We need to find Tyron Smith replacement

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Verdict said:
I have said this before and I will say it again.... we need to be ready to plug in Tyron Smith’s replacement. He is in a constant state of injury. I don’t blame him...he has a lot of miles on his body.

We really should have replaced Sean Lee too. He is made of glass, way past his prime, and planning on using him is an exercise in futility.
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We definitely need a day 2 offensive tackle in the draft. I doubt we will find a guy in FA that doesn't cost a ton.

I think we can still get a few more years from Tyron but I want a guy with real potential behind him.
 
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I know our FO is deserving of criticism, but we did draft Jaylon and LVE. It's not as if they ignored the Sean Lee dilemma. At the same time I have to wonder if they would consider moving LC to LT and replacing our RT position. In both cases we need LBs and Tackles next off-season, although the youngsters were surprisingly not terrible yesterday.
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Not sure Jaylon and lve solved the lee dilemma at all.
 
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starfan1 said:
please dont use the pro bowl as a measuring stick its not. Tyron is still serviceable and when healthy is top 5 in league the problem is we have to use that clarifier
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You know when people say Pro Bowl isn't a measuring stick......I do agree that isn't how to gauge guys but I ask when has a bum ever made the Pro Bowl? I know people are going to say Jaylon but he wasn't a full bum and he probably made it a year later than he should've.
 
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We are only 2 weeks in here so we have to see what happens but yes it looks more and more that tyron is gonna be injury prone here in his later career years. I’ll give him the benefit of this doubt still on this year and hope he turns it around as it’s only week 2 and maybe proactively they wanted him to sit out.

curious tho and just hypothetically let’s say he comes back and stays healthy and plays 13 games or so at a high level- it may be a chance to gauge interest in him around the league. Not saying you bite but that’s a sell high opportunity for Dallas and I wonder what he’d be able to fetch.
 
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Verdict said:
I have said this before and I will say it again.... we need to be ready to plug in Tyron Smith’s replacement. He is in a constant state of injury. I don’t blame him...he has a lot of miles on his body.

We really should have replaced Sean Lee too. He is made of glass, way past his prime, and planning on using him is an exercise in futility.
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Should have gotten someone a few years ago to groom. Not sure if Williams is capable or not. I heard he used to play that position.
 
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wecasa said:
Not sure Jaylon and lve solved the lee dilemma at all.
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I think the point that poster was making was that the Cowboys did try to improve the linebacker spot, although with guys with red flags to replace the guy with red flags.

2nd rounder on Smith and a 1st on LVE. It's a shame cause I honestly believe the 2018 LVE wasn't a mirage, but I doubt we'll see that against due to possible mental block due to his neck.
 
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I think the point that poster was making was that the Cowboys did try to improve the linebacker spot, although with guys with red flags to replace the guy with red flags.

2nd rounder on Smith and a 1st on LVE. It's a shame cause I honestly believe the 2018 LVE wasn't a mirage, but I doubt we'll see that against due to possible mental block due to his neck.
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I get that. But knowing Jaylon was coming off of major knee surgery and the history of lve's neck. Seems like risky business. Joe Thomas comes in and looks to be the best lber on the roster. Just not a good use of high draft pick to draft guys with red flag injuries.
 
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wecasa said:
Not sure Jaylon and lve solved the lee dilemma at all.
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Nope me neither. Not saying they did, only that we attempted to address the problem and at one point it looked very promising. Back to the drawing board.
 
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rocyaice said:
Yeah I have no issue with how they handled it but in hindsight....they need to stay away from injury prone linebackers.You can get away with that at probably any other position but who takes more contact on the defensive side of the ball than the linebackers? You need to be durable to play that position.

I have no issue with the Jaylon pick. It was a risk...its debatable if its paying off. If LVE had injury flags that was too early to draft a guy with those neck problems.
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Just had this conversation, and said the same thing. I dont know why we would draft someone with those type of red flags.
 
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A forward thinking FO would prioritize his replacement. He has been "managing" his back for a while now. Unfortunately this FO will probably prioritize getting Dak a TE in in the 2021 draft. Trenches still win football games. Always have, always will.
 
