep 18, 2020

Nav22 said:
Dak looks downfield before throwing to Zeke... are you actually suggesting that if Dak saw an open receiver downfield, he still would’ve checked it down?

Please say “yes” so I can keep laughing at you.

“DURRRR 1-GAME SAMPLE SIZE!” Clown.

Dak was 4th in the NFL in QBR last season. His career stats and W/L record are excellent overall. His strong ranking through 1 game this season is par for the course... and it simply craps on your face JUST LIKE the previous 4 years did overall.

He’s a damn good QB no matter how badly you wish he wasn’t. That’s why the coaches, players and front office personnel who were polled this offseason ALL put him in the top 10.

Don’t be mad because you’re too much of a know-nothing buffoon to understand what you’re watching on Sundays.

“DURRRR BUT HOW MANY ROPES BETWEEN 3 DEFENDERS!?!?!”

I must say that was one of the best beat downs I seen on here. Poor little trolls didnt know what hit them.

Future · Sep 18, 2020

leeblair said:
You should go on You Tube and watch his college games. It will enlighten you.
He was great when he played weak teams, but when the pressure was on, he just couldn't do anything.
It's not a knock on the guy to say he isn't what he needs to be. He is what he is.

Your definition of what he needs to be is an impossible standard for quarterbacks to meet, is the point. You do that so, no matter what he does, you can say he's not good enough - and you're not the only one.

Dollars to donuts Dallas could win out the rest of the way, including the Super Bowl, he could throw for 6,000 yards and 40 TDs, and your point would be "well look at all that he had around him." There is no standard he could hit in which you will say he is a great QB.

bsbellomy · Sep 18, 2020

johneric8 said:
I went through the game again last night and I have to say that after I was finished I actually found myself disappointed in many dak haters on this board.

First and foremost, The defense allowed some incredibly ridiculous long drives and owned the time of possession that left very little room for error.

Dak protected the ball and made some very nice throws and a run even though the offensive line afforded him zero time. Obviously our line was rated as one of the worst in the league from a pressure standpoint.

Dak was given a lackluster gameplan that gave us no real advantage. Mcvay knew we were going to bring a ton of pressure so he attacked us with short dump offs and nice blocking to take advantage of our pressure. We really did nothing to stop this most of the game and this is what ate up the clock. Why wouldn't the cowboys use more motion and mix play calling up better than what they did?

This leads me to the pandemic and how it messed with us being able to implement a new system. What we are seeing is similar to what we had last year and much of this can be blamed on not having more time to change things up and implement all the new designs and formations..

Dak played more than good enough to win this game, but once again, no coaching and scheme advantage, mixed with horrible offensive line play. If you look at a couple crucial drives where we didn't covert that would of put us in front, you will find Cooper dropping a perfectly thrown ball after a big hit, and you will also see Shultz drop a very important pass that he should of caught. This was a very good pass as well... Lets not forget Ceedee lamb making a rookie mistake and not running his route to the sticks on the 4th down play where Dak threw a perfect ball..

Dak also protected the football and throw an absolute beautiful ball to gallup that in most cases would of been called a completion. I watched this play over and over! Ramsey did indeed have his armed pinned before the ball arrived and Gallup reached into his chest to get away, but it wasn't a blatant push at all and the call should of never been made. This throw was pure clutch and perfectly executed and a crucial part of the game. If Gallup catches this ball we most likely win, or at least have a great chance..

After watching the game again, I came to the conclusion that Dak was one of the best players on that field on Sunday not named Zeke or Aaron Donald...

Quit getting sucked in by the media looking for ratings, or the guys on this forum that Hate Dak.. Any objective person that understands football can see the comedy of events that are happening that contributing to frustration with QB position. Dak gave us a great chance to win this game, I even dare say he played pretty darn good.. You don't believe me? Go back and watch the entire game again. Was he perfect? No, but the guy played pretty darn good.. I feel good about Dak, it's everyone else I worry about.. I think the Cowboys are just cursed if you want to be honest, I think the deal with the devil that Jerry made has run out.

The pandemic excuse is complete garbage. There were a lot of teams facing the same issue.

Skillit · Sep 18, 2020

Jarv said:
Would you pay Dak more than Rodgers then?

Nothing against Dak— but heavens no.

I wouldn’t pay a QB until I felt like the only thing keeping me out of a SB was supporting cast. I like Dak—but he’s not it.
Give him elite coaching, o line play and etc......then yes. But there’s plenty in the league who can win with all that.

