MM explains his thought process of going for 2

stiletto · Sep 21, 2020

He can rationalize it all he wants but it was crazy. You absolutely kick the PAT there, get within one score and if they stop the 2 point conversion at the end then props to the other team. What he did pretty much made a total football miracle have to occur to win. It happened so he just got lucky this time. I am fast seeing why GB fans panned MM. That was just stupid.

JD_KaPow · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
So analytics is going to tell you that making 2 2 point conversions is more likely than making one? I don't think so.

There is no scenario here that involves making two 2-point conversions. A second two-point conversion doesn't help at all (well, unless you're trying to win in regulation by making them both). The discussion is about when you attempt the single two-point conversion you need.

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

TheSkaven said:
It was me. And yes, this is exactly it.

LOL...………"weeeeee its me"!!!! :lmao2:

RustyBourneHorse · Sep 21, 2020

JD_KaPow said:
There is no scenario here that involves making two 2-point conversions. A second two-point conversion doesn't help at all (well, unless you're trying to win in regulation by making them both). The discussion is about when you attempt the single two-point conversion you need.

Exactly! Before we scored that TD, it was a 15 point deficit. You MUST get A 2 point conversion in one of the 2 TDs that you need to score. You TAKE the first of 2 attempts to give you TIME to rally if you miss and need an extra score. If you wait till the last TD, you have LESS time to recover from that.

Ranching · Sep 21, 2020

Hawkeye0202 said:
Kudos to one poster here ( not sure who ) for nailing this 100%

I was in similar situations a few times as a coach, I would have kicked it, but I like his reasoning. Makes sense, I'd probably still kick it though. High school kids don't have the mental toughness of professionals.

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

stiletto said:
He can rationalize it all he wants but it was crazy. You absolutely kick the PAT there, get within one score and if they stop the 2 point conversion at the end then props to the other team. What he did pretty much made a total football miracle have to occur to win. It happened so he just got lucky this time. I am fast seeing why GB fans panned MM. That was just stupid.

JD_KaPow · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
How is going down by 9 giving yourself another chance to win when all you can score on one more drive is 8? Im going to assume math wasn't your strong point?

I don't know how to be clearer. You need 1 (one) two-point conversion. You can attempt it early or late. It doesn't matter when you attempt it. If you fail, you're probably screwed anyway. The difference is, if you fail early, you know you need two scores. If you fail late, you simply lose. There's no advantage to taking it later.

RustyBourneHorse · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Only you didn't nail anything. LOL

MM gave that excuse right after the game and an article was up shortly after. To act like you thought up that ridiculous excuse in your head all by yourself is beyond laughable and pathetic. And then to try to take credit for something so wrong shows a disconnect.

You heard the excuse and tried to act like it was your idea all along. But hey, look...…….your ruse worked.

Smart people aren't buying it.

Just an fyi, some of us like me were calling for us to go for 2 after the TD in question here. I was shouting at the TV to go for 2 there. I'd rather try to get the hard score first and let the easier of the two scores you need be next.

CanadianCowboysFan · Sep 21, 2020

Furboy said:
Exactly, and, like I said, it was a 15 point deficit. We needed to score the 2 point conversion at some point, assuming we got 2 TDs. So, it makes more sense to try it earlier with more time to spare. Right decision, wrong play call.

except missing it on the first time, guarantees you have to score 3 times. I get it is better to have more time for an onside kick, but going early assumes you will miss later

Titleist · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
How is going down by 9 giving yourself another chance to win when all you can score on one more drive is 8? Im going to assume math wasn't your strong point?

I think the point is if you leave the 2 point conversion for the very end and do not convert, then it's game over. If you fail the 2 point conversion early you at least have some time to adjust your gameplan (which we did, and it worked).

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

Furboy said:
Exactly! Before we scored that TD, it was a 15 point deficit. You MUST get A 2 point conversion in one of the 2 TDs that you need to score. You TAKE the first of 2 attempts to give you TIME to rally if you miss and need an extra score. If you wait till the last TD, you have LESS time to recover from that.

You 100% don't try it on the first one because if you miss the game is over. Its that simple. If all you are going to do is try for 2 and then kick the next one, whats the difference? It was a dumb call.

mrmojo · Sep 21, 2020

By going for 2 and not making it that 2nd score and getting another possession would take a miracle to get.....luckily that miracle happen yesterday.

RustyBourneHorse · Sep 21, 2020

CanadianCowboysFan said:
except missing it on the first time, guarantees you have to score 3 times. I get it is better to have more time for an onside kick, but going early assumes you will miss later

That's fair. But if you take the XP there and score the next drive, you then have to get the 2 pointer. If you miss there, you still have to score again anyway. At least with that amount of time, you have a chance to do EXACTLY what we did.

CanadianCowboysFan · Sep 21, 2020

Titleist said:
I think the point is if you leave the 2 point conversion for the very end and do not convert, then it's game over. If you fail the 2 point conversion early you at least have some time to adjust your gameplan (which we did, and it worked).

did we really adjust though, other than calling our timeouts which we might have done anyway. I guess you could say we might not have thrown deep to Gallup if only down 8 but I doubt that is the case.

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

Titleist said:
I think the point is if you leave the 2 point conversion for the very end and do not convert, then it's game over. If you fail the 2 point conversion early you at least have some time to adjust your gameplan (which we did, and it worked).

Again, your saying that recovering an onsides kick is more likely than getting a 3 and out?

RustyBourneHorse · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
You 100% don't try it on the first one because if you miss the game is over. Its that simple. If all you are going to do is try for 2 and then kick the next one, whats the difference? It was a dumb call.

Ok, but if you miss on the second go around then the game is likely over anyway, so what's the difference? Oh, less time from doing that.

nightrain · Sep 21, 2020

I'll go with whatever he says as long as there is a W ahead of the explanation.

JD_KaPow · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
You 100% don't try it on the first one because if you miss the game is over. Its that simple. If all you are going to do is try for 2 and then kick the next one, whats the difference? It was a dumb call.

They missed yesterday and the game wasn't over. I mean, you just saw it happen.

If you kick the xp and then miss the 2-pointer later, the game is definitely over, because you almost certainly ran the clock down more on the second scoring drive.

Gaede · Sep 21, 2020

Can't say I agreed with it, but the rationale does make sense.

Hoods · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Thanks for the explanation MM, but it was still stupid.

For him to try and rationalize it is pathetic.

Nope, makes perfect sense (and as proved by the win). If we missed the 2 point conversion at the end of the game, we would have lost without a chance to score again.

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