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Witt didn't get in the end zone because they were too busy throwing to Dez, etc. He was not used properly in his last few years, Garrett refused to throw to him in the end zone with any regularity.

As far as 3rd and long, he was never fast, he was a complete tight end, unlike guys like Kelce, etc. whose blocking was laughable at best. Long throws wasn't his game.
His catch rate was never less than 71% his last 4 seasons at Dallas, that's what he was used for, to get yards because the other receivers had NO IDEA how to get open, he had to stay in and block a lot his last few years. None of that was his fault. He could have had more yards, catches and tds if he'd been used properly.

You know nothing about how valuable Witten was, NOTHING...

Yet Ertz, Kelce, and Gronk who cant compare to the greatest blanketed checkdown te ever have Superbowl Rings because of their production and your boy Witten is a Virgin at Ever winning Squat with all that Awesomeness.

Its really sad that they used Dez instead of Witten because he coulda won us some SUPERBOWLS instead of all that HEARTBREAK. LMAO
 

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What does this have to do with what I wrote? You can't just make up any commentary you want and pretend it somehow applies to what you quoted.

But if you want to talk about what the TE's have done this year, they were huge yesterday. Did you watch the game? I'm not saying they will continue to play as well, but your question was about how they are doing, not how they will do in the future.

As for Jarwin, he didn't "break down", he had an injury. That happens in football.

Bro you said in the oj howard thread not to get anyone.lmao.

We been talking about this same trash te core since Escobar, Hanna, and then Swaim and you still defending this checkdown 4 td a year te core even though they havent produced against a winning team in 6-7 years and you defend not using dual rbs or 4 Wrs on top of that Malarkey.

Isnt that right?

Or are you changing your tune.

I have as much money as youd like to put in it. Put up or zip it

7 years ive been right and 7 years yo tes have been all hype.

Guys playing above their greatness will get hurt more often. Everydown players are Elite Players. Not some washed up shell of a once great player. Thats our Benchmark under your your regime for 7 years. To replace the Scrub Te not the guy thats in his prime. Lmao.

Yall drinking too much koolaide
 
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Yet Ertz, Kelce, and Gronk who cant compare to the greatest blanketed checkdown te ever have Superbowl Rings because of their production and your boy Witten is a Virgin at Ever winning Squat with all that Awesomeness.

Its really sad that they used Dez instead of Witten because he coulda won us some SUPERBOWLS instead of all that HEARTBREAK. LMAO

Witten didn't coach the team, if you can't see that I can't help you.

Gee, thought we'd seen all the Witten haters long gone from this site when he went to the Raiders, guess some people just love beating a dead horse.

Got no use for haters...
 

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Bro you said in the oj howard thread not to get anyone.lmao.

We been talking about this same trash te core since Escobar, Hanna, and then Swaim and you still defending this checkdown 4 td a year te core even though they havent produced against a winning team in 6-7 years and you defend not using dual rbs or 4 Wrs on top of that Malarkey.

Isnt that right?

Or are you changing your tune.

I have as much money as youd like to put in it. Put up or zip it

7 years ive been right and 7 years yo tes have been all hype.

Guys playing above their greatness will get hurt more often. Everydown players are Elite Players. Not some washed up shell of a once great player. Thats our Benchmark under your your regime for 7 years. To replace the Scrub Te not the guy thats in his prime. Lmao.

Yall drinking too much koolaide
Maybe you somehow didn’t notice, but this isn’t the OJ Howard thread, and what you quoted was not what I said in the OJ Howard thread.

When you directly quote someone, the response is supposed to apply to what you quoted, not to some other post in some past thread on some other point that doesn’t apply to what you quoted.

Do you really not understand this?

But even so, you asked what the TEs have done this year, and when I told you they had a big game yesterday suddenly you start talking about past years and bets and other threads and other nonsense that doesn’t apply to things in the context of this discussion. You are either covering up your comments or have severe ADHD.
 

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What does this have to do with what I wrote? You can't just make up any commentary you want and pretend it somehow applies to what you quoted.

But if you want to talk about what the TE's have done this year, they were huge yesterday. Did you watch the game? I'm not saying they will continue to play as well, but your question was about how they are doing, not how they will do in the future.

As for Jarwin, he didn't "break down", he had an injury. That happens in football.
He wasnt even touched Rogers. I call that a Breakdown. Trying to do more than his God given Ability.

So do we need to run some dual rb formations and 4 wr formations on occasion or keep rolling with Schultz and the rest of these Bargain Basement tes dominating the Skilled players Snapcounts. Just like we do at Safety every year. Lmao.

Hurray and Answer with your te narcissism. I love tes too but not these sorry scrubs or the shell of the former hof te.

We can have a steak at every position besides te and we'll still go Playoffless using these scrub tes as everydown receivers. Lmao.

Your assessment is wrong going on 7 years and every year your Te Narcissism sounds great IN THEORY but there is NEVER ANY PAPER STATS TO BACK THEM UP!!!
 

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This was a game that Schultz can build on. As long as he works hard he can get better and you never know.

