MM explains his thought process of going for 2

Cowboy4ever · Sep 21, 2020

droopdog7 said:
They DID miss the 2-point conversion, don't you remember?

Yes I do. But that doesn't automatically mean they would have missed it later. I don't make that assumption. Who knows what happens. My guess is if they didn't need two scores, they would have run the ball more, maybe softening up the D on the last drive, and maybe that is just enough of a difference to get that play in. Or maybe they call a completely different play later than they call then, who knows. All I do I know is that I like my odds a lot better getting the 2 pt play to tie than the onside kick to win.

blueblood70 · Sep 21, 2020

johneric8 said:
You guys need to quit over analyzing the great Mike Mccarthy's decisions! The guy just installed all new coaches practically, and had zero pre season to evaluate players.
Big Mike will take chances, he isn't like the freckled puppet that played to not lose.. Do not judge the man to harshly until he has at least a season or two under his belt..
The team is going to take it's lumps, but Big Mike will filx what isn't working but it's going to take time. This is honestly really still pre season for our team and with the amount of
injuries we have sustained he was actually done some amazing things with putting young players in powerful positions... Give me man time, he will surprise you.

i didnt mind the first fake punt the second one was horrible decsions whos decision, im not sure, the 2point we are discussing i dont know whos right but i always thought making it a one score game with two pointer to tie is easier but thinking harder and clearer now i am now seeing as a type why he did that.. so its easier to go for it now and make it great , miss it now you know you need 2 scores vs making the final 2pointer if you score be the game winner or loser..i think i get that now..

i dont think Garett called 2 fake punts, a 2point conv in that situation, and on side kick in 10years TOTAL and MM did it in one game, thats why i believe made Cowboy country nervous, hes gunslinger coach that appeared to help lose against the rams by not kicking that easy fg and then this game nearly lost..

heads exploded until we won..

so we sit here with a possibility of nearly going 0-2 or 2-0 record and are 1-1 its too early to from an opinion on how much MM does this throughout 16 games..

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

JD_KaPow said:
You still need the onside kick if you miss the 2-pointer later. It's the exact same situation.

Then how come everyone else kicks the extra point?

Because its easier to score once then twice.

droopdog7 · Sep 21, 2020

Cowboy4ever said:
Yes I do. But that doesn't automatically mean they would have missed it later. I don't make that assumption. Who knows what happens. My guess is if they didn't need two scores, they would have run the ball more, maybe softening up the D on the last drive, and maybe that is just enough of a difference to get that play in. Or maybe they call a completely different play later than they call then, who knows. All I do I know is that I like my odds a lot better getting the 2 pt play to tie than the onside kick to win.

Well what kind of argument is that? Under my scenario we already missed the conversion and under yours you still have a chance to make it. Um, okay.

I'll take going back in time for $500 Alex.

droopdog7 · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Then how come everyone else kicks the extra point?

Because its easier to score once then twice.

Can you stop with this scoring once or twice bs. That has nothing to do with the discussion.

DOUBLE WING · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Sure beats an onsides kick doesnt it?

If you kick an XP after the first TD, and fail the 2 point conversion after the second one you still have to attempt an onside kick, so what difference does it make? What part of this are you not understanding?

mkindred · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Sure beats an onsides kick doesnt it?

You do realize if we played the scenario exactly like you are saying - we would have chewed up as much clock as possible before scoring and going for the 2 point conversion. At that point, if we failed, we would have been out of time and lost. Going for the 2 earlier and failing at least let us know exactly what we were up against.

Don’t get me wrong - those fake punts and going for 4th last week have me infuriated, however, the right decision was made there. However I’m a data guy so it makes complete sense to me..

Uncle_Hank · Sep 21, 2020

Criticizing McCarthy is like saying you're less likely to run out of gas if you wait until the last second to fill up, knowing that some stations along your route are likely to be sold out. There's no advantage to waiting. The longer you go, the more likely you are to run out of gas before you get to the last possible station, so you might as well stop the first chance you get. Likewise, you have to go for two at some point either way, but if you miss at the end you might be screwed.

droopdog7 · Sep 21, 2020

mkindred said:
You do realize if we played the scenario exactly like you are saying - we would have chewed up as much clock as possible before scoring and going for the 2 point conversion. At that point, if we failed, we would have been out of time and lost. Going for the 2 earlier and failing at least let us know exactly what we were up against.

