Coaching change doesn't change results for Dallas Cowboys

AsthmaField · Sep 19, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Like I said earlier this site was basically repeating what I’d seen in other Local media outlets.

Right and it was just speculation from the whole lot of them.

Unless you have a quote from someone in the organization talking about the Moore hire... I mean other than McCarthy saying it was his decision to hire Moore.

Diehardblues · Sep 19, 2020

AsthmaField said:
Right and it was just speculation from the whole lot of them.

The publication which I can’t use is where I recall the story originated. And our local tv stations I recall picking up on it as well.

Anyone following the local media would have read or heard about it.

Those type of reports are usually speculative. But they are much closer to the situation than anyone else outside the organization,

AsthmaField · Sep 19, 2020

Diehardblues said:
The publication which I can’t use is where I recall the story originated. And our local tv stations I recall picking up on it as well.

Anyone following the local media would have read or heard about it.

Right, and “The Publication Not To Be Named” had no source either. It was speculation based off of their perception of Jerry.

Dre11 · Sep 19, 2020

CouchCoach said:
If you watch a replay of that, he couldn't get any further down the field, he had players where he wanted to go and had to go parallel down the line until he could move up the field.

that's because Shultz was too shallow

Diehardblues · Sep 19, 2020

AsthmaField said:
Right, and “The Publication Not To Be Named” had no source either. It was speculation based off of their perception of Jerry.

Their beat writers are really the most trusted voices outside of the organization. If anyone can uncover it’s usually them.

Im always surprised how some of these internet fans don’t trust the local beat writers and media. I’m not even sure if they follow it. It’s the most detailed and inside information on our franchise outside the PR status quo we see from our organization.

I’m much more likely to be aligned with them than the rhetoric coming from our organizations podium.

AsthmaField · Sep 19, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Their beat writers are really the most trusted voices outside of the organization. If anyone can uncover it’s usually them.

Im always surprised how some of these internet fans don’t trust the local beat writers and media. I’m not even sure if they follow it. It’s the most detailed and inside information on our franchise outside the PR status quo we see from our organization.

I’m much more likely to be aligned with them than the rhetoric coming from our organizations podium.

I’ve been reading DMN for a long time too. When they hear it from the team, they say it was “from a source” or they give the person’s name that told them. When they don’t, it is simply them speculating based off of their own perceptions, a.k.a. giving their opinions.

They didn’t say the Moore hiring because of Jerry was from a source. It was simply their best guess... and then people like you read it and feel comfortable going around spouting it as if it’s a fact.

It happens way to often with the media and the public.

Diehardblues · Sep 19, 2020

AsthmaField said:
I’ve been reading DMN for a long time too. When they hear it from the team, they say it was “from a source” or they give the person’s name that told them. When they don’t, it is simply them speculating based off of their own perceptions, a.k.a. giving their opinions.

They didn’t say the Moore hiring because of Jerry was from a source. It was simply their best guess... and then people like you read it and feel comfortable going around spouting it as if it’s a fact.

It happens way to often with the media and the public.

Like I said I often align myself with their insights and speculations. Which in this case makes the most sense to me.

Can’t imagine an offensive minded OC/HC wanting to come with an entire staff by his choosing but OC. And one with only 1 year experience and not knowing the offense. And then knowing how big Jerry was on him with Jerry’s meddling history. Not sure why it wouldn’t make sense to everyone?

And remember, if you believe it to be true you present as such.

blueblood70 · Sep 19, 2020

stasheroo said:
This is agenda on full display.

A person who tried to make every excuse in the book for Jason Garrett - for 10 years!

Who now wants to question Super Bowl winning coach Mike McCarthy - after one game.

It sure not hard to spot the person who looks foolish.

SteveTheCowboy · Sep 19, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Part of the article was also calling out the over hyped and optimism leading into the season.

These articles are often written in a critics perspective not a Fanatic or Cheerleader mentality which generally more align with my fandom and outlook , and why I shared.

Better results will impact these perspectives.

That's cool. I guess that's why I have some...challenges. I am TOTALLY and COMPL:ETYELY in a FAN perspective and the alleged expert critics can go straight to he double hockey sticks.

AsthmaField · Sep 19, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Like I said I often align myself with their insights and speculations. Which in this case makes the most sense to me.

Can’t imagine an offensive minded OC/HC wanting to come with an entire staff by his choosing but OC. And one with only 1 year experience and not knowing the offense. And then knowing how big Jerry was on him with Jerry’s meddling history. Not sure why it wouldn’t make sense to everyone?

And remember, if you believe it to be true you present as such.

You align yourself with whatever point of view backs whatever agenda that you’re currently trying to push... which is usually that Jerry sucks, Stephen sucks, and that the Cowboys will never be successful until they are gone. In this case it is that Jerry hasn’t changed enough to give a coach full control over his staff, because that would mean that Jerry is learning and getting better.

