MM explains his thought process of going for 2

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

Furboy said:
It's the exact decision I'd make. You have to make the 1 2 point conversion at some point. I'd do it earlier every time.

Interesting……….then why does everyone else kick the extra point? LOL

I have NEVER seen anyone do what MM did. That's because it dumb. Unless of course MM is smarter than everyone else? And we know that's not the case when he didn't kick the game tying FG last sunday.

RustyBourneHorse · Sep 21, 2020

EGTuna said:
Also Ryan Leaf and his tricky wrist. That team was awful.

Fair, he was awful.

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

JD_KaPow said:
Yes, my plan is recover an onsides kick. It's EXACTLY the same plan as if I kick the xp first and miss the 2-pointer later. There's no difference. What about that aren't you seeing?

The only difference is that if it happens early, you can plan around it.

Whats harder to do recover an onsides kick, go 30 yards and kick a long FG or make a 2 point conversion?

Recovering an onsides kick isn't a plan, its a wing and a prayer.

Dale · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
So analytics is going to tell you that making 2 2 point conversions is more likely than making one? I don't think so.

Analytics is saying you want access to the information earlier rather than later.

JD_KaPow · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Whats harder to do recover an onsides kick, go 30 yards and kick a long FG or make a 2 point conversion?

Recovering an onsides kick isn't a plan, its a wing and a prayer.

So tell me what your plan is after they kick the xp the first time and miss the 2-pointer the second time? You're down 2 points with very little time left. What's your plan?

NorthTexan95 · Sep 21, 2020

The folks arguing that you need to wait for the second touchdown reminds me of the old baseball fans 15 years ago. They were holding tight to Batting Average was a great stat and OBP and OPS were worthless. Some of y'all need to modernize your thoughts.

cffl2323 · Sep 21, 2020

Are some of you thinking it's magically easier to convert a 2 point attempt when there's less time on the clock?

Trajan · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Whats harder to do recover an onsides kick, go 30 yards and kick a long FG or make a 2 point conversion?

Recovering an onsides kick isn't a plan, its a wing and a prayer.

And if you fail to convert the 2 point conversion at the very end of the game ? The onside kick is still difficult, with less time to execute and get into FG range.

Playmaker247 · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Interesting……….then why does everyone else kick the extra point? LOL

I have NEVER seen anyone do what MM did. That's because it dumb. Unless of course MM is smarter than everyone else? And we know that's not the case when he didn't kick the game tying FG last sunday.

I honestly feel sorry for people who think like this. How can you expect to make any progress if everyone has this mindset. “Well nobody else does it so it must be wrong” is a ridiculous take

RustyBourneHorse · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Interesting……….then why does everyone else kick the extra point? LOL

I have NEVER seen anyone do what MM did. That's because it dumb. Unless of course MM is smarter than everyone else? And we know that's not the case when he didn't kick the game tying FG last sunday.

I do believe I've seen it before. And I don't think it's dumb. I think it's more of a preference, and you do it when you try to do it. And you want time to regroup.

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

NorthTexan95 said:
... and if you fail on the second touchdown on the second TD it's still a two score situation. However, if you fail on the first attempt you have time to adjust. If you fail on the second attempt you may not. Going for 2 on the first TD gives you more options.

Way too much over thinking and trying to make a bad call look reasonable.

Its pretty simple...…….if you miss the 2 point conversion first, you lose. Is as simple as that. Banking on an onsides kick is a prayer, not a strategy.

FriscoPhantom · Sep 21, 2020

All of you people saying "if you miss the 2-point conversion the first time" are just assuming they're going to make the 2-point conversion the second time. If you assume they're going to miss the first 2-point conversion, you have to make the assumption they're going to miss the second 2-point conversion.

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

Playmaker247 said:
I honestly feel sorry for people who think like this. How can you expect to make any progress if everyone has this mindset. “Well nobody else does it so it must be wrong” is a ridiculous take

LOL...….MM is a genius. Nobody else thought of it, but him!!!!

I tell you what...……..I feel sorry for people that make up excuses for stupidity rather then just manning up and saying it was dumb.

gimmesix · Sep 21, 2020

Future said:
The reason he gave is stupid. Knowing whether it is a one- or two-score game doesn't have to change anything in how you approach the remainder.

I disagree. It should change the strategy.

If you know that you can drive for a TD and extra point to tie the game, your time management is different than if you know you need a TD and FG.

JD_KaPow · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Way too much over thinking and trying to make a bad call look reasonable.

Its pretty simple...…….if you miss the 2 point conversion first, you lose. Is as simple as that. Banking on an onsides kick is a prayer, not a strategy.

They DID miss the 2 point conversion. And they WON.
I'll keep asking: what's your plan if they kick the XP and then miss the 2-pointer late? What is your plan then if it isn't to attempt an onside kick?

You only need the onside kick if you FAIL at the 2-point conversion. Conversely, if you fail at the 2-point conversion, NO MATTER WHEN YOU FAIL, you will always need the onside kick.

stiletto · Sep 21, 2020

conner01 said:
I still think it’s a mistake
By kicking it’s a one procession game
If you don’t convert it’s still a 2 procession game

I agree with you. You always get it to a 1 possession game with the max time possible. Sure it's ballsy to do the 2 point early but you are risking needing a miracle depending on the time left.

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

FriscoPhantom said:
All of you people saying "if you miss the 2-point conversion the first time" are just assuming they're going to make the 2-point conversion the second time. If you assume they're going to miss the first 2-point conversion, you have to make the assumption they're going to miss the second 2-point conversion.

No you don't. Isnt that what MM was doing? Assuming we miss the 2 point conversion?

Future · Sep 21, 2020

gimmesix said:
I disagree. It should change the strategy.

If you know that you can drive for a TD and extra point to tie the game, your time management is different than if you know you need a TD and FG.

Doesn't have to be. If the value of going for it early is "to know whether it's a two-score game or not," then you simply approach it as if it is regardless.

JD_KaPow · Sep 21, 2020

stiletto said:
I agree with you. You always get it to a 1 possession game with the max time possible. Sure it's ballsy to do the 2 point early but you are risking needing a miracle depending on the time left.

An 8-point game is not a one-possession game. It's either a one-possession game or a two-possession game, with about equal probability. You just don't know which one you're dealing with.

If you fail at the 2-pointer later, you still need the same exact miracle, but you might have left yourself less time to take advantage of it.

stiletto · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
LOL...….MM is a genius. Nobody else thought of it, but him!!!!

I tell you what...……..I feel sorry for people that make up excuses for stupidity rather then just manning up and saying it was dumb.

Wonder how some of these people would feel had we lost? LOL The miracle made them believe in Mike Jesus....I'd say with the time remaining what MM did would not work 99.9% of the time with the failed 2 pt conversion at that point. I didn't hear one ex-coach or tv guy say MM made the right decision last night. No other coach would've done it.

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