NFL history is packed with stories of players that found success only because of an unlikely opportunity.
 

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This was a game that Schultz can build on. As long as he works hard he can get better and you never know.

NFL history is packed with stories of players that found success only because of an unlikely opportunity.

1)He fumbled early in the Game. Lol
2)Almost caused an interception which he made a good play by batting the ball down.
3) also was part of the reason Dak fumbled because he waited too long to break up field.
4) had 3 drops in the first game

His 6 quarters of crap doesnt get overwritten by 2 good plays in 2 quarters. Hes more of a liability so far than an asset. Ive never seen a te that had no 50/50 Ball skills be all that great much less in a scheme that features them on every single passing play regardless of the Down and Distance.

The 2 plays that were good dont override the 6 plays that he peed his pants. Imo
 

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This was a game that Schultz can build on. As long as he works hard he can get better and you never know.

NFL history is packed with stories of players that found success only because of an unlikely opportunity.

I agree but man he does a lot of things precise and well.

He blocks well.. He finds the soft spots. He can move pretty quick.

You can just tell he has been studying Jason Witten and Zack Ertz because he does so many things just like them.

He's not super gifted but he's good enough and looks like he has worked hard on acquiring skill. He uses his hands to catch the ball too. Plucks it.



I wouldn't have said this directly after the game. It just looked like all volume but after watching it again.. Hes kind of good lol.
 

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He wasnt even touched Rogers. I call that a Breakdown. Trying to do more than his God given Ability.

So do we need to run some dual rb formations and 4 wr formations on occasion or keep rolling with Schultz and the rest of these Bargain Basement tes dominating the Skilled players Snapcounts. Just like we do at Safety every year. Lmao.

Hurray and Answer with your te narcissism. I love tes too but not these sorry scrubs or the shell of the former hof te.

We can have a steak at every position besides te and we'll still go Playoffless using these scrub tes as everydown receivers. Lmao.

Your assessment is wrong going on 7 years and every year your Te Narcissism sounds great IN THEORY but there is NEVER ANY PAPER STATS TO BACK THEM UP!!!
lol - still speaking to another topic and pretending it applies.

If you quote me in this thread, talk about what you quoted.

If you want to talk about something I said in the OJ Howard thread, find my comment that you want to talk about, quote it in that thread, and respond as you wish. I will then respond to you. But I'm not going to let you quote something I wrote in this thread, and respond to me in this thread, all the while pretending it's somehow relevant for you to talk about something I may have said on a different point in another thread a week or two ago.
 

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That will net us 8-8 bro.
If you dont see Schultz as a top target who can score and make plays at any down and distance in a mistake free manner you are settling for a scrub receiver on 40-50% of the plays.

You are basically telling me that The wrs and Rb can overcome his Lack of Talent instead of actually playing a Talented Player.

Is he a stud or you just think the other 5 skilled players can overcome his lack of sauce.

Ask yourself that question.

What if Cooper Gallop or Lamb go down. Do ya think schultz can make up that production.

Based upon snapcouts yes he is the main cog in our passing offense

You want a scrub receiver on 3rd and 20 or a Playmaker?
Name another TE in the league that can make up for the production of a lost WR. Do you think Kelce would make up for the loss of Tyreke Hill? Think Hayden Hurst will make up Julio Jones' production if he's out?
 

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lol - still speaking to another topic and pretending it applies.

If you quote me in this thread, talk about what you quoted.

If you want to talk about something I said in the OJ Howard thread, find my comment that you want to talk about, quote it in that thread, and respond as you wish. I will then respond to you. But I'm not going to let you quote something I wrote in this thread, and respond to me in this thread, all the while pretending it's somehow relevant for you to talk about something I may have said on a different point in another thread a week or two ago.

Okay. Once again. 7 years later Heres the Question Rogers. Lets just do it right now. Okay?

Do you think that we should run some of those 4 wr fomations 10 personell?

Do you think we should use some Dual RB formations?

Or do you still still think we can win a playoff game with this EXCLUSIVE 11 and 12 passing fomation?

Thats based upon the talent level at tes weve had for 6-7 years?

Whats your Take?
 

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1)He fumbled early in the Game. Lol
2)Almost caused an interception which he made a good play by batting the ball down.
3) also was part of the reason Dak fumbled because he waited too long to break up field.
4) had 3 drops in the first game

His 6 quarters of crap doesnt get overwritten by 2 good plays in 2 quarters. Hes more of a liability so far than an asset. Ive never seen a te that had no 50/50 Ball skills be all that great much less in a scheme that features them on every single passing play regardless of the Down and Distance.

The 2 plays that were good dont override the 6 plays that he peed his pants. Imo
You either didn't watch the game or are in serious denial.

First, none of what you wrote negates the point plasticman made about this game being something Schultz can build on. You seem to have trouble understanding and responding to the content of what you quote.

Second, the fumble was a mistake, but that doesn't change that he played well otherwise.

Third, the play he batted the ball was a jump ball on a pass that deflected at that line of scrimmage - he did what he could.