And you presented the Moore hire correctly in another thread, today. You said that you agreed with the speculation that Jerry pushed Mike to hire Kellen. That is exactly correct and presented as it should be and not as fact. I’ll never question that.

You present it as fact when you’re trying to persuade people into believing that it is a fact. Using your own words: you’re “planting seeds”, as you put it.

It is transparent, which is why you get called out by people for having an agenda.

Rockport · Sep 19, 2020

Diehardblues said:
2020 was supposed to be a new era for the Dallas Cowboys but, in Week 1, Mike McCarthy’s tenure began in a similar way to how Jason Garrett left things.

DALLAS — If the debut result at SoFi Stadium is to be believed, and seeing is believing, then you were fooled and hoodwinked by the Dallas Cowboys. If you bought into the hype, as most observers of the team did, then the Mike McCarthy era had an inauspicious beginning.

All summer, without seeing a single snap from the Cowboys on either side of the ball, there was an outpouring of optimism for the perpetually optimistic franchise. The organization had brought in talent and changed the majority of the coaching staff, which was supposed to be one of the biggest problems that led to an 8-8 season without a playoff appearance for Dallas in 2019.

Full story attached..and added excepts in following post
https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article...boys/287-809d52aa-e860-4bbc-bdb0-e05e501d10e4

Wow, so many quitters who quit after just 1 week. I expected better.

RS12 · Sep 19, 2020

I will determine that based on playoff success but for the record record I was like warm on the MM hire and ice cold on the Moore retention.

Diehardblues · Sep 19, 2020

AsthmaField said:
You align yourself with whatever point of view backs whatever agenda that you’re currently trying to push... which is usually that Jerry sucks, Stephen sucks, and that the Cowboys will never be successful until they are gone. In this case it is that Jerry hasn’t changed enough to give a coach full control over his staff, because that would mean that Jerry is learning and getting better.

And you presented the Moore hire correctly in another thread, today. You said that you agreed with the speculation that Jerry pushed Mike to hire Kellen. That is exactly correct and presented as it should be and not as fact. I’ll never question that.

You present it as fact when you’re trying to persuade people into believing that it is a fact. Using your own words: you’re “planting seeds”, as you put it.

It is transparent, which is why you get called out by people for having an agenda.

This is an opinion driven forum not a news service. I’d assume everything presented isn’t a fact.

Like I said. If you believe it to be true you present as such.

Everyone has an agenda here presenting their opinion or perspective. Yes, planting my seeds. That’s all part of an opinion driven format.

Diehardblues · Sep 19, 2020

Rockport said:
Wow, so many quitters who quit after just 1 week. I expected better.

Obviously you didn’t read the article just responding to the title. This was only a reaction from Week 1 not the season.

And I think if you read in its entirety many would agree with the assessment after 1 week. Next week and beyond could be a different narrative

Rockport · Sep 19, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Obviously you didn’t read the article just responding to the title. This was only a reaction from Week 1 not the season.

And I think if you read in its entirety many would agree with the assessment after 1 week. Next week and beyond could be a different narrative

Yes, all I got from the title is negativity. Let’s give it a few games before quitting. Not saying you are.

Diehardblues · Sep 19, 2020

Rockport said:
Yes, all I got from the title is negativity. Let’s give it a few games before quitting. Not saying you are.

If you’d read the entire article it said nothing about quitting or the season was over. Just an evaluation and perspective of the results after Week 1.

One I agree with much and why I shared. I don’t expect everyone to see it the same.

Rockport · Sep 19, 2020

Diehardblues said:
If you’d read the entire article it said nothing about quitting or the season was over. Just an evaluation and perspective of the results after Week 1.

One I agree with much and why I shared. I don’t expect everyone to see it the same.

Anyone who concludes anything about the team after 1 game has a few screws lose.

Praxit · Sep 19, 2020

stasheroo said:
This is agenda on full display.

A person who tried to make every excuse in the book for Jason Garrett - for 10 years!

Who now wants to question Super Bowl winning coach Mike McCarthy - after one game.

It sure not hard to spot the person who looks foolish.

...no kidding, sometimes I just feel baffled by people.

KJJ · Sep 19, 2020

The fans and many in the media continue to overrate the roster. The Cowboys supposedly have one of the most talented rosters in the entire league at least on paper according to many but it seldom shows up on the field. Despite a new HC and coaching staff what we saw last Sunday is what we saw last season. Tyron and Zach appear to have declined some and DLaw hasn’t shown up since he signed his new contract. We’re only one game into the season we’ll see what happens tomorrow. If not much changes from what we saw last week then it is what it is and the Cowboys aren’t very good.

cern · Sep 19, 2020

AsthmaField said:
Right, and “The Publication Not To Be Named” had no source either. It was speculation based off of their perception of Jerry.

I'm from dfw and saw no such reports or heard any retorts purporting such a thing. I look forward to seeing how the coaches respond to o-line, lb and cb recent problems. If they can overcome these obstacles tomorrow, it will speak well for the cowboys.

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