Don’t blame Dak!

Northern_Cowboy · Sep 19, 2020

Nav22 said:
Every year, there are some good QBs whose teams have mediocre records. That’s football.

Drew Brees went 21-26 (7 wins/year) between 2014-16. Does that mean Brees wasn’t a good QB in those years?

Brees did go 21-26 in those years coming off the previous 5 years of 55-25 with a SB win and tons of playoff experience. All teams go thru a rebuilding phase at some point even the Saints and that is what happenned in those years. Get back to me when Dak has a run like that with a SB win (and SB MVP) or "Offensive Player of the year" the following season or consecutive years with playoff appearances and then Dak will get some slack

PAPPYDOG · Sep 19, 2020

Nav22 said:
Every year, there are some good QBs whose teams have mediocre records. That’s football.

Drew Brees went 21-26 (7 wins/year) between 2014-16. Does that mean Brees wasn’t a good QB in those years?

If you're calling our offensive talent mediocre than there is no hope for Dak as its as good as it gets talent-wise for any NFL QB!

Philmonroe · Sep 19, 2020

Northern_Cowboy said:
Brees did go 21-26 in those years coming off the previous 5 years of 55-25 with a SB win and tons of playoff experience. All teams go thru a rebuilding phase at some point even the Saints and that is what happenned in those years. Get back to me when Dak has a run like that with a SB win (and SB MVP) or "Offensive Player of the year" the following season or consecutive years with playoff appearances and then Dak will get some slack

Dak got his slack in 2017 because of his rookie year. Now folks still looking for slack for this average QB

ElGatoGrande · Sep 19, 2020

shabazz said:
Garrett was enamored with Rayne

I never got that impression at all, he worked with Dak a lot but that's just a coach trying to make his guy better. Jerry on the other hand,,,

I really do think I'm going to sit this season out or at least drastically curtail my viewing. Call me when Goodell is fired and the Boys have a solution at QB.

johneric8 · Sep 19, 2020

USArmyVet said:
Sorry but most agree the OPI was a legitimate call so you can't use that to somehow excuse Dak's performance when comparing the 1st Half to the 2nd Half.

Dak 1st Half

15 for 18 83.3% Comp % 187 Yards 1 TD

Dak 2nd Half

10 for 21 47.6% Comp % 79 Yards

What a joke your post is. The fact is, the pass was clutch and beautifully thrown and the call could of gone either way. If the interference wasn't called, and it shouldn't of been, that would of been the definition of clutch, but keep on pushing a narrative.. Hell, most of you guys are just waiting around for Dak to lose to say "See I told you so".. How lame is that?

Here are some winning Qb's numbers from week one.

Baker Mayfield- 60 CMP% 219 yards 2 TD 1 interception
Jared Goff- 64% CMP 275 yards 0 TD and 1 interception.

If you look at some of the better QB performances you will notice that Dak has outdone those in the past, so it's not like he isn't capable. Once again, it's a team game, but keep on keeping on...

PAPPYDOG · Sep 19, 2020

cowboybish said:
Hey it’s easy to pass blame around but with under a minute to go DP dropped a perfectly thrown pass to Gallup and a bs call killed the game. We would have a least kick a FG but more likely would have scored 7 to win.

May I dare to ask what he did the rest of the 2nd Half?
I could have scored 3 pts handing off to Zeke....

dckid · Sep 19, 2020

cowboybish said:
Hey it’s easy to pass blame around but with under a minute to go DP dropped a perfectly thrown pass to Gallup and a bs call killed the game. We would have a least kick a FG but more likely would have scored 7 to win.

Not even a Dak supporter but he is good enough to win. The team has to get better. Dak is severely criticized because he replaced Romo the ultimate underachiever. The dictionary definition of coming up small in big games. Yes he was very good but I never ever ever expected him to win against the Pack in 2014, the Vikes in 2009. I did expect him to beat the Giants in 2007 maybe because I hadn’t see him lose so many do or die games.

dckid · Sep 19, 2020

cowboybish said:
Hey it’s easy to pass blame around but with under a minute to go DP dropped a perfectly thrown pass to Gallup and a bs call killed the game. We would have a least kick a FG but more likely would have scored 7 to win.

