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MM explains his thought process of going for 2
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kind of a defeatist attitude
cffl2323
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But it's so much more fun only being down by one possession!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The biggest thing I took away from yesterday are the balls of coach MM. He was completely aggressive and that's what WE ALL wanted including myself. Let's trust the coach for the next 2 years, then we can start b******* and moaning about his decisions. After all, he ACTUALLY won a Super Bowl. His team isn't complete after one (strange) off season, he doesn't have all of the players he wants yet. This takes at least a couple to three years to accumulate.
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Agreed! And we were *****ing and moaning about how Garrett never went for it and all. At least MM takes some chances unlike Garrett. I think he made a lot of good decisions. The 2 points didn't work, but it was the right move.
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It works equally well the other way! Assume you make it in both scenarios. I still would rather know that earlier.
But based on your response, sorry but it's clear the discussion is over your head.
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The post i responded to said it didn't make a difference if it is a 1 score game or 2 score game on how you approach it. I disagree. It makes a huge difference on how you approach it. So with that knowledge I understand MM logic on trying the 2 pt conversion at that point. I just don't agree with that logic.
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Not really. The point is, if you make the 2-pointer (early or late), the rest of the argument is moot. You score one TD with a two-pointer and one TD with a one-pointer and you tie the game, no fuss no muss, and it made zero difference whether you attempted it early or late. It's only when you miss that the strategic implications become clear.
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Right, I mean the guy was already down by 20, why not just go all in at that point. Put your a** there, you have nothing to lose at this point and because of that, and because he actually had the nerve to try to win this, they actually did. That's actually a life's lesson
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Exactly! Roll the dice and see what happens! Were that Garrett, he'd have played a lot of inside routes, settled for only losing by 10, and call it a morale victory and that we'll look at the tape.
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I do think the second fake punt was a pretty bad decision. Sure seemed like the situation wasn't favorable and they should have optioned back to the punt. But otherwise I agree: be aggressive!
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This is a false choice.
In either instance, the O, with all those weapons needs to execute a successful 2-pt conversion or else there will be an onside kick.
The only difference, is if you fail on the two point conversion, your chances of winning are much higher (though still very very low) if you went for 2 earlier rather than later..
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Then switch it. Assume you'll make it for either.
What's the downside of doing it early?
The choice only matters in the "defeatist" outlook situation. If it only matters in one instance, that's the one you plan for.
JD_KaPow
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But you need the onside kick regardless, if you miss the two-pointer. Doesn't matter if you attempt the two-pointer early or late: if it fails, you're out of options except for the onside kick. You either learn that with 4 minutes left, down 9 points, or you learn it with almost no time left, down 2 points.
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Oh, I agree, and McCarthy admitted it was a mistake. He said in his postgame address that he wished he had that one back. If we were going to go for it there, we should've just done a regular go for it or punt it. Other than that, I loved the aggressiveness. Just wish that Chris Jones could throw lol.
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It's not that simple really. Of course knowing if you need 1 or 2 scores is great but at the same time you have to look at the whole flow of the game. By going for 2 at that point, with the time left, meant we needed 2 more possessions and we couldn't give ATL 2 possessions, so what you really do with that logic is trade a 50/50 action (the 2pt conversion) for a 1% action (successful onside kick). With the game on the line, I would much rather have my O out there than rely on recovering an on-side kick.
To me the risk (failing the 2 pt at that time and relying on an onside kick to have a chance) was far greater than kicking the xtra point and leaving the game in the hands of your Offense with these weapons.
It worked out and so that's awesome but I still think it was the wrong call at that point in the game.
JD_KaPow
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Ah, I missed that about MM. That makes me feel better. Thanks.
Yeah, if you need to make 5 yards, I'd rather depend on my offense, which is built to gain yards, than my punting team, unless you're darn sure there's a very clearly advantageous situation for the latter (like we had in the first fake).
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To be down 2 scores, get a TD and still be down 2 scores is not smart. Especially with less the 5 minutes left
That being said, I do like MM's agressiveness as opposed to Garrett. It's a welcome change even though I disagreed with when he went for 2 near the end.
That being said, I do like MM's agressiveness as opposed to Garrett. It's a welcome change even though I disagreed with when he went for 2 near the end.
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Yeah, it was posted on another thread if you'd like to watch it, but he said he wished he had that back. I'd have rather we run a normal play. I get why we went for it there. Our D wasn't stopping a sloth from gashing us. Gotta try to steal a possession or two when the D is terrible....which speaks to the fact that next draft, we MUST have a D heavy draft and also add another olineman. Oh, and we should probably sign and/or trade for a DB and/or dlineman. So, you have to try to keep the ball in the hands of the offense as much as possible. But running that fake made no sense.
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My thought, McCarthy is smart. I think he has the right ideas, other than the second fake punt. I think it's a bit of a shock to our team to be this aggressive. Garrett never really challenged the minds of the team, from what I'm seeing, quite like McCarthy has.