We need to find Tyron Smith replacement

Tussinman · Sep 21, 2020

starfan1 said:
please dont use the pro bowl as a measuring stick its not. Tyron is still serviceable and when healthy is top 5 in league the problem is we have to use that clarifier

rocyaice said:
You know when people say Pro Bowl isn't a measuring stick......I do agree that isn't how to gauge guys but I ask when has a bum ever made the Pro Bowl? I know people are going to say Jaylon but he wasn't a full bum and he probably made it a year later than he should've.

agreed

I really don't understand why people slam the pro bowl, I read the day one roster every year and it's literally filled with players that are top 3 to 5 for there position in the conference

Not understanding the controversy? How can I be a popularity contest when over 90% of the roster is considered top of their conference ?

Not only that you can't even use jaylon Smith as an example because he wasn't even on the day one roster, it took literally both of the day 1 picks getting injuries for him to even make it......... (Can't really discredit the pro bowl on the basis of two different injuries)

fivetwos · Sep 21, 2020

quickccc said:
Ditto here as well.

- Pre-injury Jaylon was long touted as the best LB in his draft but also a top overall talent. Per our own medical specialists it was recommended
that it would take some time, but he'd eventually recover enough to play again in the NFL.

My problem with Jay has nothing to do with his limited change of direction but more so his questionable instincts and lack of physicality.
Something that he apparently wasn't showing a lack of at the college level.

- With LVE, at draft time, i heard more concerns about his questionable shed-ability than the concerning neck injury, and it's assumed that the Cowboys
medical staff (just like jaylon's own pre-draft medical concerns) addressed the red flags that clear McClay & co. to draft Vander Esch.
And LVE responded with a rookie pro bowl year at that. But unfortunately injuries and questionable play has stunned his development.

One of my biggest concerns is how these LBs are so easily fooled by misdirection and wiped washed in traffic - and they don't
create turnovers (ala ATL's Foye Oluokun 's peanut-punch fumbles)

I thought 54 played a bit better yesterday so I'm gonna stay off him for the most part this week.

If anyone thinks this guy is a team player while watching him celebrate down by 20 is nuts.

Extremely unlikable....probably in the locker room also.

Another Jerry mistake that we have to wait to get out of.

There will be more.

rnr_honeybadger · Sep 21, 2020

Verdict said:
I have said this before and I will say it again.... we need to be ready to plug in Tyron Smith’s replacement. He is in a constant state of injury. I don’t blame him...he has a lot of miles on his body.

We really should have replaced Sean Lee too. He is made of glass, way past his prime, and planning on using him is an exercise in futility.

The following need to be replaced

1. Sean Lee - never healthy
2. LVE - that neck is never going to be the same and expecting to have him contribute 16 games and playoffs is way too much
3. Tyron Smith - spirit is there but body isn't willing, thanks for all the memories big guy
4. Jaylon Smith - will never be the same player as he was prior to the college injury and terrible angles all game long. Fortunately has stopped with that dumb swipe of his.

fivetwos · Sep 21, 2020

stasheroo said:
That's very true as well. And looking more true all the time.

Haha funny when the idea of even considering Murray at 17 six months ago was ridiculed by many around here as it wasnt a "need."

We had Lee, and LVE, and Jaylon and Thomas to back them up.

Good stuff.

fivetwos · Sep 21, 2020

rnr_honeybadger said:
The following need to be replaced

1. Sean Lee - never healthy
2. LVE - that neck is never going to be the same and expecting to have him contribute 16 games and playoffs is way too much
3. Tyron Smith - spirit is there but body isn't willing, thanks for all the memories big guy
4. Jaylon Smith - will never be the same player as he was prior to the college injury and terrible angles all game long. Fortunately has stopped with that dumb swipe of his.

Yeah exactly.

We only need a few more "great drafts" and all the holes will be fixed!!

Problem is it doesnt work that way and coaching needs to make up for those gaps in the salary cap ERA.

Wanna know why Dallas cant win?? There you have it. The owner either wont allow a coach good enough that may upstage him, or they wont work for him with his insistence on being the defacto coach himself.

ItzKelz · Sep 21, 2020

Verdict said:
I have said this before and I will say it again.... we need to be ready to plug in Tyron Smith’s replacement. He is in a constant state of injury. I don’t blame him...he has a lot of miles on his body.

