Serious question for Dak haters

Reid1boys · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
I am right. Not about wanting. Its about guys like YOU admitting you were wrong about Dak.

Most young QB's have plenty to work on. QB development 101. These aren't "fatal flaws". Some have fatal flaws, Dak didnt.

Dak had to work on his pocket awareness and movement in the pocket, didnt mean he wasnt going to improve. I knew he would, it was obvious.

Accuracy was over blown. That should be obvious by now.

huh? Last year Dak played like a HOF qb in weeks 1-3. Not so much for the last 8 games or so.

Dont let Yesterday erase the previous week where we scored 17 and had the ball 2 times in the final 6 minutes and Dak did nothing.

Whyjerry · Sep 21, 2020

Reid1boys said:
so you think we over payed Zeke? Did you see the Mixon and Kamara deals? and we overpayed Zeke?

My opinion at the time was that he wasn’t overpaid but there was no way he’d be productive over the life of the deal. Plus he had character issues so trust was big negative. Zeke is one of the best at his position so he deserved to be paid near or at the top. My main issue was you don’t pay RBs.

Reid1boys · Sep 21, 2020

cern said:
yesterday showed what he can do when given an outstanding game plan.

Outstanding game plan? Funny, nobody was saying the game plan was all that great in the 3rd qauarter when we still down by like 17.

Reid1boys · Sep 21, 2020

Whyjerry said:
My opinion at the time was that he wasn’t overpaid but there was no way he’d be productive over the life of the deal. Plus he had character issues so trust was big negative. Zeke is one of the best at his position so he deserved to be paid near or at the top. My main issue was you don’t pay RBs.

The Saints did, the Bengals did, The giants will, didnt the Vikes as well?(pay the RB)

Whyjerry · Sep 21, 2020

Reid1boys said:
The Saints did, the Bengals did, The giants will, didnt the Vikes as well?(pay the RB)

You sure about the Giants? Barkley just hurt his knee. So Zeke was 6 for 90 with 28 guaranteed. Mixon was 4 fo 48 with 10 guaranteed. The contracts are not close.

blumayne38 · Sep 21, 2020

Whyjerry said:
There are a lot of you. Question - Is there anything he can do to change your mind? Would a SB win do it? League MVP? NFC Championship? 40 TDs? Anything?

Is it the contract? Is it because he is not Mahomes or Wilson?

Dak haters and fans agree that Dak can be inconsistent with accuracy but I think he adds toughness, running ability and leadership.

Serious question so don’t be nasty. What, if anything, could he do to win you over?

This win definitely was a GREAT win. And Dak was a part of it.

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

Reid1boys said:
so you think we over payed Zeke? Did you see the Mixon and Kamara deals? and we overpayed Zeke?

Its more about NOT investing that kind of money in ONE RB. McCaffrey...………….MAYBE.

And then to a lessor extent...…….If I did, it wouldn't be Zeke. If I am paying a back that much money, he better be a home run hitter. I feel we can get the same production as Zeke out of a RB by committee and possibly add a home run element to the equation. Zekes plodding style and lack of big runs can be an issue.

DogFace · Sep 21, 2020

InTheZone said:
I don't consider myself a hater, but I have to question the mentality of anyone labeling someone a hater just for openly criticising a pet player.

To answer the question I want consistency. I need to see them take care of business vs bad teams but against good teams and defenses I want Dak to not be a reason why we lost. Less taking unnecessary pressures and sacks when there's plenty of space or a lane to utilize. Less constantly throwing behind a receiver or at a DB and hoping the WR just bails him out. If we look predictable can we get some presnap adjustments?

Threads like this always happen after a W, but are dead silent after games like last week. No one is saying to be perfect, tired of people bringing that up.

We know who the contenders are, we need to look like contenders in these games and obviously put down the bad teams when we play them.

Consistency is the word. The word for those posters that seemingly irrationally dislike Dak and shift their arguments.

Facts:“He has the best winning percentage except Brady over his first few years” And his PR and QBR are very high”

Answer:he’s on a great team and he doesn’t do anything. He can’t even throw for 200 yards

Fact: “he’s one of the leagues leaders in passing”

Answer: He only does it against terrible teams

It gets much more specific and damning for one side of that discussion, but you get the point.

bigE79 · Sep 21, 2020

Whyjerry said:
There are a lot of you. Question - Is there anything he can do to change your mind? Would a SB win do it? League MVP? NFC Championship? 40 TDs? Anything?