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wecasa said:
I get that. But knowing Jaylon was coming off of major knee surgery and the history of lve's neck. Seems like risky business. Joe Thomas comes in and looks to be the best lber on the roster. Just not a good use of high draft pick to draft guys with red flag injuries.
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No argument there. I still think the Smith pick was the wrong pick for where the team wanted to be at for 2016/one last shot with Romo.
The pick the win now RB with the 4th overal pick, then use the 36th overall to pick a LB who was a question mark if he would ever play again, let alone at what level.
I did like the LVE pick, but didn't know he had that spinal defect when he was drafted. Honestly, don't know why they thought a LB would be a worthy pick with a spinal defect in round 1 and IIRC they knew back then about the stenosis. But his play back in 2018 was a refreshing sight to see.
 

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DuncanIso said:
133 games

He's easily got 2-3 seasons left. [48 games]

He's still playing at an elite level.
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If he can stay on the field. His missed games for 5 straight seasons now and at some point, one of these injuries is going to cost him more than 2-3 games a year. That doesn't mean you chuck him on the scrap heap, but if you have an opportunity to add a big time OT in the draft, you'd be wise to take it. It would be foolish to keep planning on Smith being healthy and holding down the LT spot for 3-5 more years.
 
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Verdict said:
I have said this before and I will say it again.... we need to be ready to plug in Tyron Smith’s replacement. He is in a constant state of injury. I don’t blame him...he has a lot of miles on his body.

We really should have replaced Sean Lee too. He is made of glass, way past his prime, and planning on using him is an exercise in futility.
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Doesn’t those 3 games a year help you develope his eventual replacement
We aren’t using a top pick on a tackle anytime soon but ideally you develope a solid player along the way
 
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buybuydandavis said:
Tyron went to the last 7 Pro Bowls. He was ~10mil in salary cap hit before his restructure. Next year will be 10.5. That's a good deal.

I would hold off on retiring him until he *doesn't* make the Pro Bowl.

And this "constant state of injury". Tyron missed 12 games in the last 4 years.

Collins missed 14 in the last 4 years. Should we cut him too? He'll miss the first 3 games this year. Tyron has at least played a game this year.
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How many games has Tyron been on the cusp of not playing? It seems like a weekly occurrence. It seems like it is usually his back, and they don’t usually get better.
 
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isn’t he only 29?
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They over trained with the previous Strength and Conditioning coach.

Tyron has benched over 600 with 36-3/8" arms which is similar to LA benching 700 with 33" arms.

Tyron was more than strong enough when he benched 500.

I certain he was doing some insane weight on squats which probably caused his back problems.
 
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rocyaice said:
You know when people say Pro Bowl isn't a measuring stick......I do agree that isn't how to gauge guys but I ask when has a bum ever made the Pro Bowl? I know people are going to say Jaylon but he wasn't a full bum and he probably made it a year later than he should've.
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I get what you're saying ya Jaylon wasn't a bum (he didn't belong there)but being in Pro bowl is a popularity test moreso than a statement of your ability. Heck the fans have an impact on it and If i can judge fans on the basis of cowboy fans for a second here it certainly takes credibility away from the selection.

and then some of the folks that are chosen decide not to go then it even goes further down the talent scale. I can remember Flozell at the end of his career getting elected by name not ability. I have much more affection for the all pro status.
 
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starfan1 said:
I get what you're saying ya Jaylon wasn't a bum (he didn't belong there)but being in Pro bowl is a popularity test moreso than a statement of your ability. Heck the fans have an impact on it and If i can judge fans on the basis of cowboy fans for a second here it certainly takes credibility away from the selection.

and then some of the folks that are chosen decide not to go then it even goes further down the talent scale. I can remember Flozell at the end of his career getting elected by name not ability. I have much more affection for the all pro status.
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I agree its a popularity contest but it becomes that AFTER you get in.
 
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xwalker said:
They over trained with the previous Strength and Conditioning coach.

Tyron has benched over 600 with 36-3/8" arms which is similar to LA benching 700 with 33" arms.

Tyron was more than strong enough when he benched 500.

I certain he was doing some insane weight on squats which probably caused his back problems.
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My concern is that his injuries appear to be chronic. The weight lifting may very well be what caused the damage to his back and neck. If it’s chronic, where do we jump off?

His contract is Cowboys friendly, so the team is not looking to get out of it. Moreover his level of play is satisfactory when he actually plays. The big issue, as I see it, is that at some point he will no longer be able to play at all.

The Cowboys need to be prepared for that eventuality as it may be coming sooner rather than later, especially if we are going to pay Dak $40m per year with lots of guaranteed money.
 
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