Dak has been the ultimate value proposition over the past 5 years. It’s on the FO for not hiring a capable coaching staff. McCarthy is good but he is not a McVay, Shanahan, Kliff type of coach.
Imagine if this team had a Kyle Shanahan offense???? The Talent acquisition by the FO on offense is very good.

USArmyVet · Sep 19, 2020

Nav22 said:
So you cite 2 people who agree with you, and that means “most” agree with you?

I could name a half dozen other ex-players and coaches who disagree, plus the former ref-turned-analyst who worked for NBC during the game itself.

The OPI not being Dak’s fault means Dak still gets credit for a tremendous throw in the clutch. I’m sorry that doesn’t fit your narrative, just like the fact that our pass protection was awful doesn’t fit your narrative.

Psst... Dak still nearly overcame this and led his team to a win anyways. Ranked 5th-best QB by PFF and 9th-best by ESPN’s Total QBR. You can keep incorrectly blaming him until you’re blue in the face if it makes you feel better.

....and you keep defending him until you are blue in the face........I am certain that will get you exactly where Dak has gotten Dallas: NOWHERE.

USArmyVet · Sep 19, 2020

Nav22 said:
Every year, there are some good QBs whose teams have mediocre records. That’s football.

Drew Brees went 21-26 (7 wins/year) between 2014-16. Does that mean Brees wasn’t a good QB in those years?

Yet you conveniently leave out the fact that from 2009-2013 Drew Brees led his team to a record of 55-24 or that from 2017-2020 Drew Brees led his team to a record of 33-10....oh, and he led his team to the playoffs every one of the years I referenced to include 2 NFC Championship game appearances and 1 Super Bowl victory.

So, I do not think it wise to mention Drew Brees when trying to defend Dak Prescott.

USArmyVet · Sep 19, 2020

johneric8 said:
What a joke your post is. The fact is, the pass was clutch and beautifully thrown and the call could of gone either way. If the interference wasn't called, and it shouldn't of been, that would of been the definition of clutch, but keep on pushing a narrative.. Hell, most of you guys are just waiting around for Dak to lose to say "See I told you so".. How lame is that?

Here are some winning Qb's numbers from week one.

Baker Mayfield- 60 CMP% 219 yards 2 TD 1 interception
Jared Goff- 64% CMP 275 yards 0 TD and 1 interception.

If you look at some of the better QB performances you will notice that Dak has outdone those in the past, so it's not like he isn't capable. Once again, it's a team game, but keep on keeping on...

Thanks for playing but Baker Mayfield and the Browns lost in Week 1.....talk about 'pathetic posts'.....get your facts straight before stepping on the field to play with the big boys.

Nav22 · Sep 19, 2020

Northern_Cowboy said:
Brees did go 21-26 in those years coming off the previous 5 years of 55-25 with a SB win and tons of playoff experience. All teams go thru a rebuilding phase at some point even the Saints and that is what happenned in those years. Get back to me when Dak has a run like that with a SB win (and SB MVP) or "Offensive Player of the year" the following season or consecutive years with playoff appearances and then Dak will get some slack

So according to you, Brees was still a good QB in those years... thus confirming that you know that judging a QB solely on wins/losses is a dumb thing to do.

Thanks for confirming! Kills your anti-Dak argumemt. Destroys it.
:thumbup:

Nav22 · Sep 19, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
If you're calling our offensive talent mediocre than there is no hope for Dak as its as good as it gets talent-wise for any NFL QB!

You should know that you’re considered a joke here. I never once said that, Short Bus.