Don’t get me wrong - those fake punts and going for 4th last week have me infuriated, however, the right decision was made there. However I’m a data guy so it makes complete sense to me..

You know, being a data guy really has little to do with either. Just have to be able reason.

Cowboy4ever · Sep 21, 2020

droopdog7 said:
Well what kind of argument is that? Under my scenario we already missed the conversion and under yours you still have a chance to make it. Um, okay.

I'll take going back in time for $500 Alex.

Basically for your logic to really be sound, you have to assume they miss the 2 pt conversion later. You are drawing that conclusion because they missed it earlier. I don't draw the same conclusion because it has no correlation, just because they missed it then doesn't automatically mean they miss it later. Lots of things could have happened to change the outcome. I didn't like the call then and I don't like it now, even with the explanation. Nothing is going to change that. I am super happy it worked out but nothing is going to ever convince me it was the right call. We got lucky, period.

lostar2009 · Sep 21, 2020

I don't think its a bad call. At that point the Cowboys needed two TD's and one 2 PT. You make the call now or later but it was needed at some point in the game. Not sure why ppl are bashing MM on it. If anything those fake punts was horrible.

Uncle_Hank · Sep 21, 2020

Cowboy4ever said:
Basically for your logic to really be sound, you have to assume they miss the 2 pt conversion later. You are drawing that conclusion because they missed it earlier. I don't draw the same conclusion because it has no correlation, just because they missed it then doesn't automatically mean they miss it later. Lots of things could have happened to change the outcome. I didn't like the call then and I don't like it now, even with the explanation. Nothing is going to change that. I am super happy it worked out but nothing is going to ever convince me it was the right call. We got lucky, period.

You don't have to assume anything. It's about a 50/50 probability. If you miss it, would you rather miss the two point conversion with time on the clock or not? This really isn't hard.

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

droopdog7 said:
Can you stop with this scoring once or twice bs. That has nothing to do with the discussion.

oh yah, nothing to do with it. LOL

None of you can answer my simple question. If going for two like that is the obvious thing to do then why does no one do it?

Waiting.....……………………………………………...

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

DOUBLE WING said:
If you kick an XP after the first TD, and fail the 2 point conversion after the second one you still have to attempt an onside kick, so what difference does it make? What part of this are you not understanding?

How many points can you get in one score? 8 or 9?

When you figure that out, then ask yourself...……...with limited time left would you rather be down 8 or 9?

Uncle_Hank · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
How many points can you get in one score? 8 or 9?

When you figure that out, then ask yourself...……...with limited time left would you rather be down 8 or 9?

If you make the conversion, you're only down 7. Would you rather be down by 8 or by 7?

Keithfansince5 · Sep 21, 2020

droopdog7 said:
The American educational system ladies and gentleman. We're clearly in need of help.

Yep, start with your inability to comprehend what you read.

Jay · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
How many points can you get in one score? 8 or 9?

When you figure that out, then ask yourself...……...with limited time left would you rather be down 8 or 9?

You can argue this until you’re red in the face but your logic is severely, severely flawed.

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

mkindred said:
You do realize if we played the scenario exactly like you are saying - we would have chewed up as much clock as possible before scoring and going for the 2 point conversion. At that point, if we failed, we would have been out of time and lost. Going for the 2 earlier and failing at least let us know exactly what we were up against.

Don’t get me wrong - those fake punts and going for 4th last week have me infuriated, however, the right decision was made there. However I’m a data guy so it makes complete sense to me..

LOL...…...yah, but if we make it we don't lose. Whats easier, scoring once and making a 2 or scoring twice with little time left? Easy stuff. Its why everyone goes for the 1 and not the 2.

Uncle_Hank · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
LOL...…...yah, but if we make it we don't lose. Whats easier, scoring once and making a 2 or scoring twice with little time left? Easy stuff. Its why everyone goes for the 1 and not the 2.

Would you rather have to kick an extra point at the end of the game with no time left or go for two?

droopdog7 · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
oh yah, nothing to do with it. LOL

None of you can answer my simple question. If going for two like that is the obvious thing to do then why does no one do it?

Waiting.....……………………………………………...

Just because you say everyone does it doesn't make it true now does it.

MM explains his thought process of going for 2

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