Fourth, while running a route he can't know immediately the pressure the QB is under in order to adjust his route - he has to get to the point in his route he is looking for the ball first.

Fifth, he had 2 drops in the first game, not 3, and nobody is excusing that. But plasticman's comment was about this game, so saying he had drops in the first game doesn't apply to what was said about this game. You repeatedly have problems understanding what you quote and responding appropriately.

And finally, if you only saw 2 meaningful plays in 2 quarters you either didn't watch the game or are so busy trying to fabricate an argument you are willing to ignore reality. Schultz had an outstanding game, catching 9 passes on 10 targets, a TD, and several drive sustainging 1st downs.

It's okay to not believe in Schultz going forward. I'm not convinced his future is bright either. But to not even be willing to admit to a good game shows you are all about an agenda and not about reasonable discussion.
 
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Name another TE in the league that can make up for the production of a lost WR. Do you think Kelce would make up for the loss of Tyreke Hill? Think Hayden Hurst will make up Julio Jones' production if he's out?

Thats very very very doubtful that the second best receiver is gonna make up for the best receiver on the team. Maybe a portion of it. Lmao.

But the second or third wr yes I think that is not out of reach for a stud Te.
 

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Okay. Once again. 7 years later Heres the Question Rogers. Lets just do it right now. Okay?

Do you think that we should run some of those 4 wr fomations 10 personell?

Do you think we should use some Dual RB formations?

Or do you still still think we can win a playoff game with this EXCLUSIVE 11 and 12 passing fomation?

Thats based upon the talent level at tes weve had for 6-7 years?

Whats your Take?
I never said there was anything wrong with running some 2 RB or 4 WR sets. Beyond that, you aren't hijacking this thread and pretending what you are saying applies to what you quoted. Again, if you want to talk about the OJ Howard thread, do so in the OJ Howard thread rather than quoting me in this thread and ridiculously pretending a response to something written a week or two ago on a different point in another thread makes sense. Learn how a site like this works - learn context - learn that when you quote a person the response your write is supposed to apply to that quote. Learn reason and logic.
 
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I and many of us didn’t see Schultz being able to contribute much.
I’m happy he surprised me today. Actually looked like an NFL TE.

Great game Schultz....
Now get some real shoulder pads.

Reminded me a little bit of prime Witten, working the underneath but with some ability to get downfield. Now, I didn't watch him blocking enough to know if he's anything close to prime Witten that way, but I liked what I saw.

Of course, this is just one game where the defense didn't really know much about him. He'll have to show he can do it week in, week out when defenses are preparing for him in order to be anything close to prime Witten.
 

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Witten didn't coach the team, if you can't see that I can't help you.

Gee, thought we'd seen all the Witten haters long gone from this site when he went to the Raiders, guess some people just love beating a dead horse.

Got no use for haters...

Im not a witten hater. Im a Witten playing every passing snap hater. Theres just too many skillsets he was missing to be an every passing snap player. Imo. If he cant win doing it in his prime what makes ya think jarwin schultz, swaim or escobar could win something. Really? Im just a realist who wants to win. This everydown te passing scheme is trash without a potentially gamechanging receiving te. They play too many snaps. They will put up zeros at the above .500 and Playoff level.
 

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I never said there was anything wrong with running some 2 RB or 4 WR sets. Beyond that, you aren't hijacking this thread and pretending what you are saying applies to what you quoted. Again, if you want to talk about the OJ Howard thread, do so in the OJ Howard thread rather than quoting me in this thread and ridiculously pretending a response to something written a week or two ago on a different point in another thread makes sense. Learn how a site like this works - learn context - learn that when you quote a person the response your write is supposed to apply to that quote. Learn reason and logic.

Is a dual rb formation or a 4 wr formation a more potent scheme on passing downs than the exclusive 11 or 12 formation is in your honest opinion based upon the talent at te?

Thats not based upon the 90s cowboys. Im talking going back 7 years to the present time? Not just one oj howard thread. Btw

Can this exclusive 11 and 12 personell contend for a Superbowl with Jarwin or schultz or #82 leading the charge? In your opinion.
 

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I and many of us didn’t see Schultz being able to contribute much.
I’m happy he surprised me today. Actually looked like an NFL TE.

Great game Schultz....
Now get some real shoulder pads.
we may be ok with him and "the Belldozer" :)
 

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Is a dual rb formation or a 4 wr formation a more potent scheme on passing downs than the 11 or 12 formation is in your honest opinion based upon the talent at te?

Thats not based upon the 90s cowboys. Im talking going back 7 years to the present time? Not just one oj howard thread. Btw

Can this 11 personell contend for a Superbowl with Jarwin or schultz or #82 leading the charge? In your opinion.
Nope. Again, if you want to talk about something we were discussing in another thread, then discuss it in that thread.

I'm not going to let you hijack this thread and deflect attention from the fact that with both me and others in this thread you keep quoting and responding in a way that doesn't even apply to what you quote. Again, learn to comprehend what someone writes, and respond to that.
 
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