USArmyVet · Sep 19, 2020

Nav22 said:
You should know that you’re considered a joke here. I never once said that, Short Bus.

All you do is name call people like a child. You can't view things objectively but rather through your Dak fan covered glasses. The minute someone disagrees with them you discount them and attack them personally. That is sad.

Have a nice day.

PS
Yes, I would say Brees was considered a good QB considered he won a Super Bowl prior to the years you referenced. So, when Dak wins a Super Bowl and then has a few bad seasons then he will be considered a good QB too but until then......he is what he is.

CowboyRoy · Sep 19, 2020

cowboybish said:
Hey it’s easy to pass blame around but with under a minute to go DP dropped a perfectly thrown pass to Gallup and a bs call killed the game. We would have a least kick a FG but more likely would have scored 7 to win.

Fans always blame the thing they like least. For me, there is always a couple of places to lay blame. Dak deserves some blame, but for me there were much bigger issues.

And yah, he drove them down for the tying FG and MM blew it. Then he threw the clutch, game winning bomb and the BS PI.

Nav22 · Sep 19, 2020

USArmyVet said:
....and you keep defending him until you are blue in the face........I am certain that will get you exactly where Dak has gotten Dallas: NOWHERE.

Dak’s 40-25 as a starter despite mediocre defense and coaching.

His overall stats are terrific.

He’s never missed a start and teammates/coaches universally rave about his leadership.

He’s making $31.4M this year to be the starting QB of America’s Team and will make even more than that next year.

What an underachieving failure!!! Tell us all about YOUR tremendous successes, PLEASE!!!
:lmao2:

CowboyRoy · Sep 19, 2020

USArmyVet said:
Sorry but most agree the OPI was a legitimate call so you can't use that to somehow excuse Dak's performance when comparing the 1st Half to the 2nd Half.

Dak 1st Half

15 for 18 83.3% Comp % 187 Yards 1 TD

Dak 2nd Half

10 for 21 47.6% Comp % 79 Yards

No, actually most agree it was BS. The commentators during the game, ESPN, even Steven A Smith thought it was a BS call.

johneric8 · Sep 19, 2020

USArmyVet said:
Thanks for playing but Baker Mayfield and the Browns lost in Week 1.....talk about 'pathetic posts'.....get your facts straight before stepping on the field to play with the big boys.

My bad, thought they won.. either way, look at the stats, many winning Qb's aren't the reason their team won. If Dak really is as bad as you guys say he is and can't win big games, this season shall tell all.. I just don't see what many of you are seeing.. I see a team that is overall just not getting the job done. These receivers need to make some of these clutch plays and they aren't, the online needs to quit being amoung the worst in the NFL, and the defense needs to actually look like it's fielding an NFL defense.

USArmyVet · Sep 19, 2020

Nav22 said:
Dak’s 40-25 as a starter despite mediocre defense and coaching.

His overall stats are terrific.

He’s never missed a start and teammates/coaches universally rave about his leadership.

He’s making $31.4M this year to be the starting QB of America’s Team and will make even more than that next year.

What an underachieving failure!!! Tell us all about YOUR tremendous successes, PLEASE!!!

My successes are that of a father, a husband, a brother, a son, a friend, and a veteran.......

Nav22 · Sep 19, 2020

USArmyVet said:
Yet you conveniently leave out the fact that from 2009-2013 Drew Brees led his team to a record of 55-24 or that from 2017-2020 Drew Brees led his team to a record of 33-10....oh, and he led his team to the playoffs every one of the years I referenced to include 2 NFC Championship game appearances and 1 Super Bowl victory.

So, I do not think it wise to mention Drew Brees when trying to defend Dak Prescott.

Too dense to understand the point that Brees’ poor record in 2014-16 is proof that even a 1st ballot HOFer like Brees can have poor seasons record-wise, thus proving that it’s BEYOND stupid to judge a QB solely on wins and losses?

Yep. You’re just too dense.
:laugh:

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