Is it the contract? Is it because he is not Mahomes or Wilson?

Dak haters and fans agree that Dak can be inconsistent with accuracy but I think he adds toughness, running ability and leadership.

Serious question so don’t be nasty. What, if anything, could he do to win you over?

Why do people insist on saying Dak haters? I guarantee no one here hates Dak,they my not think he is nothing more then just average qb with a few great games mixed in or just don't think he's a franchise qb..so what,even the greatest qb had doubts about them..but to continuing to say that people hate Dak,or call them trolls or whatever is just stupid..some people just might not like him as the qb..Troy delt with this,tony took a beating and still does,but I don't think anyone hated them..how can you hate someone you never even met?..it's like this,you have an opinion on some player you don't like,do you hate him?..this hater thing is so worn out its not funny,just because people have a different opinions then you does not make them haters... people need to grow up..this is a forum,not everyone is going to agree,get over it and enjoy the win,damn.

Kwyn · Sep 21, 2020

Whyjerry said:
There are a lot of you. Question - Is there anything he can do to change your mind? Would a SB win do it? League MVP? NFC Championship? 40 TDs? Anything?

Is it the contract? Is it because he is not Mahomes or Wilson?

Dak haters and fans agree that Dak can be inconsistent with accuracy but I think he adds toughness, running ability and leadership.

Serious question so don’t be nasty. What, if anything, could he do to win you over?

I think I can take this

Super Bowl wins - at least two
Super Bowl MVP
League MVP
All-Pro - at least two
Pro Bowl - every year not all-pro
Top five MVP voting every year
Sign a contract below market

Maybe that would make him the third best QB in franchise history

He could win five super bowls, 3 MVPs and there are those who would still not put him above Roger and Troy

Kwyn · Sep 21, 2020

bigE79 said:
Why do people insist on saying Dak haters? I guarantee no one here hates Dak,they my not think he is nothing more then just average qb with a few great games mixed in or just don't think he's a franchise qb..so what,even the greatest qb had doubts about them..but to continuing to say that people hate Dak,or call them trolls or whatever is just stupid..some people just might not like him as the qb..Troy delt with this,tony took a beating and still does,but I don't think anyone hated them..how can you hate someone you never even met?..it's like this,you have an opinion on some player you don't like,do you hate him?..this hater thing is so worn out its not funny,just because people have a different opinions then you does not make them haters... people need to grow up..this is a forum,not everyone is going to agree,get over it and enjoy the win,damn.

I think you overestimate some of our posters.

There are plenty to do have actual dislike/contempt/hate for Dak.

lostar2009 · Sep 21, 2020

kskboys said:
2006:
Dall 21 INDY 14. Indy won the super bowl in 06.
Dall 23 NYG 20. Giants were a playoff team

2007:

DALL 45 NYG 35. Giants won super bowl
DALL 31 NYG 20. See above.
DALL 37 GB 27. GB was 13-3.
DALL 28 WASH 23. Wash was a playoff team.

Curious. Do you say crapp just to say it?

Oh i love how he lost to the Giants in the playoffs or what about that pounding by the Ravens in the last game at the old stadium. The list goes on and on.

Miller · Sep 21, 2020

bigE79 said:
Why do people insist on saying Dak haters? I guarantee no one here hates Dak,they my not think he is nothing more then just average qb with a few great games mixed in or just don't think he's a franchise qb..so what,even the greatest qb had doubts about them..but to continuing to say that people hate Dak,or call them trolls or whatever is just stupid..some people just might not like him as the qb..Troy delt with this,tony took a beating and still does,but I don't think anyone hated them..how can you hate someone you never even met?..it's like this,you have an opinion on some player you don't like,do you hate him?..this hater thing is so worn out its not funny,just because people have a different opinions then you does not make them haters... people need to grow up..this is a forum,not everyone is going to agree,get over it and enjoy the win,damn.

Well said!

Reid1boys · Sep 21, 2020

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CowboyRoy said:
Its more about NOT investing that kind of money in ONE RB. McCaffrey...………….MAYBE.