Skillit · Sep 18, 2020

Future said:
Your definition of what he needs to be is an impossible standard for quarterbacks to meet, is the point. You do that so, no matter what he does, you can say he's not good enough - and you're not the only one.

Dollars to donuts Dallas could win out the rest of the way, including the Super Bowl, he could throw for 6,000 yards and 40 TDs, and your point would be "well look at all that he had around him." There is no standard he could hit in which you will say he is a great QB.

Nothing to take me out of an argument like Leeblair agreeing with my point.

I’m not sold on Dak, but I thought his calling card from college was beating— or very nearly beating Alabama, Auburn and Florida.

75boyz · Sep 19, 2020

USArmyVet said:
Starting at the 1:25 mark of the video......in describing Testaverde Jimmy Johnson says "offense had to be precision for him....it had to be take the step throw it here... throw it here...look, read the safety...throw it here or throw it here.....that's it"

Then when speaking about Kosar Jimmy Johnson stated "...you could throw him out there with a bunch of ragnots on a sandlot...and he was going to make plays". He then goes on to say that Kosar was a much less talented version of Aaron Rodgers in that he could throw off his back foot, scramble and make plays.

He then says "Prescot is a lot like Testaverde" in that "you have to have a very precise offense to be successful"...."...but as far as letting him go and drop back and read the field and make a lot of decisions...that's not his game."

So you can have the position you choose to have but to insult people disagree with you and call them liars when they quote what Jimmy Johnson said is just plain stupid as Jimmy Johnson DID SAY dropping back and reading the field IS NOT Dak's game.

Yeah,
I think I'll give Jimmy's QB evaluation ability more cred than the group here.

75boyz · Sep 19, 2020

USArmyVet said:
Allowing a 50% success rate isn't great for the defense but I am more bothered by the offense going 1-7 (14.3%) on 3rd downs in the 2nd Half when the game was within easy reach for Dallas to win.

Want to just give you a general shout out for how refreshingly honest your posts and your use of all the empirical data in most cases.
You seem to effortlessly disprove the pro #4 crowd at their own little fantasy football game of stats, facts and figures by demonstrating exact context and game circumstance and conditions as well.

Truly enjoyed a dialog you had earlier in the week with one of Dak s cousins here in which you continued to point to his own comments as rebuttal debate but when faced with them he did the standard narrative twist without realizing how foolish he seemed with each following post.

Keep up the great work. Will long for the day when this can be about what's best for this TEAM and not the Dallas Daksters.

Go Cowboys

CowboyoWales · Sep 19, 2020

johneric8 said:
I'm telling you man, if you watch that game objectively again without emotion, it's easy to see Dak is one of the superior players on the field... When we lose, most of the time it's the entire team that is to blame. We have just been Helter Skelter for too long and we have horrible luck, but any fool can see that this hasn't been because of Dak.

So he's "one of the superior players", but we still lose.

The same as last year - Dak ranked top 4 QB's and we still go 8-8.

This is a top 3 ranked offense, and we dont score against good teams on a regular basis.

Whoever said it on here, was right, he doesnt lose the game, but he doesnt win them .....for $40m you'd expect it.

USArmyVet · Sep 19, 2020

Nav22 said:
Dak looks downfield before throwing to Zeke... are you actually suggesting that if Dak saw an open receiver downfield, he still would’ve checked it down?

Please say “yes” so I can keep laughing at you.

“DURRRR 1-GAME SAMPLE SIZE!” Clown.

Dak was 4th in the NFL in QBR last season. His career stats and W/L record are excellent overall. His strong ranking through 1 game this season is par for the course... and it simply craps on your face JUST LIKE the previous 4 years did overall.

He’s a damn good QB no matter how badly you wish he wasn’t. That’s why the coaches, players and front office personnel who were polled this offseason ALL put him in the top 10.

Don’t be mad because you’re too much of a know-nothing buffoon to understand what you’re watching on Sundays.

“DURRRR BUT HOW MANY ROPES BETWEEN 3 DEFENDERS!?!?!”

You do realize that any potential valid point you make is quickly negated by the immature name calling, right?

USArmyVet · Sep 19, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
So tell me your analysis of those statistics. What does that tell you about he Dallas Cowboys?