We really should have replaced Sean Lee too. He is made of glass, way past his prime, and planning on using him is an exercise in futility.

La'el is his replacement. We need to find La'els replacement at RT

rnr_honeybadger · Sep 21, 2020

fivetwos said:
Yeah exactly.

We only need a few more "great drafts" and all the holes will be fixed!!

Problem is it doesnt work that way and coaching needs to make up for those gaps in the salary cap ERA.

Wanna know why Dallas cant win?? There you have it. The owner either wont allow a coach good enough that may upstage him, or they wont work for him with his insistence on being the defacto coach himself.

No, I doubt we can fix all the holes but we certainly can stop selecting guys who have a history of injuries and claim that we are drafting value when all we are drafting are guys who are not going to contribute to the success of the team.

Look at our linebacking unit, two of the starters are out and the remaining one has never been the same after his catastrophic injury in college. I don't care who you are, hell Bill Bellicheck himself couldn't do enough coaching to fix that gap.

Tussinman · Sep 21, 2020

Mr_437 said:
Pretty good OT draft coming up, Cowboys should select one. The starters always miss a couple games... that's just the NFL. If the two young OTs can keep it up that would be big for the depth.

you make a good point about how starters miss a couple games it's just life in the NFL

People kind of exaggerate the Tyron situation because they don't follow other teams

Bakirati played injured all of last year, armstead is 10 times more injury-prone than Tyron despite having way less starts and Duane Brown missed four games. That's literally all of your NFC LT pro bowl starters last year and all of them have injury issues...... (Hell even RT Lane Johnson who got in as an alternate was literally carted off the field last year........ )

I'm not saying Tyron isn't concerning but injuries like you said is part of life in the NFL.

CWR · Sep 21, 2020

quickccc said:
All depends upon the current new OL coach Joe Philibin.

- He may have a totally different mindset and view.. vs the departed Marc Columbo.
He may decide to keep Collins where he is, as Lael is left handed he could move him over to LT when Tyron departs.

-And then it goes to who he likes, and who may not care for as players, ala Conner McGovern.
Seems Philibin likes or prefer rookie Tyler Badazzz over 2nd year McGovern, as Conner M has yet to receive any
reps-snaps as sub fill OG.

- Williams who was on the ground a lot was actually subbed by Tyler at LG, instead of McGovern who was
game inactive vs Rams.

- It did me good to see not only Brandon Knight playing.. but actually starting at LT, when he only saw rookie action at RT vs Jets.
And though there were injuries to DE's Fowler and McKinney that limited their snaps, which damn sure helped our cause.

We've all experienced a total collapse on thw Oline and regardless off pff grades or whatever else Im encouraged by our 4th and 5th string tackles ability to compete.

quickccc · Sep 21, 2020

fivetwos said:
I thought 54 played a bit better yesterday so I'm gonna stay off him for the most part this week.

If anyone thinks this guy is a team player while watching him celebrate down by 20 is nuts.

Extremely unlikable....probably in the locker room also.

Another Jerry mistake that we have to wait to get out of.

There will be more.

Has it been reported who blew that wide open coverage assignment vs Falcons TE Hayden Hurst ?

i'm wondering if it was a pass off to the secondary and they did not respond ... or was it an Oooops coverage blown by Jaylon ?

buybuydandavis · Sep 21, 2020

Verdict said:
How many games has Tyron been on the cusp of not playing? It seems like a weekly occurrence. It seems like it is usually his back, and they don’t usually get better.

Tyron's back clearly improved last year. Missed games because someone rolled up on the back of his leg, which could happen to anyone.

JohnsKey19 · Sep 21, 2020

ItzKelz said:
La'el is his replacement. We need to find La'els replacement at RT

Knight just needs to add more strength to his game and he will be a viable option at RT should La'el ever move to LT. But we have no idea how close Tyron is to hanging up his cleats.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 21, 2020

Tussinman said:
agreed

I really don't understand why people slam the pro bowl, I read the day one roster every year and it's literally filled with players that are top 3 to 5 for there position in the conference

Not understanding the controversy? How can I be a popularity contest when over 90% of the roster is considered top of their conference ?