And then to a lessor extent...…….If I did, it wouldn't be Zeke. If I am paying a back that much money, he better be a home run hitter. I feel we can get the same production as Zeke out of a RB by committee and possibly add a home run element to the equation. Zekes plodding style and lack of big runs can be an issue.

did you see the stat that showed zeke number 1 in yards and 2 in TDS since he entered the league?
Have you forgot about Zeke 90 yard screen TD against steelers.... he has serious HR ability, even though he hasnt done it much lately.

Reid1boys · Sep 21, 2020

Whyjerry said:
You sure about the Giants? Barkley just hurt his knee. So Zeke was 6 for 90 with 28 guaranteed. Mixon was 4 fo 48 with 10 guaranteed. The contracts are not close.

the contracts are close as no way will zeke see the end of his deal. That dea was super team friendly.
Kamara was 5 year 75 million
Cook was 5 year 63 nmillion and 28 million up front and he hasnt touched Zekes numbers and had a serious knee injury

Neither cook nor mixon have had anything others tha a good part of a season and both have missed games.

Reid1boys · Sep 21, 2020

Whyjerry said:
You sure about the Giants? Barkley just hurt his knee. So Zeke was 6 for 90 with 28 guaranteed. Mixon was 4 fo 48 with 10 guaranteed. The contracts are not close.

and yes, i msure about the Giats. ACL is common today. Didnt cook have an acl and just got a big deal? Barkely is in year 2, if he returns to form next year, yea, hes gonna get a big deal

5Stars · Sep 21, 2020

bigE79 said:
Why do people insist on saying Dak haters? I guarantee no one here hates Dak,they my not think he is nothing more then just average qb with a few great games mixed in or just don't think he's a franchise qb..so what,even the greatest qb had doubts about them..but to continuing to say that people hate Dak,or call them trolls or whatever is just stupid..some people just might not like him as the qb..Troy delt with this,tony took a beating and still does,but I don't think anyone hated them..how can you hate someone you never even met?..it's like this,you have an opinion on some player you don't like,do you hate him?..this hater thing is so worn out its not funny,just because people have a different opinions then you does not make them haters... people need to grow up..this is a forum,not everyone is going to agree,get over it and enjoy the win,damn.

They use the word "haters" because they are projecting. See, if you don't agree with their love of Dak, you will be labeled a "hater". What they are actually doing is "hating you" for not loving Dak - projection, basic philosophy. I'm not sure they know what they are doing because as you say, the "haters" probably have never met Dak, however, if you don't love him (Dak) then you are a hater, when actually you are not, it's just that they hate you. It's a lack of intellengence, that's all.

bigE79 · Sep 21, 2020

Kwyn said:
I think you overestimate some of our posters.

There are plenty to do have actual dislike/contempt/hate for Dak.

Ill agree with you on dislike..hate I don't agree with at all...have you ever disliked a cowboy player,I'm sure you have at one time or another,I know I have,Alex barron,chaz green for example,I truly disliked them,but I never hated them..just because you think it doesn't make it true.

bigE79 · Sep 21, 2020

5Stars said:
They use the word "haters" because they are projecting. See, if you don't agree with their love of Dak, you will be labeled a "hater". What they are actually doing is "hating you" for not loving Dak - projection, basic philosophy. I'm not sure they know what they are doing because as you say, the "haters" probably have never met Dak, however, if you don't love them then you are a hater, when actually you are not, it's just that they hate you. It's a lack of intellengence, that's all.

My biggest problem is all the call-out threads on both sides,I get sick of seeing them in the main forum..I wish the mods would a a forum just for that and leave the main forum clean.

5Stars · Sep 21, 2020

bigE79 said:
Ill agree with you on dislike..hate I don't agree with at all...have you ever disliked a cowboy player,I'm sure you have at one time or another,I know I have,Alex barron,chaz green for example,I truly disliked them,but I never hated them..just because you think it doesn't make it true.

A lot of people like liver and onions, I'm not one of them. But, I would bet that if I told a liver lover I don't like liver, I'm sure they would not call me a "hater", they would probably laugh at me for not like that nasty stuff. Now, then, for all of you here that love liver and onions and I don't, don't call me a hater.

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