In short Dallas can't seem to win the close games.

kramskoi · Sep 19, 2020

johneric8 said:
Thanks man... I re watched the game after I was calm so I could look at it critically. Not because I'm a masochist, but more because I really wanted to dissect the play on the field.
I played ball myself and also coached a little so I understand the game pretty well, and after looking at the game again I came away being thankful for Prescott quite honestly as much as that pains some haters around here. Our team has some real problems, and the biggest ones is our lack of flexibility with our defense and inability to adjust and win at football chess. I'm seriously hoping that Big Mike implements some things that get us over that hump because if he does I think you will see Dak putting up 30 a game quite honestly... If you look back to when we played the Saints last year with Teddy Bridgewater at QB you will see that that game mirrored the Ram's game quite a bit.

The Ram's dinked and dunked us and had big runs after the catch and we had no answer for how they kept our defense off balance. The big problem with the Ram's game was the freckled puppet or Kellen the Beaver Moore kept forcing runs up the middle which was ludicrous considering the Saints defensive line.

Our issues are in the trenches, we gotta get that figured out along with more advanced coaching. I'm not ready to write off our coaches though, they deserve a full season before I do that.

30 points per game? With this o-line...against playoff teams? I'll give you the cupcakes...but the big boys? This line looks worse on paper than last year's version. Connor Williams may or may not have improved and Looney ain't the long-term answer at center. If Collins can't stay healthy on the right side (once he returns) it's going to be a long year for the offense...especially without a legitimate tight end. Cooper, Gallup and Cobb vs. Cooper, Gallup and Lamb is basically a wash. I don't see how this year's offense is potentially better than last year's. There has been more subtraction than addition...and in all the wrong places.

MikeB80 · Sep 19, 2020

Whyjerry said:
I think he also did a nice job with his feet. Couple of big runs there. The 4th Q wasn't great but that was more Donald going crazy and being unblockable than Dak making mistakes. I am a big Dak fan. Not sure if I am a $40MM per Dak fan but I think he is a good QB.

he took off on a third down in the second quarter and gained five yards and a first down....lamb was completely alone on a crossing route and might have run for 40 or more yards. Seems he should have thrown the ball to lamb the first round draft pick who was completely unaccounted for.

he also missed jarwin on another third down in what would have been an easy walk in touchdown...he beat the safety and was wide open. Dak chose to throw to lamb right at the sticks....the throw was terrible and they got no points on the drive.

DuncanIso · Sep 19, 2020

Aven8 said:
The only thing that frightened me was our defense getting blown off the ball, and looking like they were playing in slow motion early on, and the interior Oline. Outside of that we played pretty well.

The D looked like they weren’t prepared for fast real football, which is understandable.

agree.

the defense gave us no chance.

Rams ran well and controlled the clock.

johneric8 · Sep 19, 2020

CowboyoWales said:
So he's "one of the superior players", but we still lose.

The same as last year - Dak ranked top 4 QB's and we still go 8-8.

This is a top 3 ranked offense, and we dont score against good teams on a regular basis.

Whoever said it on here, was right, he doesnt lose the game, but he doesnt win them .....for $40m you'd expect it.

The point that you refuse to acknowledge is that there is a comedy of errors and bad luck that have contributed to some of these loses. Yes, he has had a few poor games as all qb's have, but dak is typically is one of the big reasons were competitive, it's the other areas of the team and the inconsistency that makes many of the daks good games overlooked.

We can talk about our offensive talent all you want, but we all know that at this point and last year it was overrated. As I said before, it's easy to see when watching these games that it's not dak, he can do it all. If that pass interference wasn't called everyone is calling him clutch. In fact, he played a very good game, go watch the tape and see him running for his life with no time to throw.

Brax · Sep 19, 2020

Zordon said:
Our 50M qb, with his running back having a great game, could not get us the lead in that 2nd half despite it being a one possession game the entire 2nd half and our defense only allowing 7 pts in that 2nd half. By the way time of possession was equal in the 2nd half when we scored only 3 pts.

It's obvious to me some of you have forgotten what great qb play looks like.

Have to remember some of these guys call Aikman a JAG, Staubach average because he only won 2 SB's not the 4. Stop putting up facts you do know PFF had him as the 5th best QB just disregard the 3 points you saw him put up in the second half, stats are all that count, it was everyone else's fault, Ref's ,OL, D, bad play calls, WR drops. no TE, coaches, game plan. OC, HC. Get with it Dak is elite if you can't see that you are blind, the eye test only works to confirm his elite level.

I rewatched the Rams game and Dak was not the issue

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