You can only take one: Belicheat or Brady in his prime!

KJJ said:

Brady was a bus driver for one season when he took over for Bledsoe. He was an inexperienced QB who was forced into a starting role. The next three seasons he tossed 79 TD passes. Tom Brady has always been a real QB. Belichick has never won a ring as an HC without Tom Brady. Belichick was on the road to getting fired again as an HC until Brady took over for Bledsoe. He would have been back to being a coordinator.

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Adreme said:

And Brady is nothing without BB to carry him. He was an okay QB. To give context, Stafford would win 6 rings with BB. So yes needed a decent player to build around, but Brady lucked into being in that situation because there were about 15 QBs who could have done exactly the same thing. Even the 3 years after when you cite, he was hardly lighting the world aflame because they were a defensive team and Tom's job was to drive the bus and not mess up so the defense could carry. The difference between Brady and Manning during those years was that Manning was forcing throws to try and win the game whereas Brady's job was to simply not lose the game..

Brady's best years were the years when they were 1 and done and sometimes 2 and done in the playoffs which I do not really put on Brady but it showed that they really needed a defense to win championships.

Right now the Patriots are going to win their division (yes I am calling it early) with a career sub 60% passer whose best years are behind him. They went 11-5 with a QB who was worse than most team's backups. BB just shows that he can win games with just about anyone now which shows he is even better than he was when he first started as a head coach.

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KJJ said:

I stopped reading when you said Brady was an okay QB. Not wasting anymore time with this.

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Adreme said:

Sorry, but that is the reality of what he was those 3 years you cited. Being a fanboy doesn't change reality.

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Captain43Crash said:

I take Belicheat every time. Coaching is so important in football. Belicheat can take his and beat yours, and take yours and beat his!

1.His teams are almost always prepared for the other team, and if their not he will make adjustments throughout the game to help his teams chances of winning.

2. His players, are team players. It is drummed into their heads to, “do your job”. Do you ever see NE DE’s get fulled by a boot leg. Almost never!

3. He takes advantage of his players strengths and teams strengths. See his offense with Cam compared to Brady.

4. He is the master, some would say master cheater, at using the rules to his teams advantage.

5. His teams very seldom beat themselves. They don’t make dumb mistakes.

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xwalker said:

I'm convinced that Romo would have won multiple Super Bowls if he had been in New England with Brady in Dallas.

Brady with Garrett has OC or HC would have won zero.

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Diehardblues said:

If they’d both been surrounded with identical talent I might agree.

Patriots had a top 5-10 defense most years they won Super Bowl. Although Brady did take a 31st ranked Defense one year to SB in defeat. Which I doubt Romo could have done.

Brady was a much more prolific passer standing in the pocket. All of those years in Dallas without an OL Brady would have struggled. Romo on the other hand more of a playmaker . Extending plays and making the most of a bad situation.

Brady came up clutch on the biggest stages. Romo didn’t always have his best or clutch performances on the biggest stages in the playoffs.

I’d give the edge to Romo in New England just because any situation with Jerry is an obstacle to overcome with dysfunctional organization.

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xwalker said:

I didn't say that Romo would win as many Super Bowls as Brady, just that he would have won multiple if he had played for the Patriots and Belichick.

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EMMITTnROY said:

I think Brady is the luckiest athlete of all time. Is he great? Yes. But between having Belichick as coach, the best offensive coordinator and scheme, the easiest division that led to a bye and home field advantage every season, all those controversial wins, all those close wins by a field goal, the cheating, and Atlanta and Seattle having two Super Bowls won and then just handing them over, marrying a woman worth half a billion dollars so he could start taking discount salaries, everything has always gone Brady’s way. He’s great. But he’s always been very lucky.

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Diehardblues said:

That’s still subjective in nature. We’ve seen what Bill has done without Brady. While winning 11 games with the defending SB champ with Cassel after Brady went down was only season in Brady era Bill didn’t make the playoffs.

And while Bill built a good Browns team before it collapsed after the announcement to move to Baltimore he couldn’t advance deep in the playoffs. We will learn more now that had Brady has left.

But I’d argue Bill is the greatest defense guru in the league . An extension of his great years as DC with Giants and Parcells. Everywhere he’s gone has built great defenses. And he and Brady will go down as the greatest QB/ HC combo in NFL history.

I wouldn’t assume anyone else would have come close to their achievements. It was a perfect storm.

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