Not only that you can't even use jaylon Smith as an example because he wasn't even on the day one roster, it took literally both of the day 1 picks getting injuries for him to even make it......... (Can't really discredit the pro bowl on the basis of two different injuries)

I don't understand it as well. Sure some guys get in based on reputation but that reputation is why he's a pro bowler because he had some great years......You don't see the Anthony Hitchens of the world in the Pro Bowl. There is quite a distinction between players who make the Pro Bowl and who don't.

bodi · Sep 21, 2020

ItzKelz said:
La'el is his replacement. We need to find La'els replacement at RT

Brandon Knight

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 21, 2020

quickccc said:
Ditto here as well.

- Pre-injury Jaylon was long touted as the best LB in his draft but also a top overall talent. Per our own medical specialists it was recommended
that it would take some time, but he'd eventually recover enough to play again in the NFL.

My problem with Jay has nothing to do with his limited change of direction but more so his questionable instincts and lack of physicality.
Something that he apparently wasn't showing a lack of at the college level.

- With LVE, at draft time, i heard more concerns about his questionable shed-ability than the concerning neck injury, and it's assumed that the Cowboys
medical staff (just like jaylon's own pre-draft medical concerns) addressed the red flags that clear McClay & co. to draft Vander Esch.
And LVE responded with a rookie pro bowl year at that. But unfortunately injuries and questionable play has stunned his development.

One of my biggest concerns is how these LBs are so easily fooled by misdirection and wiped washed in traffic - and they don't
create turnovers (ala ATL's Foye Oluokun 's peanut-punch fumbles)

Yeah man....I think with Jaylon.....I don't think its injury. I don't know if its a fear of getting hurt again or what but his problems aren't related to his legs and I don't think there's no way you could've guessed this would happen.

Man.....that's the book on our defense. Just get them with bootlegs and misdirection and you are going to be alright. It pains me to watch them do this with TWO different staffs.

ItzKelz · Sep 21, 2020

JohnsKey19 said:
Knight just needs to add more strength to his game and he will be a viable option at RT should La'el ever move to LT. But we have no idea how close Tyron is to hanging up his cleats.

IMO it's not when Tyron is ready to hang them up it's when we make the decision to move forward. People forget that we drafted Tyron after gutting our OL because they were over paid and no longer producing at their pay grade despite being house hold names and probowl level talent. It will happen again its just the when that we do not know at this point.

buybuydandavis · Sep 21, 2020

starfan1 said:
please dont use the pro bowl as a measuring stick its not. Tyron is still serviceable and when healthy is top 5 in league the problem is we have to use that clarifier

Pro Bowls are a measuring stick. In Tyron's case, they tend to be legitimate, though 2017 was arguably more for his body of work than the season.

Last year wasn't like 2017, and 2018. If he was the same in 2019, then we consider moving on. But last year, he didn't move like an old man with a bad back. He got injured.

After 2019, I don't see us even considering using a top pick for a starting LT. We'll roll with Knight and other low budget backups until Tyron's play really drops or we *really* hit on a cheap T.

buybuydandavis · Sep 21, 2020

cowboybish said:
Yes but he plays injured a lot and half the times he’s about 75%. A bad back and neck make it difficult to play and move well thus his penalties. We def need to draft next year.

That was 2017, 2018. He was physically limited all year. Last year, he was basically healthy all a few games. Not physically limited.

quickccc · Sep 21, 2020

bodi said:
Brandon Knight

Both coaching regimes tend to think Knight is more OG than OT, he's being asked to play OT out of emergency need and last resort.

CTcowboy203 · Sep 21, 2020

BBGTYCOON said:
I'm all for making business decisions but Tyron is off limits. He's EARNED the right to retire a Cowboy, hopefully a champion Cowboy.

He hasn’t earned anything...he’s produced at an extremely high level and he’s been extremely well paid for it, that’s business. Jason Witten didn’t retire a cowboy, emmit didn’t so there’s nothing that says Tyron has to. He’s been a warrior for us but his body is breaking down.

There’s no sentimental feelings in football- Romo lost his job to a rookie dak. while Tyron still plays at a high level the question now is how often does he play? it’s to that point. I’m not saying you have to trade him or actively shop him but it’s def worth gauging interest and I’d much rather get rid of players a year early than a year late.

We need to find Tyron Smith replacement

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